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  1. Disaster - been told I need a new engine - help! 
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    Story so far... Bought 06 1.6 FSI a month ago with the common ABS unit fault, got money knocked off for cost of repairing this, but also stupidly signed my rights away buying it sold as seen with no comeback. Then after we got it home the emissions warning light also came on...


    Got ABS unit replaced, 50% goodwill from VAG - thought great, everything sorted. But the emissions light came back on, so back to VW who thought it just needed a new sensor. On closer inspection, engine only getting 50% the oil it needs - told we need new oil pump - 400-500 quid quoted, ok we can just about deal with that.



    They took off the front of the engine & found the "big end bearings" are nackered - they say there was no pint going further in as the damage to other parts was likely to be as bad & that the only way to repair it is to have a whole new engine - costing 4k!!! At that point I just burst into tears.



    I am a girl who knows nothing about cars, but it seems crazy to me that they can't replace these bearings & any other damaged parts for less cost to me?? We simply don't have 4 grand right now. They reckon in the past the car's been driven with no oil & that's caused the problem. But it has full VW service history, just one was 2000 miles overdue, so could this really be the cause??


    Gutted is not the word. Can anyone help me out with any advice please? Just don't know what to do but am thinking of finding a garage that specilaises in engines to get a second opnion - does anyone know of anywhere I could go in the Maidstone, Kent area??


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  2. Re: Disaster - been told I need a new engine - help! 
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    Ok, I'm by no means an expert, I'm sure some of the other guys on here can give better advice than I, but as first on the scene and whatnot...

    Firstly, is it a VW dealer? If it is I'd guess you could get a considerably cheaper quote elsewhere, but you need to be comfortable with it.

    Secondly, a second opinion, when we're talking this much money is, in my opinion, essential. One mechanics nightmare might be anothers' easy solution. It might not be, but when you're talking about that much money, it's well worth checking it out!

    Sadly, lack of oil will do one heck of a lot of damage.

    I wonder whether you can argue that VW didn't check it over thoroughly enough before selling it. I know you said you have no recourse, but given the circumstances, it might be worth a shot.

    Seems odd to me that such a young car has such a bad problem, what's the mileage on the car?

    I've got a colleague who lives not too far from you, so I'll try asking him about local garages tomorrow.

    Best of luck!
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    Just reading your post beabea, it's not clear where you bought the car from? Was it a private sale?
     
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    Thanks - I bought the car from an independent garage, but I bought it sold as seen. I bought it knowing about the common ABS unit fault & had money knocked off accordingly, but because of this, the dealer sold it to me as seen, with no warranty or comeback.

    I booked it straight in to the VW main dealer near me to replace the ABS unit & was lucky enough to get 50% goodwill on this. I thought I had a great deal on the car at that point, but when the emissions light stayed on and I took the car back in, my nightmare began!

    VW are asking me to contact Trading Standards about pursuing the garage i bought the car from. I've told them I simply don't have 4k for a new engine and they are putting my case to VW HQ to see if there is anything they could do to help me out! But it's not their problem - I didn't buy the car from a main delaer.

    I guess my first port of call is finding somewhere reliable I can get a second opinion...
     
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    Hi beabea,

    yes - the reason I asked where you bought the vehicle from was to establish whether it would be worth contacting trading standards. I'm no expert but it's worth a go. It won't cost you anything and you should get some decent advice about the legal position.
     
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    From the Citizen's Advice Bureau website

