Engine Workshop/Glow Plug Symbol Flashing/Car Won't Start

[nick.king]

Had an issue 3 times in just over a week where my 2007 B6 Passat won't start, it's a 2.0 170bhp diesel sport estate with 113k on the clock and a full dealer service history.

I put the key in, wait a few seconds until the glow plug light goes off then start the engine. It starts then immediately cuts out, the dash makes a binging noise, the glow plug symbol starts to flash and engine workshop appears on the display.

If I try and start the car immediately afterwards it won't even turn over.

If I remove the key and wait 30-60 seconds and retry it starts first time (or it has the 3 times it's happened so far).

I don't have vag-com so I can't check the error codes, I've read a few posts about a possible issue with the brake light switch? I've checked my brake lights and they are fully working.

Any ideas before I take it in to the dealer?

[DSG4ME]

Sounds like the ign key ecu fault tbh, brace yourself for a £350 repair.

[nick.king]

Sounds like the ign key ecu fault tbh, brace yourself for a £350 repair.

Brilliant!

Just had to move my car at work and it took 3 attempts to start. Started fine this morning before work though.

I better get it taken in I guess.

[nick.king]

Just taken it in to a garage near work who uses our garage software, he's plugged it in for me and got the following

05488 Unknown Component - Implausible Signal

I've googled it back in the office as the garages internet was down and came across this - 17978/P1570/005488 - Ross-Tech Wiki (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/17978/P1570/005488)

It sounds the same as what I'm experiencing

Possible Symptoms
Engine starting but stalling immediately

I did swap the key to the spare (brand new never used) about 6 weeks ago as the original wasn't opening the central locking (although it did unlock the boot and lock the doors and start the car), the problem I'm experiencing only started in the last week though so not sure if it's related.

Any help appreciated.

[DSG4ME]

It's not the key it's the contact surface inside the dash hole, some have managed to diy it but I wouldn't recommend it, VW dealers now replace the broken bits rather than the whole steering column and that brings the cost down from a Rio to about £350

[nick.king]

It's not the key it's the contact surface inside the dash hole, some have managed to diy it but I wouldn't recommend it, VW dealers now replace the broken bits rather than the whole steering column and that brings the cost down from a Rio to about £350

I've got someone hooking it up to VCDS/VAG-COM tomorrow to confirm my worst fears :(

Many thanks for your input.

Nick.

[DSG4ME]

I've got someone hooking it up to VCDS/VAG-COM tomorrow to confirm my worst fears :(

Many thanks for your input.

Nick.

Well keep fingers crossed that it's not that, it could be a couple of glow plugs gone down or the relay, if so the plugs are £23 each at GSF for NGK ones or £12 each for unbranded, the jist of things I've read says buy NGK ones, the relay is anything from £20 - £60 depending on if it's a eBay one or a dealer one, again I'd harbour on getting the real McCoy in this case, let us know anyway and lets hope it's the cheaper fix.

[nick.king]

