MMI 2G/Phone module problem?

[Darius R]

Hello everyone, I'm having some issues with my MMI system. Allright, so the car is Audi A6 C6 SALOON 3.0 TDI (ASB) made in July 2006 with MMI 2G High. I bought this car 5 months ago and everything related to MMI was working fine, only sometimes had problems with bluetooth connectivity - when on phone call, phone was loosing connection but after 20 or so seconds phone connects back by it self but I thought it's my iPhone 4 foult, as I red somewhere that iPhone and Audi bluetooth doesn't work great together but haven't got a chance to check it with other phone. CD player, DAB Radio, Navigation, Voice control was absolutely fine.

However, few days ago I came to my car, started engine and straight away spotted something wrong with my MMI. Whole interface is very slow, when music plays on Radio or CD or when listening to voice guidance on Navigation - sound plays for 30 seconds, then everything freezes and after 5 or so seconds comes back to normal, and then again the same thing round and around. Looks like component protection is active. Noticed that my phone is no longer connected to Audi bluetooth, tried other phones - no luck as well, no phones can see Audi bluetooth, on MMI says: Phone not connected or not attached properly.. Voice command doesn't work either - then button pressed on steering wheel, nothing happens, no sound, no nothing.

So, started to think how can I investigate all this issues.. When press SETUP+RETURN buttons on MMI, you can see modules installed on the system, so tried that and could not find phone module on the list (handyvorb, I think, is the name of interface of phone). Tried to reboot MMI with no luck. Tried to disconnect battery for 30 minutes, at the same time checked all the fuses an the car, no fuses was burned, connected battery back and no luck - still the same. Started to Google about similar issues, but not too much info found. So decided to purchase VCDS with interface. Got it delivered and started to play with it (not enough confident with it yet).

So here is the result of Autoscan:

Chassis Type: 4F
Scan: 01 02 03 05 07 08 09 0E 0F 15 16 17 19 37 42 46 47 4F 52 53
55 56 61 62 72 76 77


VIN: Mileage: 106930km/66443miles


00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
07-Control Head -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0E-Media Player 1 -- Status: OK 0000
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
37-Navigation -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
4F-Centr. Electr. II -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Xenon Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
61-Battery Regul. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 4F0 910 402 D HW: 4F0 907 401 C
Component: 3.0L V6TDI G000AG 0020
Revision: --H03--- Serial number:
Coding: 0011372
Shop #: WSC 02334 785 00200
VCID: 1E37DA4BC9ACCAE


No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 1 1 1


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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09L-927-760.lbl
Part No SW: 4F2 910 156 F HW: 09L 927 156 C
Component: AG6 09L 3,0 TDI RdW 0030
Revision: --H01--- Serial number: 4211894
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 285BFC939BE804E


No fault code found.


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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 4F0-910-517.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 517 AD HW: 4F0 614 517 AA
Component: ESP8 quattro H01 0070
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0020876
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 66C7B2AB517CD2E




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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth.
Cannot be reached


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Address 07: Control Head Labels: 4F0-910-7xx-07-H.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 731 D HW: 4E0 035 729
Component: Interfacebox H43 2830
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 350GN067704246
Coding: 0000002
Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
VCID: 2341EBBFE2CEE76


3 Faults Found
00384 - Optical Databus
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 131
Mileage: 106932 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.03.08
Time: 17:07:25


01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 131
Mileage: 106930 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.03.08
Time: 16:45:41


Freeze Frame:
Bin. Bits: 01


01327 - Control Module for Parking Aid (J446)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 108
Mileage: 106562 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2013.02.16
Time: 11:23:45




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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 4F0-910-043.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 043 HW: 4F2 820 043 N
Component: KLIMABETAETIGUNGH20 0170
Revision: 00000030 Serial number: 00000030145365
Coding: 0001046
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: DBB1135F1A3E1F6


No fault code found.


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 4F0-910-279.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 279 K HW: 4F0 907 279
Component: ILM Fahrer H17 0240
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 4F0907279
Coding: 0013121
Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
VCID: 316D11F7A832456


Subsystem 1 - Part No: 4F2 910 113 A
Component: Wischer AudiC6 H04 0190
Coding: 00064784
Shop #: WSC 02335


Subsystem 2 - Part No: 4E0 910 557 A
Component: REGENLICHTSENSORH13 0090
Coding: 00146221
Shop #: WSC 02335


4 Faults Found
01494 - Bulb for Parking Lamps; Left (M1)
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 28
Reset counter: 113
Mileage: 104916 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.12.23
Time: 13:10:00


01494 - Bulb for Parking Lamps; Left (M1)
007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100111
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 61
Reset counter: 130
Mileage: 104444 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.12.16
Time: 17:40:00


01498 - Bulb for Parking Lamps; Right (M3)
011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101011
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 82
Reset counter: 124
Mileage: 104444 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.12.16
Time: 14:38:00


01498 - Bulb for Parking Lamps; Right (M3)
007 - Short to Ground - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100111
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 27
Reset counter: 130
Mileage: 104444 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2012.12.16
Time: 15:52:00




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Address 0E: Media Player 1 Labels: 4E0-910-111.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 111 F HW: 4E0 035 111 A
Component: CD-Changer H44 0470
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ5ZBG8234061
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 1C33D043DFB0D8E


No fault code found.


