Roll on July the 1st SMOKING BAN

[bora(ing) nick]

I cant wait.... (non-smoker)

People smoking during the day doesn't bother me....

It's when you come in from a night out and your clothes stink, and then when i brush my teeth and cough up a lung because of everybody elses second hand smoke...

I went to North Wales recently (where the ban is already in place) on a "spur of the moment" night out with friends.... we were all out from around 9pm til 4am when we returned back to my mates caravan...

The next day i woke up smelling fresh as a daisy... no smokey hair... no bad breath (apart from the fury tongue due to ale) and my clothes smelt fine.

It's a good thing, many smokers i know are now aiming to quit before the 1st of july... going for a cig in the persisting rain can't seem appealing to anyone!

Nick

[Eshrules]

cant come soon enough for me... i too hate that smell the amount of times ive come home coughing and spluttering and the morning after is even worse. i suffer from very mild asthma, so its a god send for the likes of me, being able to sup a pint without having smoke blown in your face will be lovely.

im struggling to see how they will enforce it though

[gazza57]

cant come soon enough for me... i too hate that smell the amount of times ive come home coughing and spluttering and the morning after is even worse. i suffer from very mild asthma, so its a god send for the likes of me, being able to sup a pint without having smoke blown in your face will be lovely.

im struggling to see how they will enforce it though

That's a concern for me too ESH, In Ireland they fine the pub landlord 3000 euros if somebody is found smoking on their premises. I understand too that a £2000 fine will be imposed on landlords here as well.
Unfortunately, uniquely we have a fraction of the population with the "An Englishman's home is his Castle" mentality who are determined to stick two fingers up to any law they don't like.
The test will be how the authorities handle the first couple of hundred transgressors. If they are tough we can keep this ban enforced, however if they are watery, people will just ignore the ban and things will continue unchanged.
Gazza 57

[The Muts Nuts]

im struggling to see how they will enforce it though

They enforce it very easily. A fellow worker at my firm was driving along minding his own business smoking a cig. He didnt realise he was being followed by CID and got a £70 fine direct to the company, the first he knew about it was when he got a call from the boss demanding an explanation.

I dont get this country, they want it to be smoke free ect but what happens if we all quit smoking, where do you think they will get there MILLIONS of pounds a year from cigs?

Good idea, wrong way of doing it. Im a smoker too by the way and dont care, i work out-doors with 1 other person who also smokes so it wont affect me, and pubs have non-smoking sections as it is.

[gazza57]

Muts Nuts,
You say a fellow worker was minding his own business driving along and was spotted by CID and ticketed to his firm for £70.
As the law stands, there is no ban on smoking in a car, so on what basis did the CID issue a ticket?
Are you suggesting the law just drives around looking to see somebody having a fag in their car and calls up their details and sends a ticket?
I've had a ticket for a road traffic offence and the ticket sent to your boss will have the offence for which the ticket was issued.
There is a fixed penalty for littering, so if like many smokers, your fellow worker lobbed his dog end out of the window whilst driving then that's why he got ticketed.
The argument to continue allowing people to smoke in public places on the basis that smokers provide a valuable source of revenue for the government is invalid.
No doubt taxes will rise as the government will seek to replace the lost revenue.
Smoke if you want to, it's your right to do so, smoke at home, in your car in other peoples homes if you want, smoke outside that's fine too, but just as you have the right to smoke, others have the right not to do so.
And sadly the fact that you don't care is all too evident of the selfish "Pull up the rope, I'm alright Jack " attitude that is all too common nowadays.
Gazza 57

[Niklock]

Muts Nuts,
You say a fellow worker was minding his own business driving along and was spotted by CID and ticketed to his firm for £70.
As the law stands, there is no ban on smoking in a car, so on what basis did the CID issue a ticket?
Are you suggesting the law just drives around looking to see somebody having a fag in their car and calls up their details and sends a ticket?
I've had a ticket for a road traffic offence and the ticket sent to your boss will have the offence for which the ticket was issued.
There is a fixed penalty for littering, so if like many smokers, your fellow worker lobbed his dog end out of the window whilst driving then that's why he got ticketed.
The argument to continue allowing people to smoke in public places on the basis that smokers provide a valuable source of revenue for the government is invalid.
No doubt taxes will rise as the government will seek to replace the lost revenue.
Smoke if you want to, it's your right to do so, smoke at home, in your car in other peoples homes if you want, smoke outside that's fine too, but just as you have the right to smoke, others have the right not to do so.
And sadly the fact that you don't care is all too evident of the selfish "Pull up the rope, I'm alright Jack " attitude that is all too common nowadays.
Gazza 57

It is illegal to smoke in work transport, but not in private transport i can see a lot of problems with, private van owners being nicked for taking a go-kart to their local track, or a jet ski to the beach...

[gazza57]

Thanks for that Niklock, I wasn't aware of that, perhaps this guy was driving a marked firm's car and that's why he was ticketed, I suppose the premise is that there may be others who will have to share that transport and this law is to protect them from the effects of passive smoking.
It's difficult to see how the CID would know otherwise that the car was a commercial vehicle and not a private one.
Also what about an owner operator, are you saying that if you're the sole owner and operator of a commercial vehicle that you get a ticket for having a fag in it on your own?
Gazza57

[gazza57]

Muts Nuts
I know giving up is not just hard, it's really really hard, my dad smoked from 14 to 67 years old, he gave it up and it's as hard to kick as any other drug, in fact it's as addictive as heroin.
Sadly my dad giving up came too late to save him, he died 2 months ago he suffered many lung related ailments including Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease (COPD) directly attributable to smoking and in less then 20 months reduced him from a lively bright 5 foot 10 inch 11 stone bloke to a frail 6 and a half stone skeleton.
That's why I feel so strongly in favour of the smoking ban.Unfortunately also I grew up in a house where both my parents smoked so perhaps I'm due for some of that, who knows.
As far as the rest of it goes, you strike me as a person unhappy with this country in general, not just about smoking in particular. The rest of the world is not much different there are plenty of people everywhere on the planet that will rip you off one way or the other given the chance.
The Uk is not perfect I'll grant you, but then neither is anywhere else.
Gazza 57

[buster]

It is illegal to smoke in work transport, but not in private transport i can see a lot of problems with, private van owners being nicked for taking a go-kart to their local track, or a jet ski to the beach...

It is only illegal to smoke in a company vehicle if you carry passengers or other people regularly use the vehicle. If you are the sole user, you can smoke.

I have company vehicles and have talked to their helpline, as I was unsure about the mechanic scenario, i.e. If you are the only user, but you have your car serviced, the fact that a mecanic has to drive the vehicle should make it illegal for anyone to smoke in it. According to the helpline, it is ok to smoke if others users, including servicing staff, only use it very infrequently.

I do wonder how councils will look at it though, especially if they get to keep the revenue from the fines.

[Captain Answer]

I don't really care either way, but it probably will stop me having one while i'm out at the weekend