Just moved from 140bhp to 170bhp Sport-what are the differences?

[phil140]

Just sold my 2006/56 2.0 TDi SE saloon (92k) which had a remap (180bhp supposedly) and i happened upon a 2006/56 2.0TDi 170bhp Sport (52k) at the auctions on Friday and found myself buying it without much thought. I might add that i buy hundreds of vehicles a year to be sold at our family owned car showroom so the risk was a somewhat calculated one.

What are the main differences between the 140 unit and the 170 engine? I suspect that it is a little more than a different engine map in the ECU.

The 170 drives superbly and feels as quick and sorted as the 140bhp (with 180 remap) i have just got out of. There is always a reason why someone chops a car in for another one and sometimes it is more than wanting a newer/higher spec vehicle. One of the 1st invoices in the service history for the 170 is a 2 week old reciept for over £1100 detailing how the DPF needed replacing due to 'poor running and engine lights illuminated'. I suspect that the last old boy who owned this car did not do enough miles (or got the engine hot enough) for the DPF to regenerate. The last owner must have lost faith in the car and moved on to pastures new.

So to repeat, can any 170bhp owners chime in regarding what the differences are?

Regards,

Phil

[DSG4ME]

0-60, standard dpf and 30 extra horses, BKP vs BMR engine codes iirc although it could be BMP coded.

Personally I'd move it asap, how much did the hammer make?

[manity]

DPF ,larger turbo factory remap and different injectors as far as i can recall.

[phil140]

Thanks for the input, the hammer price was £4,900 so the car owes £5,050 all in which is pretty good against CAP clean trade price of £6,325!

It was listed as a 2.0 petrol 130bhp in the sale catalogue and came up as a 3.2 automatic on the experian data check so that put people off bidding. I am happy to take a chance and it is not uncommon for VAG group cars to be shown as the wrong model on the V5 etc. It is a UK 170bhp BMR engined car, i checked with my VW contact and all is well. I think i will buy it and run it for a few months, i am always very negative regarding diesels as they always seem to come back with horrible problems after we have sold them. I go out and procure low mileage petrol saloons and people always say that if they were diesel they would have bought it. A lot of people out there do not understand about the added running costs of a modern diesel with DPF failures, DMF problems etc.

It sounds like the 170 has quite a different engine under the bonnet than the 140 variant.

[DSG4ME]

Thanks for the input, the hammer price was £4,900 so the car owes £5,050 all in which is pretty good against CAP clean trade price of £6,325!

It was listed as a 2.0 petrol 130bhp in the sale catalogue and came up as a 3.2 automatic on the experian data check so that put people off bidding. I am happy to take a chance and it is not uncommon for VAG group cars to be shown as the wrong model on the V5 etc. It is a UK 170bhp BMR engined car, i checked with my VW contact and all is well. I think i will buy it and run it for a few months, i am always very negative regarding diesels as they always seem to come back with horrible problems after we have sold them. I go out and procure low mileage petrol saloons and people always say that if they were diesel they would have bought it. A lot of people out there do not understand about the added running costs of a modern diesel with DPF failures, DMF problems etc.

It sounds like the 170 has quite a different engine under the bonnet than the 140 variant.

You're correct, I had a Superb 130TD that on the VAG supply form was a 1.8 petrol, same with the insurance, I think you'll find the 170 has Bosch injectors so nothing to worry about there, but I do believe it still has the choco oil pump drive in it, the way to check it out is to look at the chassis number and hope the number is over 50000, so if it's 04355 it's risky but 50001 should be ok, having said that I know of a 57 plate BKP that's just melted one,

As for people, don't get me started, all are qualified experts the minute they take the keys, what you have there is a poisoned chalis tbh, on one hand a good looking car, on the other a pick pocket with ambition.

[jagr]

I think you'll find the 170 has Bosch injectors so nothing to worry about there.

The 170 still needs the injectors replaced (if they haven't already been) my '07 170 Sport and (friends) '57 170 SEL estates both had the recall done earlier this year.

I had an '07 140 SE before this and the 170 is a much better driving experience.

[DSG4ME]

The 170 still needs the injectors replaced (if they haven't already been) my '07 170 Sport and (friends) '57 170 SEL estates both had the recall done earlier this year.

I had an '07 140 SE before this and the 170 is a much better driving experience.

Did they replace, or just check which ones were fitted though, VW got itself in a mess over this, and didn't know what they had fitted to what.

[jagr]

Did they replace, or just check which ones were fitted though, VW got itself in a mess over this, and didn't know what they had fitted to what.

Both had new injectors and loom

[phil140]

Did they replace, or just check which ones were fitted though, VW got itself in a mess over this, and didn't know what they had fitted to what.

From memory i think jagr is correct regarding the injectors. Luckily the last owners phone number is on the DPF invoice so i will call him in the morning to ask about the injectors and what the car was like in general. He will, of course only want to know one thing, how much it went for!

I could call VW but it takes an age and last time i had to prove i owned the car (copies of the V5 etc), plus i want to ask the last owner if he only dumped the car before the DPF fiasco. He had the cambelt done @ 46k at a decent garage so sounds like the type to look after his stuff properly. I have not personally owned a vehicle with a DPF before but am very aware of their little habits after taking phonecalls from customers who have purchased vehicles from ourselves and are having DPF constipation problems. I always buy our sales manager his personal smokers (in fact i am bidding on a B6 estate for him in morning) and he has owned a few B6 2.0 TDi's. The last one i got him had DPF fitted and although he does low miles he had no issues with it, he ran a Nissan Qashqai 2.0 diesel back in 2008 that he had DPF problems with though.

Yep, diesels are a funny mix of good news and bad realities. The amount of people that come in the showroom saying 'i need a diesel' who only cover 6k a year is frightening. We try to inform and educte them as much as we can without scaring them from making a purchase.

[phil140]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It was all going too well. I thought i would give the 170 a run to make sure it felt ok before taxing it etc, put £40 Shell V Power diesel in and took it for a run on the Motorway for about 20 mins, car drove great with no problems. Happy that the car was ok i then taxed it for 6 months at the Post Office. Started driving again and bong the DPF warning light came on, i read the manual and drove for about 20 mins in 4th gear at just under 3000rpm. Then the coil engine warning light started to flash and car went into 'limp' mode.

Obviously when the last owner spent £1,100 fitting a new DPF it did not cure the problem. Called the garage that fitted the DPF and they were pretty guarded, the chap that did the work is on holiday until Monday. I bought the car cheap enough to have this issue looked at but i will move it on if i have to. Any ideas chaps?