GTD Delivery Dates

[Gerryf]

Automatic/DSG drivers are generally invalids, I have nothing against invalids they are just easier to drive for them. There used to be a 4% slip in transmission with automatic gearboxes though they have overcome this with the torque convertor lockup, thats why they show a worse fuel economy. I've seen a number of GTI owners with DSG and I wonder why.

The VW DSG as obviously improved as a friend's father at work has a Skoda Octavia 2.0. TDI (140PS) with DSG and he gets better fuel con than my friends Seat Leon 1.9 TDI (150PS). Skoda - 64 mpg, Seat 54 mpg which are both better then mine.

These are my thoughts as everyone has there own opinion.

I really didn't expect such a response.

[jjh]

Automatic/DSG drivers are generally invalids, I have nothing against invalids they are just easier to drive for them. There used to be a 4% slip in transmission with automatic gearboxes though they have overcome this with the torque convertor lockup, thats why they show a worse fuel economy. I've seen a number of GTI owners with DSG and I wonder why.

The VW DSG as obviously improved as a friend's father at work has a Skoda Octavia 2.0. TDI (140PS) with DSG and he gets better fuel con than my friends Seat Leon 1.9 TDI (150PS). Skoda - 64 mpg, Seat 54 mpg which are both better then mine.

These are my thoughts as everyone has there own opinion.

Keith, have you driven a car with a DSG box? I assume not because you would have nothing but repsect for the DSG.

The new DGS's are actually turning better fuel economy than manual so you want to get your facts straight before forming such a stern opinion of something you really dont know about?

this might be of interest..a worrying trend for manual lovers..
http://www.dailytech.com/91+Percent+...ticle18854.htm
it seems there is a worrying increase of invalids..........

each to their own though..all the best..

[vc-10]

The DSG isn't an automatic. It has a proper 'clutch' system instead of a torque converter and switches between 2 automated 'manual' gearboxes.
The wiki page explains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

The DSG gearbox gives a theoretical efficiency only slightly less than a 'proper' gearbox, as it saps some power in actual changing of the gears and the fact that it is heavier. However, unlike a conventional automatic, there is a direct link between the wheels and the output shaft on the engine, with no torque converters in sight!

[Vincent Vega]

I really didn't expect such a response.

This is the internet. What do you expect? Informed, reasoned opinions by sane and rational people? Keith's response speaks more about him than DSG drivers. And not in a positive way, either.

It is nice, though, that Keith doesn't have anything against invalids. Are other groups as fortunate? Blacks? Muslims? Gays? Women? Single parents?

What unfortunate wording. Really, try and think before you post, as you just end up looking foolish[*]. Or just keep your warped views to yourself.
[*] Euphemism.

[Berisford]

You have to laugh at the old chestnut, fuel economy, when people talk of automatics.

To spend £20-25k on a motor and worry about a little bit of fuel...............

I've bought autos for about 25 years now, even my vans are / have been automatics. Once you've lived with an auto for a few miles you soon see how it's an agreeable way to drive.

However, the so called 'automated clutch' boxes as fitted to many small motors (Toyota, Vauxhall, Honda etc) are just a pile of junk, why they all haven't taken a look at / copied VW's DSG box is anyone’s guess.

I'm waiting on a 1.6DSG and all this reporting of long delays has got me a little worried about my projected October delivery date.

[jjh]

You have to laugh at the old chestnut, fuel economy, when people talk of automatics.

To spend £20-25k on a motor and worry about a little bit of fuel...............

I've bought autos for about 25 years now, even my vans are / have been automatics. Once you've lived with an auto for a few miles you soon see how it's an agreeable way to drive.

However, the so called 'automated clutch' boxes as fitted to many small motors (Toyota, Vauxhall, Honda etc) are just a pile of junk, why they all haven't taken a look at / copied VW's DSG box is anyone’s guess.

I'm waiting on a 1.6DSG and all this reporting of long delays has got me a little worried about my projected October delivery date.

I'd say its because of something called Patent Law and VAG decision to keep the technology within the Group and will undoubtedly have firm contractual agreement with the supply partner who own some if not all of the interlectual rights of the technology.