    http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/...d_vehicles.htm

    Your consumer rights when you buy a vehicle from a dealer

    If you bought the vehicle from a dealer, you will have certain rights under consumer law.
    A secondhand vehicle must match its description, be fit for its purpose, and be of satisfactory quality. However, the standard for meeting the requirement that the vehicle is of satisfactory quality will be lower because it is secondhand. A secondhand vehicle should be in reasonable condition and work properly. When deciding whether a secondhand vehicle is in reasonable condition it is important to consider the vehicle’s age and make, the past history of the vehicle and how much you paid for it.
    If a secondhand vehicle needs more extensive repairs than seemed necessary at the time it was bought, this does not necessarily mean that the vehicle is not of satisfactory quality. A secondhand vehicle can be of satisfactory quality if it is in a useable condition, even if it is not perfect.
    If the vehicle develops a problem soon after you bought it, you may have a right to return the vehicle to the dealer and get your money back. This would probably need to be within about three to four weeks at the most of buying the vehicle. The problem would need to be fairly major, and you would need to take into account the age, mileage and price of the vehicle when deciding whether it is reasonable to take it back.
    You must stop using the vehicle at once and contact the dealer. If you traded-in a vehicle, you are entitled to have it returned if it is still available, or to have the full value allowed on it, if it has been disposed of. If you have left it too late to claim a refund, or you don't want one, you may be entitled to ask for a repair or replacement. The fault must have been there when you bought the vehicle. If you do agree for a major fault to be repaired and the repair turns out to be unsatisfactory, it's not too late to ask for your money back.
    If the dealer won't agree to put the problem right, you can take legal action up to six years from the date you bought the vehicle (five years in Scotland). However, it is probably unrealistic to take legal action for a fault in a secondhand vehicle, especially an older vehicle, once you have been using it for a reasonable length of time.
    If you take the vehicle back within six months of buying it, the dealer should accept that there was a problem when the vehicle was sold and offer to repair or replace it. If the dealer doesn't accept that there was a problem when the vehicle was sold, they will have to prove this.
    After six months, it will be up to you to prove that there was a major problem with the vehicle when it was sold. You will have to provide evidence of this so it may help to get an independent report which could establish the condition of the vehicle when it was sold.
    If the dealer agrees to repair the vehicle, the repairs have to be carried out within a reasonable time and without significant inconvenience to you. The dealer must pay the costs of the repairs. If the repair has taken a long time, you may be able to use a service loan car or claim compensation, for example, for the cost of hiring a vehicle. If the dealer refuses to repair the vehicle, you are entitled to get it repaired elsewhere and claim back the cost from the dealer. If the vehicle can't be repaired or replaced or this is considered too expensive, taking into account the type of fault, you may have the right to get some or all of your money back. You will have to negotiate with the dealer to decide on what would be a reasonable amount. In deciding what is reasonable, you will need to take into account how much use you have had out of the vehicle.
    Nothing to see here, move along..
     
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    Sorry to hear your problems beabea,an expensive mistake,if the engine is that bad you need to get a guaranteed salvage engine, its no good throwing good money after bad,by all means try trading standards but if you,ve bought sold as seen the trader might say you knew about the engine (your word against his) but you never know!,but even if you get him to repair it would you trust a cowboy like that,cut and run get a another engine should be abuot 750ishplus fitting for a good low miler,good luck.
     
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    I may well be wrong but I was under the impression that dealers are required to sell a car with a minimum 6 month warranty?
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    Thanks for the info. - I spoke to Trading Standards yesterday and they said the law is on my side. Apparently sold as seen has no meaning whatsoever unless it is something obviously visible like a scratch / dent etc. I have statuatory rights and am entitled to a full refund or repair - but would def not trust him to repair!!

    My dad is saying we should honour our agreement with the dealer though! He's quite old fashioned like that & is offering to help us out with the cost of a new engine... I have already got a quote from an engine specialist who quoted 1-1.5k to put in a second hand engine with a low mileage, so a lot less than the 4k quoted for a brand new one by VW!

    Thing is, how reliable would a second hand engine be? Do you think this is a good option? I think we'll always be worrying something else will go wrong now... With the engine replaced, what other things could go wrong with the car? It's already had a new ABS / ESP unit!

    Still not sure what to do. One thing I am sure of is that I'm petrified of going back to the dealer, he was quite a hard man...
     
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    It's a bit of a quandry. I can absolutely see where your Dad is coming from. In a lovely fair world I'd do the same as him. But the fact is, these days you do have to look out for number one.

    I'd try taking it back to the dealer, as far as you're comfortable to go.

    If you do decide to go down the route of the second hand engine I'd be wanting a lot of information about where the engine has come from. I'm just thinking that if the rest of a car was in a bad enough state that it couldn't be used, would the engine necessarily be that good?
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