Added Fiscon Basic Plus, can't code into RCD510

[john_a]

Hi all,

I have an RCD510DAB (from a mk6 I think) in my Octavia and have just had a Fiscon Basic Plus fitted. I've gone to do the coding and ticked 77 for Telephone Prep in the CAN Gateway installation list, but when I try and select Telephone (CAN) in the Long Coding helper under the Radio Module (56), I get error 31 - "Coding Rejected: Error 31: Request out of range".

Is there any way around this? The phone is paired to the car, I can make and receive calls and view information on the Maxidot display but I can't do anything through the headunit. Is there anything I need to do? When I fitted the headunit, I tried to select either VW Soundsystem or Skoda Soundsystem installed in Long Coding but they were both rejected with Error 31. Dana at Ross Tech seems to think this is normal and "No Sound System Installed" should be the option selected as the others are apparently specific to built in amps, Dynaudio, or other things like that.

Any ides? I would be very grateful for your assistance.

Ta

J

[a8 tech]

error 31 means not installed so ignore it

post pictures please

[john_a]

Would you like pics/screenshots/scans of what VCDS is reporting?

[a8 tech]

yes and code changes please https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...scon_vw_en.pdf

have you changed the code in 56/37 to tell the head unit it has can phone prep

Coding

Radio Configuration
AUX-IN Access restricted
CD-Changer/iPod/USB Connection Monitoring active
AUX-IN Connection Monitoring activc
Parking Aid installed
Shortpress Steering Wheel Buttons installed
Telephone OR Telephone Preparation (CAN) installed
Back-Up Camera installed
Sound System Correction
Sound System not installed
Volkswagen Sound System (DDP DSP)
Skoda Soundsystem (CAN DSP)
Dynaudio Sound System (DDP DSP)
Volkswagen Sound System (BAP DSP)
Dynaudio Sound System (BAP DSP)
Speaker Channels
Sound System (active Speakers)
2 Speaker Channels (2 passive Front Speakers)
4 Speaker Channels (2 passive Speakers each Front and Rear)
Treble Speaker Monitoring
Treble Speaker Monitoring deactivated (Sound System)
Treble Speaker Monitoring for Front Speakers active
Treble Speaker Monitoring for Rear Speakers active
Treble Speaker Monitoring for Front & Rear Speakers active
Vehicle Specific Frequency Response
Linear Frequency Response
Model specific Frequency Response

[john_a]

Thanks
I've read through the manual and only found reference to the code change in Address 19 (CAN Gateway), which I selected 77 for telephone prep.

This is the most recent scan, I've omitted everything bar CAN Gateway, Radio and Telephone as I am not sure that it is relevant, but if you would like more please ask.

Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 7N0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 7N0 907 530 C HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533 Gateway H37 0614
Revision: H37 Serial number: 250511F1000974
Coding: 351303
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 30653F486338729

No fault code found.

Address 56: Radio (J0503) Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 035 195 G HW: 3C8 035 195 G
Component: Radio RCD510 050 0207
Revision: 00000001 Serial number: VWZ1Z3L1548569
Coding: 03000400040105
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 2C5D2B384F10169

3 Faults Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 160
Mileage: 102999 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 17:58:52

00821 - Antenna 2 for Radio (R93)
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 160
Mileage: 102999 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 17:58:52

02877 - Digital Radio Antenna (R183)
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 160
Mileage: 102999 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 17:58:52

Address 77: Telephone Labels: None
Part No SW: KTC 364 95B HW: KTC 364 95B
Component: SWP:3.23.5 H24 0210
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 21977 142 74100
VCID: 2F673C34BE066D1

No fault code found.

The three fault codes on the Radio (Address 56) are down to the aerial currently having no 12V power.

I have attempted to make the coding changes on address 56

from: 03000400040105 - Current
to: 03000402040105 - New

Changing byte 3, Bit 1 to tick the check box marked Telephone OR Telephone Preparation (CAN) installed.

When I try and save this, I get error 31.

Am I doing something wrong?

[a8 tech]

Well John its either the fiscon loom is incorrect or the unit is incorrect as once the gateway can see the phone then the radio only needs to be told to allow the function

Out of intrest disconnect both the radio and the fiscon and see if a hard reset works

Failing that send a ticket fiscon and check the fiscon firmware is the latest

if you can screen dump vcds long code helper for address 56 as well as I dont have all the byte functions

[john_a]

Sorry I didn't see you had added to your post before I posted up the scan results.

have you changed the code in 56/37 to tell the head unit it has can phone prep

I've tried and that's when VCDS gives me error 31.

Coding

Radio Configuration
AUX-IN Access restricted - Bit 0 ticked
CD-Changer/iPod/USB Connection Monitoring active - Bit 1 ticked
AUX-IN Connection Monitoring activc - Bit 2 not ticked
Parking Aid installed - Bit 3 not ticked
Shortpress Steering Wheel Buttons installed - Bit 0 not ticked (I only have wiper stalk controls)
Telephone OR Telephone Preparation (CAN) installed - Bit 1 not ticked
Back-Up Camera installed - Bit 6 not ticked
Sound System Correction
Sound System not installed
Volkswagen Sound System (DDP DSP)
Skoda Soundsystem (CAN DSP)
Dynaudio Sound System (DDP DSP)
Volkswagen Sound System (BAP DSP)
Dynaudio Sound System (BAP DSP)
Speaker Channels
Sound System (active Speakers)
2 Speaker Channels (2 passive Front Speakers)
4 Speaker Channels (2 passive Speakers each Front and Rear)
Treble Speaker Monitoring
Treble Speaker Monitoring deactivated (Sound System)
Treble Speaker Monitoring for Front Speakers active
Treble Speaker Monitoring for Rear Speakers active
Treble Speaker Monitoring for Front & Rear Speakers active
Vehicle Specific Frequency Response - 01 selected Skoda Octavia (1Z)
Linear Frequency Response
Model specific Frequency Response

I've highlighted in bold everything that is selected on my car.
I brought the 00 Soundsystem Non Installed to Ross-Tech's attention after it was fitted but they seemed to think this is normal.

Not sure what else to do.
Skoda Soundsystem CAN DSP is what I would like to use as I understand my car is CAN rather than BAP. I don't know if the headunit is having a wobbler because it's out of a later car and thinks it should be connected to a BAP system. Or am I making that up?

[a8 tech]

Is the radio a retro fit?
I would contact fiscon to check the compatibility against the radio hw and sw version
Can you reset the radio as most code changes need the unit to be reset to take affect
Without the exact details its harder but does vcds see the dsp amp in the installation list (it should not matter as this issue is just the radio display and radio menu not showing phone operations

tick phone prep can and reboot the radio

[john_a]

Yes it's a retro fit and had been previously fitted to another car. When I put it into my car it had retained its memory (presets, etc) so I guess it's never had a full reset. I am not sure if the unit has the option to be reset, but I guess pulling the fuse would have the same effect?

Looking at Kufatec's site, I can't tell if the software version of my kit is the most up to date - the kit SW is something like (and I'll check and confirm) 3.23.5 but there is a version 3.247 on the Fiscon site for hardware version II (which I am pretty sure I have). I don't want to go bricking either the HU or the kit, so might try resetting the HU first.

[john_a]

Can't see a way of doing a reboot on the radio other than pulling the fuse (or disconnecting the radio and then pulling the fuse).
Despite being taken from one car and fitted to mine (and briefly fitting to my dad's as a fault finding exercise) all the presets and info were stored so although a full reset must be possible, I've no idea how to do it!