Woolwich Attack (split from WGYG thread)

[techfreak]

VWAF doesn't tolerate intolerance! Shouldn't we all be doing more than posting on vwaf? That's not going to change much is it? Don't we all need to be writing to our mps etc?

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I don't get this Doc? Are you saying my post was intolerant?

[techfreak]

I can wright to Bob Russel who I know in person but what?I know him as a helpful person not just an MP.[/QUOTE]

I guess the first thing is to figure out what we want and how we want to achieve this.

Then it would make sense to put political pressure on those in charge to implement change...

I needs to start from the top down, laws, legislation etc

[Doctle Odd]

Of course there are moderate Muslims Gup same as there are nut-bag fundamentalist Christians. I'm just giving my 2 bobs worth as a practicing agnostic on how I see things. My doctor is a Muslim, my optician is a Siek I think. My point remains accurate I believe we are not talking about educated professional people. The extremists are as a rule uneducated whether from they're tribesmen from Afghanistan or or slack jawed yokels from Alabama.

Is their no moderate Muslim? are there no Muslim doctors, nurses, policemen, etc doing good? are you saying sorry if your Muslim you can't be a part of the UK?



Great post TechFreak , glad you joined the thread ... this has been crossing my mind ...

[Doctle Odd]

No mate it was a pun. I have zero input into the finer points of this site and what they do or don't tolerate. It just struck me as funny that being intolerant of intolerance is in fact intolerant, and the wheel turns....

I don't get this Doc? Are you saying my post was intolerant?[/QUOTE]

[gupsterg]

My grandfather was Indian/Punjabi but he was from the time when India and Pakistan was together ... he could not read/write in Punjabi but only Urdu ... many a time he told me stories of his childhood and how he had a Muslim nanny ... he wanted us to visit Pakistan and to show where he grew up ...

So will I be condemned for having a family history linked to Pakistan, a Muslim state?

Of course there are moderate Muslims Gup same as there are nut-bag fundamentalist Christians. I'm just giving my 2 bobs worth as a practicing agnostic on how I see things. My doctor is a Muslim, my optician is a Siek I think. My point remains accurate I believe we are not talking about educated professional people. The extremists are as a rule uneducated whether from they're tribesmen from Afghanistan or or slack jawed yokels from Alabama.

Thanks for posting this mate ...

[DSG4ME]

I don`t lol Sikhs allowed to wear turbines

I'm sure there's a pretty funny picture somewhere on the net of an Indian with a jet engine on his head

Turbans

[Doctle Odd]

Gup, when I started reading your posts and the detail and lengths you go to I was quite impressed I thought you were German, not a nation I'm over enamored with but I liked you as an individual. I know now you're not German you're Gupsterg and I don't give a rodents rectum where you're from I still like you

My grandfather was Indian/Punjabi but he was from the time when India and Pakistan was together ... he could not read/write in Punjabi but only Urdu ... many a time he told me stories of his childhood and how he had a Muslim nanny ... he wanted us to visit Pakistan and to show where he grew up ...

So will I be condemned for having a family history linked to Pakistan, a Muslim state?

[Brycie]

Hop into a time machine and go back to the crusades. Christianity was militantly fighting militant Muslims.Each side was convinced they were right one side saw the other as barbarians, the other side saw the enemy as infidels. Hop back into your time machine and come back to the UK in 2013. There are many more Christians than there were during the crusades yet their mindset has changed. The bible has been read, analysed, translated and reinterpreted. Take another short spin to the middle east. Again there are more Muslims than there were during the crusades yet the Qur'an remains the same. The mindset has changed little, nobody can question the Qur'an without coming to a sticky and nasty end. No debate is tolerated, other faiths are suppressed, discriminated against or totally banned. Which group could you negotiate with, where will reason, logic and compromise triumph? I think I know the answer ....

Doc, that's the first post (on the other side of the fence from me) in this entire thread which actually comes across as well thought out logic rather than just anti-islamic ignorance. However I went to school with sections of Christian society who had to leave school assembly because they couldn't take part in mainstream Christian hymns & they weren't allowed to use any technology etc. So there ARE sections of Christianity that haven't moved on at all. In fact I was offered a job interview with a company which was owned by people from a certain section of Christianity that wouldn't let me have a radio in my company car, expected me to start work at 6am, didn't allow drinking at company Christmas functions etc. I now work for a company owned by Muslims & you wouldn't know the difference between the way they do things & the way any other western company does things (I can have a beer with them etc). One of the Directors is a woman. In fact some Muslim countries have had women leaders & they don't all wear full burkhas in Muslim countries, so just as there is sections of Muslim culture that is very orthodox, there are also sections of Christianity that are very orthodox. You just can't discriminate & generalise an entire race/religion as all being the same.

[DSG4ME]

I thought you were German, not a nation I'm over enamored with but

Just likes their cars eh

[gupsterg]

I don't give a rodents rectum where you're from I still like you

Thank you mate ... I know you did not post the links to the EDL but for me each time a poster agrees with the viewpoint within it I wanna know what they essentially agree about it ...

For me groups like the EDL/BNP stand for a lot more than they publicly admit, just like the mirror groups of them ...