TSi 1.4s122bhp DSG

[JoseSpring]

Are you sure that's right? I'd be wanting to get that looked at!

[Bassajay]

Perhaps it`s just a peculiarity of my one. You need a very light foot on the pedal, it did it to me today, a tad heavy on the right foot and it is off like a rat up a drainpipe ( or the bloke in fronts chuff.)
One peculiarity of this box, or mine at least is that it will accelerate from a stop uphill on idle if you will let it. It has this anti roll back feature and if you stop on a hill junction, take your foot off the brake and without touching the accelerator wait it will move foreword uphill and even change up. Weird if you dont expect it.

I never had chance to really check out the hill start function but does it only activate according to gradient via sensors - that is, on a gentle slope it may not actually kick in? Having driven/owned other semi autos, Toyota & Honda to name two, they all required some driving adaption in order to make smooth progress in auto mode - they were fine in sequential mode. The 7 speed DSG I found very well mannered in both modes and in auto it behaved more like a full torque converted auto.
From hearing your experience, perhaps they vary somewhat from car to car unless there has been a potential software update already?

[Rhigour]

Reading the handbook the hill hold will only function for 2 seconds after releasing the handbrake if you use it and the gap in the traffic you are aiming for is more than 2 sec. coming, it will disengage and the car roll back . The handbook advises caution in using it.

Also reading the handbook; Has anyone tried out the DSG Launch Control Programme ? Page 146.

1) Switch off ESP.

2) Press brake with left foot.

3) Move selector into S or Tiptronic

4) Rev to 3,200rpm.

5) Take foot off brake .

6) source change of underwear.

Knowing the torque these engines pump out I would like confirmation that someone else has tried it and survived before I do it at the Hanger Lane Gyratory

[mr pastry]

I am following this thread with interest as I am in the market for an Auto and the DSG was a front runner .
Its quite interesting with the difference in Petrol and diesel prices I was reluctant to change from a diesel because I just love the mid range torque you get with diesels this sounds a very good compromise.

Regarding the Toyota auto if it was the MMT you drove they are horrendous to drive and have had numerous complaints

[Rhigour]

If it is mid range torque you want this engine has got it in spades . The turbocharger is permanently engaged . Dont know if this means it is not driven by the exhaust gas. But being so there is absolutely no lag it`s instant ooomph.

[Bassajay]

I am following this thread with interest as I am in the market for an Auto and the DSG was a front runner .
Its quite interesting with the difference in Petrol and diesel prices I was reluctant to change from a diesel because I just love the mid range torque you get with diesels this sounds a very good compromise.

Regarding the Toyota auto if it was the MMT you drove they are horrendous to drive and have had numerous complaints

Yes it was and I quite agree, plus Honda's i-Shift is also in that category. The DSG, at least in 7 speed form, is in a different league and far superior when compared.
No contest!

[bilen123]

Strange, I was unware that the DSG was a semi- auto. My wife needs hill starts (alwaysd has which is why we opt for auto). See my neew thread for DSG I opened today
Basically she has 2s to move off a hill from brake to accel before the car rols down..ok if noone is behind OR in front as if you are not too careful with the throttle it will shoot off and potentially hit somebody in front

[Rhigour]

The DSG is a pre selector box with automatic gear selection and clutch operation. In fact it is two gear boxes, one does all the even gear selections one does the odd gears and the clutch switches between them . I agree it does not act as a normal torque converter box ( see my reply to your post in the other thread) . Hill starts are a problem . The bottom gear has a clutch disengagement that is ccoupled to the footbrake somehow. One thing that might help is to do a small test on the car ,

On a quiet road cruise to a stop and then hold the car on the handbrake only . The brake will need a big pull and you can still feel the car pulling against the brake and the engine will be doing about 1200 rpm. Now put your foot on the footbrake, 2sec`s and the engine speed will drop to about 800 rpm and the creep will stop. (the clutch has disengaged). Take your foot off the brake and without touching the accelerator the revs will rise to 1200 and car will start tugging again (clutch has engaged first gear ). If you now take the handbrake off the car will move forward even uphill. This is best way to do hillstarts, wait with the footbrake and handbrake on , just before you want to move off say 2secs lift foot off brake the handbrake will stop rollback, when drive comes in you will feel it and can release handbrake.

[Bassajay]

The DSG is a automated manual (aka semi automatic) and not a full torque converted auto. As such it behaves, at standstill on an upward facing incline, exactly the same as a manual transmission would - ie. it will roll backwards unless you apply the foot/hand brake. The difference is that when you are ready to pull away, upon releasing the brake the hill start assist will hold the car for up to 2 seconds until the accelerator is depressed. That is the hill start assist's purpose, purely to assist - not as a permanent hold awaiting acceleration. All it really requires is to drive it as a manual when on hill starts. There are even several DSG's (6 speed) that come without any hill start assist so it is not even vital to have - it is just there to assist, especially folk only used to full autos. Regular manual transmission drivers would never have a problem with DSG hill starts.
The DSG is a semi automatic automated manual, it will not act the same as a full torque converted automatic. The real advantages over the latter are with enhanced performance, better mpg and lower emissions.

If you are used to a full automatic you must adapt your driving style by treating the DSG as a manual when it comes to hill starts.

[bilen123]

Yes thanks, understand that now - ok for me but not the wife. The whole purpose of buying an auto is to drive as an auto - no thinking required just drive!.
We made a mistake thinking the DSG was a normal auto and VW do not go out of their way to stipulate that it is quite different from their conventional auto. We thought DSG was a new fancy name but I guess you get nothing for nothing the better performance and more importantly the fuel consumption is the trade off.
We may go back to a conventional auto

What about older folk like my mum? she would be lost without the proper hill start capability - after all isn't that why after all people buy autos?