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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: None
Part No SW: 4E0 910 563 C HW: 4E0 035 563
Component: DAB-Tuner H41 0830
Revision: 00000001 Serial number: KE1229T8201131
Coding: 0000001
Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
VCID: 2443E8A3E7C0E0E


No fault code found.


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 4F0-910-655-8R.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 655 E HW: 4F0 959 655 B
Component: 4E AIRBAG AUDI8RH29 0280
Revision: 08H29000 Serial number: 0037LD0FUGBU
Coding: 0013381
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 295DF99780E23D6


No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred


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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 4F0-910-549.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 549 HW: 4F0 953 549 A
Component: Lenks‰ulenmodul H08 0230
Revision: 00H08000 Serial number: 90026061810285
Coding: 0102141
Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
VCID: E6C732ABD17C52E


Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: Lenkradmodul H07 0090


No fault code found.


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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 4F0-910-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 930 C HW: 4F0 920 981 F
Component: KOMBIINSTR. M73 H18 0110
Revision: 00300000 Serial number: 5HS3≤5Ÿ66
Shop #: WSC 00720 210 82115
VCID: 2341EBBFE2CEE76


No fault code found.


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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 4F0-910-468.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 468 A HW: 4F0 907 468 D
Revision: 11 Serial number: 1300806710004D
Coding: ECFE73C41B3904
Shop #: WSC 02334 785 00200
VCID: 2759FFAF96F60B6


No fault code found.


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Address 37: Navigation Labels: 4E0-910-88x-37.lbl
Part No SW: 4E0 910 887 Q HW: 4E0 919 887 D
Component: MNS ECE H48 0850
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 364GP067580133
Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
VCID: 3B7133DF7A7EBF6


No fault code found.


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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 4F0-910-793-42.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 793 E HW: 4F0 959 793 E
Component: TSG FA H12 0120
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: $tÄ
Coding: 0002682
Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
VCID: 2C5300838F1028E


No fault code found.


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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 4F0-910-289.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 289 G HW: 4F0 907 289 G
Component: Komfortgeraet H22 0170
Revision: 01700022 Serial number: 01016327300000
Coding: 0139771
Shop #: WSC 02335 785 00200
VCID: 2E570A8BB90C5AE


Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301


Part No: 4F0 910 177
Component: Innenraumueberw.H01 0020


No fault code found.


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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 4F0-910-223-BO.lbl
Part No: 4F0 910 223 F
Component: DSP-H
Revision: PROD_01 Serial number: 00000000008573
Coding: 0000013
Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
VCID: 214DE1B7F8D2F56


No fault code found.


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Address 4F: Centr. Electr. II Labels: 4F0-910-280.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 280 HW: 4F0 907 280 A
Component: ILM Beifahrer H10 0080
Revision: Serial number: 00000000264426
Coding: 0001103
Shop #: WSC 02323 785 00200
VCID: DEB71A4B092C0AE


No fault code found.


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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 4F0-910-793-52.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 793 E HW: 4F0 959 792 E
Component: TSG BF H12 0120
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: `qÅ
Coding: 0002682
Shop #: WSC 02327 785 00200
VCID: 2C5300838F1028E


No fault code found.


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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 4F0-910-801.clb
Part No SW: 4F0 910 801 B HW: 4F0 907 801 A
Component: EPB CB4C0060 H04 0060
Revision: --H04---
Coding: 0000321
Shop #: WSC 02324 785 00200
VCID: 1F49E74FCEA6C36


No fault code found.


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Address 55: Xenon Range Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
Part No: 4F0 910 357 F
Component: AFS 1
Shop #: WSC 02325 785 00200
VCID: 295DF99780E23D6


No Faults Found
or DTCs not supported by controller
or a communication error occurred


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Address 56: Radio
Cannot be reached


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Address 61: Battery Regul.
Cannot be reached


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left
Cannot be reached


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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: None
Part No SW: 4F0 HW: 4F0 959 794 E
Coding: 0002090
Shop #: WSC 00000 785 00200
VCID: AA5F869B05E4B6E


No fault code found.