VCDS Version: Release 805.0
Data version: 20080529
Thursday,23,May,2013,12:53:40:10074
Chassis Type: 3C0
Scan: 01 03 04 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 37 42 44 46 52 53 56 62 72
VIN: WVWZZZ3CZ8E047695 Mileage: 183100km/113773miles
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: Malfunction 0010
37-Navigation -- Status: Not registered 0001
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door,Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 03G 906 018 AS HW: 03G 906 018 AS
Component: R4 2.0l PPD1.2 G 9971
Revision: --H42--- Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0000072
Shop #: WSC 00450 210 69121
1 Fault Found:
005488 - Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
P1570 - 008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 37
Mileage: 183066 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.05.22
Time: 18:14:41
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Torque: 0.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
0.00 %
Voltage: 12.20 V
Bin. Bits: 00011001
Bin. Bits: 00000000
Readiness: N/A
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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: None
Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 C HW: 3C0 614 109 C
Component: J104 C4 440 V1 0003
Revision: --020--- Serial number: 00000775802769
Coding: 0001306
Shop #: WSC 00722 210 72178
No fault code found.
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 BT HW: 3C0 907 044 BT
Component: ClimatronicPQ46 122 0707
Revision: 00122021 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AJ HW: 3C0 937 049 AJ
Component: Bordnetz-SG H54 2202
Revision: 00H54000 Serial number: 01000007317217
Coding: F1880F0700041A00470A00000F00000000095D433200010000 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 05124 000 00000
Part No: 3C2 955 119 B
Component: Wischer 090707 022 0601
Coding: 00046997
Shop #: WSC 05124
Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB
Component: RLS 170707 020 0105
Coding: 00208933
Shop #: WSC 05124
No fault code found.
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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 M HW: 3C0 909 605 M
Component: 0C AIRBAG VW8 032 2522
Revision: 12032000 Serial number: 003B1PDZ1H5P
Coding: 0012355
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 K HW: 3C0 953 549 K
Component: J0527 0015
Revision: 00006000 Serial number: 3C9953507AE
Coding: 0000114
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 HW: 3C0 920 971
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 1614
Revision: V0007000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0007405
Shop #: WSC 42799 000 1048576
No fault code found.
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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 3C0-907-530.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 E HW: 3C0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H10 0080
Revision: H10 Serial number: 1200P0771006E1
Coding: F9807F060002022003
Shop #: WSC 00722 210 89853
1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 162
Mileage: 169682 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.08.24
Time: 16:20:04

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: IMMO 042 0383
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 00450 210 69121
Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
Component: ELV 027 0380
3C0905861G ELV 027 0380
1 Fault Found:
02811 - Control Module for Electronic Steering Column Lock (J764)
014 - Defective - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101110
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 6
Reset counter: 45
Mileage: 182660 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.05.15
Time: 12:57:02

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Address 37: Navigation (J0506) Labels: 1T0-035-680.lbl
Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 C HW: 1Z0 035 680 A
Component: RNS-MID H04 2680
Revision: AB001001 Serial number: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Coding: 080004000400000200
Shop #: WSC 00722 210 89853
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P HW: 1K0 959 793 L
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1132
Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000129178709
Coding: 0000693
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x.lbl
Part No: 1K2 909 144 M
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.135 H08 1901
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
No fault code found.
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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: KSG PQ46 ELV 042 0472
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 1991020051030E7630041C1D70085FCE107C40
Shop #: WSC 00450 210 69121
Part No: 1K0 951 605 D
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H07 9001
Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
Component: Neigungssensor 004 0611
Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611
No fault code found.
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P HW: 1K0 959 792 L
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1132
Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000524878707
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 5N0-907-801.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 907 801 J HW: 3C0 907 801 J
Component: J540 EPB3 VW-09393 0009
Revision: 008 Serial number: 00000000088695
Coding: 0000057
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio (J0506) Labels: 1T0-035-680.lbl
Part No SW: 1T0 035 680 C HW: 1Z0 035 680 A
Component: RNS-MID H04 2680
Revision: AB001001 Serial number: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Coding: 080004000400000200
Shop #: WSC 00722 210 89853
No fault code found.
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Address 62: Door,Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 P HW: 1K0 959 795 G
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1119
Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000002036807
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 P HW: 1K0 959 794 G
Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1119
Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000002041763
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
No fault code found.
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Again any help advice much appreciated.

Nick.

[DSG4ME]

02811 - Control Module for Electronic Steering Column (http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_nkw=steering+column) Lock (J764)

01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded

Two classic indications the steering column/key barrel is dying, all the other immobiliser faults are normal if this happens they will clear once the steering is fixed, it's default is to shut the car down when the code pops up.


You may be able to try re-coding the keys but I think it will be the lock has gone dirty and tired.

[nick.king]

Thanks again, is this the right way to re-code the keys?

