Help with tyres

[mpep666]

OMG - 30k miles from the fronts - do you actually drive it, or do you just get the wife and kids to push if from behind !!!! (Que the Skoda joke) . I'm lucky to get 8k miles from all four of mine on the S4, and on the front of the GTI .



But, but, but - remember, the ONLY component on your car which keeps you in contact with the tarmac is TYRES. You can have the best suspension, best brakes, best wheels, most powerful motor - but with lesser tyres, it could, and probably will go very pear-shaped.

Michelin may seem more expensive than other makes, but they are considerably better throughout their entire product range, than their competators. The "energy" or fuel saving tyres - the Michelin win hands down on tyre life, noise, and wet weather grip, when compared to similar offerings from the likes of Firestone and Continental. At the other end of the scale, the ultra-high performance end, the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (the new assymetric pattern and not the older directional pattern) absolutely blitz the opposition from Continental (SportContact2), Dunlop (SportMaxx), Bridgestone (Potenza S03), Yokohama (AVS S1Z & AVS Sport). This is all based on personal experience, along with many independent reviews, including the very highly regarded German organisation ADAC.

But depending on your driving style, particulary if you can get a set of fronts to last over 30k miles, the Mich PS2, or the Goodyear F1s may but just too overly specced. My advice, depending on your driving style and roads, would be the Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 (next one down from the PS2) as a sporty tyre very proficient for twisty B roads, or Michelin Pilot Primacy, more suited to M-ways and dual carriageways, with less emphasis on very hard cornering, but more emphasis on quite, relaxing and long life with steady driving.

Rgds

well i have no idea what your doing to get just 8k miles out of a full set of tyres!! i cover 8k miles in 2 months ok 90% motorway but i could not afford £500.00 for a set of dunlops every two months let alone £700.00 for a set of michelins. if these michelins are so long lasting why again are you getting just 8k miles ?
From my recollection of last years formula 1 michelin where not that great a tyre compared to the bridgestones!!
As for firestone and continental i wouldent use them on a banger let alone a skoda!!
And finally skodas are vw/ audis in sheeps clothing thats why the law use them
BUT you are right that the only bit between the car and the black stuff is the rubber on your rims and i would like to say that i have never had a blowout ,delamination, or uneven tyre wear on any of the dunlop sp01 tyres that have been on my car

[Teutonic_Tamer]

well i have no idea what your doing to get just 8k miles out of a full set of tyres!! i cover 8k miles in 2 months ok 90% motorway but i could not afford £500.00 for a set of dunlops every two months let alone £700.00 for a set of michelins. if these michelins are so long lasting why again are you getting just 8k miles ?

Have a look at post #30 https://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/s...ead.php?t=4321 . Don't forget, I said "fronts" on the GTI. On front wheel drive cars, I get between 8-10k on the fronts, and on the rears, probably about 30-40k. I say probably, because when I get new boots (except for the S4 quattro), I replace the worn out fronts, keep them on the front axle for 500 miles or so - to make sure they have been balanced properly and to "scrub" them in. I then swap em front to rear.

Regarding the pricing - I don't know where you got your figures from, but if you spend ½day on the phone to all your local tyre dealers, haggling down the price, in my experience, you can get Michelins down to about £15 a corner more than any other premium brand - so £60 all round is waaaaaayyyyy different to your £200 - about the cost of a tank of V-Power. Run on 95RON unleaded for a month, and you get your money back, and you get much better boots than Dunlop.

From my recollection of last years formula 1 michelin where not that great a tyre compared to the bridgestones!!

F1 isn't the greatest comparator for road tyres - they run on 13" rims, with huge sidewalls, and only 20psi. Modern cars, even basic family cars now run on 15" rims with 60% profile. Sporty, moderate performance cars now run on 16" or 17", and sometimes even 18" rims - with profiles going down to 40%. So dry weather slick F1 boots are not really a good indicator. Full wets are, mind you, as the rubber compound and tread pattern play a major role, just like in conventional road tyres. Oh, BTW, Michelin absolutey kick a$$ in Hungary and MonteCarlo, where they would be closest to normal road driving (for F1 anyway).

Rallying, Touring Cars, or the LeMans 24hrs are probably the closest that a competition tyre comes to normal road tyres. Rally tyres have to be road legal actually! With the LeMans 24hr, Michelin has consistantly wiped the slate over other tyre manufacturers. In the BTCC, a controled tyre is used and Dunlop is the supplier - just look at the repeated failures they get on circuits like Thruxton - shocking IMHO! In WRC, again Michelin proved their point, although they have always had very stiff competition from Pirelli. They withdrew from officially supplying WRC under their main Michelin brand, and switched to supplying under another of their brands, BFGoodrich.

With 2 wheels, MotoGP has not had a tyre world champion other than Michelin for decades - Dunlop tried and got absolutely nowhere, Bridgestone are in it now, and win the odd race, but usually when either Vale or Nicky, or the other main Mich runners fall off. In World Superbikes (the premier production based category), Michelin won every single world title, until they were banned a couple of years back, and the championship went to one-make controled tyres - Pirelli, and the riders hated them, although they are getting better. In the British Superbikes, it is a closer-run thing, between the two main players of Michelin and Dunlop. I could go on and on, but basically - you get the message, doncha .

As for firestone and continental i wouldent use them on a banger let alone a skoda!!

Firestone arn't too bad on the "energy" type of tyres, but don't cut it in high performance, because the leave that to Bridgestone, as Firestone are actually owned by Bridgestone. Continental tyres are actually very good - not the best, but up there. They are actually approved by the German TuV testing standards.

And finally skodas are vw/ audis in sheeps clothing thats why the law use them

Huh - where did that come from?? OK, OK - Skoda may have some access to the same parts bins as VW, Audi, Seat, Lamborghini, Bentley and Bugatti, but they don't get the best toys, are not as well finished as Audi by a country mile, the styling is - err - different (what do you prefer the looks of: the Skoda Roomster, or the Golf Plus?). The reason the law use then - they are cheap.

BUT you are right that the only bit between the car and the black stuff is the rubber on your rims and i would like to say that i have never had a blowout ,delamination, or uneven tyre wear on any of the dunlop sp01 tyres that have been on my car

Yes, yes - but it is not just about blowouts or general defects - it is the way the tyre performs throughout its' entire (ohh - thats' awful ) life on the car. Wet weather performance is absolutely crucial, and until you experience just how good Michelin are over their competators, you will wonder why you ever used anything else. I have the OEM Dunlop SportMaxx on the GTI at the moment, and they really are awful. They are worse than Continental, Yokohama and Bridgestone, and it goes without saying, absolutely a different league altogether than Michelin. They are so $hite, dangerous actually, that I am actually trying hard to wear them out, so I can put some decent boots on them. I complained to the supplying dealer, who confirmed they had repeated complaints about them, when compared to the same spec car with either Contis or Michelins. VW have stopped supplying cars with the SportMaxx, although I saw a new Eos in the showroom with Dunlop Sport SP01 - a change from directional to asymmetric tread pattern!

If the price of Michelins really is too much, run your motor on 95RON unleaded, instead of 98 SuperPlus, or fill up with supermarket diesel for a month or so. Tyres should be the number one priority on your car, and should never be skimped on!