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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 4Fx-910-283.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 283 F HW: 4F0 919 283 F
Component: Parkhilfe 4-Kan H09 0060
Revision: 00H09000 Serial number: 06220619800234
Coding: 0001106
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
VCID: 2759FFAF96F60B6


No fault code found.


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Address 77: Telephone
Cannot be reached


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There is the result of Optical Bus check (for some reason I could only do Standart check):

Control Module Part Number: 4F0 910 468 A
Component and/or Version: Gatew


Optical Bus Diagnostic : Standard


Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
47-Sound System OK OK
37-Navigation OK OK


I have to mention that when I tried to connect to Module 77 (Phone module) I got message saying that there was no respond from the controller. The same happend when I tried to connect to Voice Command Module. I also have to mention that after the Optical Bus diagnostic, the whole MMI started to work flawlessly but Voice Command function still did't work and on MMI it said Phone not installed. After ignition off and on, the problem remains and the whole MMI is very slow and sound cuts off every 30 seconds again.

So, from what I checked, I suspect phone module faulty but I'm not too sure at all. That's why I'm posting all this stuff here. I hope someone can help me by giving some advice on what to follow to resolve this issue. I called few Audi dealers and asked about phone module for this car and the answer was that it's £300, it's part exchange and that this electronic part can not be returned. What's why purchasing new module should be my last step, before that I would like to make sure it's this module faulty.

So someone please help me

[DieTryin']

Darius
Take your phone BT module out of the MOST loop (underneath the carpet in the front pax footwell); you'll need an optical bridge (about £9 from the main dealer).
That'll show whether it's the BT module or not.
You may find that it's swimming in water; all covered in superb depth on this forum.
Good luck.... it's a well trodden path you're on by the sounds of it.
I got a replacement BT module off Ebay, a few weeks ago for £55 inc postage, so don't rush into getting fleeced.

ps: Your sig..... seek help

[Guest 2]

As above, its all been covered before so do a search, some threads are researched in depth so some good info to be had.

[Darius R]

I have searched forum much deeper today and looks like I'm not the only one who have/had this problem. However, had a look at floor carpet today and it looks all dry..
Played a bit more with VCDS today and ran Optical Bus Diagnostic 3dB Attenuation test:


Monday,11,March,2013,17:54:18:10074
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.4
Control Module Part Number: 4F0 910 468 A
Component and/or Version: Gateway H11 0070


Optical Bus Diagnostic : 3dB Attenuation


Controller Electrical Optical
19-CAN Gateway OK OK
07-Control Head(High/D3) OK OK
0E-Media Player 1 OK OK
77-Telephone ERROR ERROR
47-Sound System OK OK
56-Radio OK OK
37-Navigation OK OK
0F-Digital Radio(DAB) OK OK

So, obviously looks like BT module faulty.. I'll go to Audi dealer to buy Optical Bridge and next step will be to remove Phone module.

Thank you guys for your support.

[Darius R]

Hello guys, just to let you know that it is Bluetooth module fault. Finally, yesterday the weather was a bit better, so spent some time on the car and managed to remove this phone module. I had MOST Loop purchased already, so plugged it in and everything apart Bluetooth, off course, started to work normally again. Now I'm on the market for second hand module, as new one which is part exchange costs £301 from main dealer. So, once another module purchased, plugged in, coding done, I should be fine then.

Thanks for your replies once again.

[Guest 2]

Yep new module and coding and it will work as normal.

Can you provide the product code/part number of yours?

[Darius R]

Yep, part number: 4E0 862 335. Funny thing is that I can't see any visual fault on it. There are no water signs under the carpet, the module it self looks perfect, I opened the module and can not see any burned components or what so ever.. I found one second hand for a reasonable price of approx. £90 inc. delivery costs from Poland, so my work colleague may get it for me..

[Guest 2]

few for sale on ebay uk at around the £300(!) mark

4E0862335 | eBay

ebay.de

4E0862335 | eBay

you've probably already seen these but anywho

[Darius R]

Yeah, seen those on eBay. Crazy prices, isn't it.. As I said, brand new from main dealer is £301, so there is no point buying second hand for these prices. There must be some company which is fixing these modules. Audi is probably sending them somewhere to fix, cause they taking your old unit as part exchange...

[TheMatador]

Did the optical bridge sort the issue with the MMI and did the radio stop cutting out??

I think I have the same issue ( Infotainment MMI problems (after car wash?)). I can't work out if I have two issues (BT module dead plus CP somehow activated) or just one to do with the BT module...