If your code is lost you will have to reprogram the fob. On the 2006 Passat, maybe the same on the 2007, you must pry the cover off of the manual key slot. Observe from the bottom there is a slot. Place the key in the slot, at the same time pry from the bottom and the whole cap will come off revealing the keyhole. With a good fob put power to the car but do not start the engine. With a manual key, lock the door. Now press the fob you are trying to train twice. It should take the code.

Unlock the door, remove the good fob and test the new fob. It should work.,

[RichardSEL]

AFAIK that method will work on a fob that's previously been trained for that vehicle. Not a blank. Nor a fob that's previously been coded for another vehicle.
Havn't tried it myself but saved a similar description in case needed

[martin1810]

There is nothing wrong with the keys. You need a new steering lock. Take it to VW and get a new one fitted. You can DIY it if you are up to it but it isn't easy. See details here:B6 STEERING FAULT - PASSAT (https://sites.google.com/site/1810martin/b6-steering-fault)

[Quatrelle]

.......... Now press the fob you are trying to train twice. It should take the code.

Press which part of the fob?

[DSG4ME]

iirc you need VCDS to program keys, gone are the days of the self learner keys

Nick, how long since you changed the fob batteries?

If it's a long time or never it's possible it's just dead batteries causing it, I think it will be the lock though given the history of lock fails these cars have had, worth a try for a packet of watch batteries though.

[RichardSEL]

AFAICR the battery is a CR2032, same as found in older PCs' BIOS as a keep alive cell. Maplins do them.
Both my fobs are over seven years old, havn't changed either battery. One fob's in daily use

Couldn't find anything on Ross-Tech's VCDS Wiki except for Generation 3 Golf. Could this be an urban myth?

[nick.king]

There is nothing wrong with the keys. You need a new steering lock. Take it to VW and get a new one fitted. You can DIY it if you are up to it but it isn't easy. See details here:B6 STEERING FAULT - PASSAT (https://sites.google.com/site/1810martin/b6-steering-fault)

I've spoken to VW customer services, they've given me a reference number to take to the dealer. They need to run their own scan and then speak to customer services about getting part/all of it paid for so fingers crossed on that.

[nick.king]

Dealer quoting £709, on the phone to customer services right now......

[martin1810]

If it is the steering lock the dealer price should be just over £300 fitted.

[nick.king]

I'm told steering column and control unit.... oh and my tyres, and my brakes, and my discs (all the standard dealer things they recommend are done at the same time).

VW customer services promised to call me back first thing in the morning, funnily enough the problem hasn't happened since Monday 27th May and I've started the car over 30 times since.

[martin1810]

This fault is often temperature dependent. Gets worse in the cold. You may be ok all summer!! now. I'm surprised they think the steering controller is faulty as well. It is usually just the lock although the controllers do fail too. The steering lock is only £75 but is fiddly to fit and only VW can code it to the car.

[DSG4ME]

I'm told steering column and control unit.... oh and my tyres, and my brakes, and my discs (all the standard dealer things they recommend are done at the same time).

VW customer services promised to call me back first thing in the morning, funnily enough the problem hasn't happened since Monday 27th May and I've started the car over 30 times since.

Nick it's always a bad sign when you ask for one thing and the dealer offers you other work, have a look at your brakes and tyres and see for yourself if they are after work or simply need doing, a disc can have a lip on it to a degree so simply because you can feel a slight edge doesn't mean you need new discs.

[nick.king]

Nick it's always a bad sign when you ask for one thing and the dealer offers you other work, have a look at your brakes and tyres and see for yourself if they are after work or simply need doing, a disc can have a lip on it to a degree so simply because you can feel a slight edge doesn't mean you need new discs.

The tyres need doing and it's booked in today for that.

Discs/pads looks fine but I'll check when they are doing the tyres.

In other news, VW Customer Services have offered to pay 70% of the cost of the repair :)

[DSG4ME]

The tyres need doing and it's booked in today for that.

Discs/pads looks fine but I'll check when they are doing the tyres.

In other news, VW Customer Services have offered to pay 70% of the cost of the repair :)

Well that's better news.