For the rest of it, I'd could agree more...people should start referring to DSG boxes as Automated not Automatic. To group them displays ignorance.

[Keithuk]

I knew it was a bad point to give my opinion on DSG gearboxes as I knew it would stir a load of s**t which its done. You guys know more than me on the mechanical operations of vehicles.

The DSG isn't an automatic. It has a proper 'clutch' system instead of a torque converter and switches between 2 automated 'manual' gearboxes.

However, unlike a conventional automatic, there is a direct link between the wheels and the output shaft on the engine, with no torque converters in sight!

Not according to the notes that I have on Audi 6-speed DSG gearbox 09G. I also have the VW 6-speed DSG gearbox 09D as used on the Touareg

It doesn't have a proper clutch it has a torque converter in both gearboxes. The only mention of the clutch is in the convertor lock-up.

You are quite correct I've never driven a car with a DSG gearbox and I'm not going too either. I was going to add a comment in the first post about DSG drivers apart from being an invalid is that they don't like driving. You will have to wait a long time for the fully automatic car where you just get in programme you destination on the sat nav and it takes you there ALL automatically.

Actually I don't think our comments are fair to the original poster as he's just telling when he's expecting his GTD. If you want a DSG argument then I suggest you make a new topic.

[jjh]

Automatic/DSG drivers are generally invalids,
(That's an outragous statement to make and highly inaccurate and offensive, tut tut!.) I have nothing against invalids, (yeah sounds like it, you lack respect in my opinion)..they are just easier to drive for them. There used to be a 4% slip in transmission with automatic gearboxes though they have overcome this with the torque convertor lockup, what has that got to do with anything? thats why they show a worse fuel economy not true, get your facts straight. I've seen a number of GTI owners with DSG and I wonder why. So, why not try one before completely rubbishing what clearly many drivers prefer? are you not even tempted to try one? so you can form a proper opinion? Otherwise you just dont know what your talking about.


The VW DSG has obviously improved of course they have, that surely cant be surprising, if is to be expected...as a friend's father at work has a Skoda Octavia 2.0. TDI (140PS) with DSG and he gets better fuel con than my friends Seat Leon 1.9 TDI (150PS). Skoda - 64 mpg, Seat 54 mpg which are both better then mine.

These are my thoughts as everyone has there own opinion.

Having an opinion should always be encouraged but it really helps if you know what your talking about and you my friend clearly dont.


You wrote ''Actually I don't think our comments are fair to the original poster as he's just telling when he's expecting his GTD.
(But it is your inaccuracy that brought the posts, you really need to get your facts straight before posting)
If you want a DSG argument then I suggest you make a new topic...

No one wants an agreement, if you have a problem with people who feel the need to correct mis-information, its your not ours.

[Keithuk]

Having an opinion should always be encouraged but it really helps if you know what your talking about and you my friend clearly dont.

No one wants an agreement, if you have a problem with people who feel the need to correct mis-information, its your not ours.

All info that I post is correct. Just because you read something on the web doesn't make you an expert, thats if you believe what you read.

What makes you the mechanical genius? There is nothing in your profile.

[jjh]

All info that I post is correct. Just because you read something on the web doesn't make you an expert, thats if you believe what you read.

What makes you the mechanical genius? There is nothing in your profile.

All the info you post is not correct. You state that DSG is less economical than a manual and DSG owners are generally invalids; that's bullshiit, you seem to have a inability to accept the truth, its as though you are deluded by your own ignorance. Even when you are corrected you ignore it, you dont even comment, you see only what suites you and you should know better in your line of work...

Obviously 'just because you read something on the web doesnt make you an expert' , No shhit sherlock..
Where do I imply that I am a mechanical genius? Would it take a mechanical genius to comment here before you could stand corrected?

Try reading this...you'll probably doubt the source and the contents though...maybe there's typos all through the article...yeah you know best..
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/dsg

BTW, there's nothing in your profile that warns people that you are a genius typest, of bullsh.... Stanier.