ESP Fault and No Dash Symbol

[kevshek]

I was wondering if anyone could clarify, when you turn the ignition ON, aswell as the ABS, Handbrake light etc, does the ESP (skiddy car and tyre track) Symbol come on momentarily prior to cranking the engine?

My does not light up at all, and the ESP OFF switch on the centre console doesnt do anything. Im also sure my car will wheelspin in the wet.

Ive just had it back from a warranty repair. After scanning the ECU, there was a fault with the ABS Pressure Sensor, this i was told could stop the operation of the ESP. However, even after its now been fixed and the fault code has been cleared, ESP is still not functioning.

Heres a scan i took today, although its a Plus, i presume its the same as a normal mk5.
Could the 2 Steering Wheel Electronc faults be responsible?

Friday,10,June,2011,11:13:50:37015
VCDS Version: Release 10.6.4
Data version: 20110418



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Chassis Type: 1K0
Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72

VIN: WVWZZZ1KZ7W610580 Mileage: 129760km/80629miles

00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl
Part No SW: 03G 906 021 KS HW: 03G 906 021 KS
Component: R4 2,0L EDC 000SG 9187
Revision: --H06--- Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8093406
Coding: 0000072
Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
VCID: 7AF01A984C4F

2 Faults Found:
005784 - Please Check DTC Memory of Steering Wheel Electronics
P1698 - 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100001
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 129760 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 10:55:31

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 12.46 V
Bin. Bits: 11001100
Bin. Bits: 00000000
(no units): 0.0

005785 - Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Steering Wheel Electronics
P1699 - 000 - - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Mileage: 129760 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 11:00:24

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 0 /min
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 12.39 V
Bin. Bits: 11000100
Bin. Bits: 00000000
(no units): 0.0

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0023282
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
VCID: 73EE37BC6B25

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 820 047 FT HW: 1K0 820 047 FT
Component: Climatic PQ35 141 0909
Revision: 00141027 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 7BFE1F9C4375

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AE HW: 3C0 937 049 AE
Component: Bordnetz-SG H52 2002
Revision: 00H52000 Serial number: 00000006868782
Coding: E5890F2700041800470A00000F00000000085D035C0001
Shop #: WSC 01367 785 00200
VCID: 6CDC2CC0361B

Part No: 5M0 955 119 B
Component: Wischer 080307 020 0501
Coding: 00038805
Shop #: WSC 01367

Part No: 1K0 955 559 AD
Component: RLS 050307 014 1201
Coding: 06500389
Shop #: WSC 01367

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 T HW: 1K0 909 605 T
Component: 1K AIRBAG VW8 020 2300
Revision: 05020000 Serial number: 0038PD1496H0
Coding: 0012619
Shop #: WSC 01373 785 00200
VCID: 3D7AD1841DE1

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 BD HW: 1K0 953 549 BD
Component: J0527 638 0070
Coding: 0002002
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
VCID: 75EA09A46551

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

1 Fault Found:
00895 - Cruise Control Switch (E45)
014 - Defective - Intermittent

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 B HW: 1K0 920 973 B
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDD 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8093406
Coding: 0003403
Shop #: WSC 00875 210 92206
VCID: 2C5CECC0F69B

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 K HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H04 0021
Revision: H04 02 Serial number: 180307F1002305
Coding: 3D3F034007009003
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
VCID: 2F66FBCCC78D

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 B HW: 1K0 920 973 B
Component: IMMO VDD 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0G8093406
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2C5CECC0F69B

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 M HW: 1K0 959 701 M
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0990
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
VCID: 3874C09032C3

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K2 909 144 L
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.070 H07 1806
Shop #: WSC 00000 028 00001
VCID: 356AC9A425D1

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT HW: 1K0 959 433 BT
Component: KSG PQ35 G2 020 0203
Revision: 00020000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 819002005103087F2D04840570085FC690FC00
Shop #: WSC 01367 785 00200
VCID: 830EE77CBB85

Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301

Part No: 1K0 951 178 A
Component: Neigungssensor 003 0203

Part No: 1K0 951 178 A
Component: Innenraumueberw.003 0203

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 M HW: 1K0 959 702 M
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0990
Coding: 0000692
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 00200
VCID: 3972C59409C9

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 5M0 035 186 C
Component: Radio GR0 034 0033
Revision: 0003404S Serial number: VWZ2Z2G3323752
Coding: 0010400
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2C5CECC0F69B

1 Fault Found:
01042 - Control Module; Not Coded
000 - -

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 K HW: 1K0 959 703 K
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0914
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 1012552
VCID: 3874C09032C3

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 K HW: 1K0 959 704 K
Component: Tuer-SG 005 0914
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 01392 785 1012552
VCID: 3972C59409C9

No fault code found.

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[Teflon]

Can't help with the scan info but try this - with engine running, turn off the ESP. Light should come on. Turn it on again, light should go off. This ought to be a pretty good indicator of things.

[kevshek]

I know thats how its supposed to work, but mine doesnt, neither the button or the dash light lights up at all. The only thing i think it can relate too is the DTC memory steering electronic fault mentioned above. ESP uses wheel speed signal, steering angle etc to calculate intervention, maybe this fault has shut it down.

Someone mentioned that there maybe a proceedure to reset the DTC of the steering wheel, and it was probably caused when i had the wheel off installing cruise control. If anyone can shed any light on the steering wheel thing, that may help.

[Buzzoff]

From what you have described regarding the ESP light not coming on atall it looks like someone has removed the bulb to mask the ESP malfunction issue (ABS pump problem, common fault).
I would surgest that you return the car back to where or who ever did the warranty work and ask them to explain what they have done to rectify the ESP not working issue. Then point out to them that it is still not working and it appears that the ESP dash light has been removed seeing that it does not seem to work.

The ESP not working is a common problem (we have it on my wifes tdi Touran) it is something we are going to live without seeing to rectify this issue is megga bucks.

Good luck.

[kevshek]

I also had the same though, and was told that the ESP light was an LED when i asked. These are usually harder to mask as you wouldneed to dismantle the gauge cluster to blank it, but its would explain a lot. There looks like some dust behind the perspex and it could be possible someones been in there, so i might investigate myself. I dont think the used car dealer where i gotit from would come clean. The way they deal with sale and service/repairsare totally seperate (not even on the same site!) This means if you have a problem, its no use going back to the showroom, which is very sneaker clever. However, the warranty was good enough to cover the repairs. If need be, i can lways make further claims to rectify it.

[Buzzoff]

When I investigated the ESP light issue for my wifes Touran I found a thread here that described your exact same issue. That person found that a plug(I'm not quite sure where) had been disconnected thus removing the warning light on the dash.

Have a look through the VW Touran dart of the forum and you will probably find this thread and several other cases.

All I know to rectify this ESP issue you will need to part with upto and beyond £1200

Cheers

Buzz

[paul4222]

VW have issued a repair kit for the ESP fault, our Mk5 Golf with over 100K VW service history, although one a specialist and we have been offered 75% good will gesture.

Dealer tried to offload full new unit for over £1k but repair kit is £400 and a bit!

Worth checkng out

[Buzzoff]

I was informed by my local VW dealer that there was a "bolt on" repair kit however they also said that this kit would only work on some of the abs pumps. It turns out that there are different abs pumps and not all can be fixed with this kit. When I questioned Vw asking them if our Touran could have the bolt on kit fitted they replied that they could not tell via our number plate or vin number and that they would need the vehicle in for investigation(at our expenxce). To be honest I understand that even if we had a brand new replacment item fitted this item will fail in time too.

We are happy enough with not having the esp working (years ago we had a 110bhp passat 1.9tdi that never had esp and it drove fine) after all the Touran is no rocket ship and we have had no issues with it not working.

ESP is nice to have but not cost effective if you have to pay the repair bill for it.

[bakili]

does this ESP issue effects 2008 models as well? Kinder bit worried now???