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**BigAid** · 09-03-2012,04:38 PM

Originally Posted by mcwill

I've only just ordered my car, but when I take delivery I will have to choose whether to use my iphone or use the online services. Currently I can't choose both.

I'm just pointing out that Audi already has a viable solution that would allow iphone users (and those with phones that do not support rSAP) to use the online services built into the car.

iphones have never been able to use external aerials so the US solution would see me no worse off, than I am in my existing car using the iphone via bluetooth.

This was interesting though in Autocar's news piece on the new A3...

Maybe Audi is starting to recognise that rSAP isn't the only solution?

If I'm honest I'd more than settle for HFP Bluetooth to iPhone and Data sim card for on-line services....I hadn't realised this was an option in the US.................RSAP and external aerial is a nice idea but will never happen officially in my opinion with Apple / never be an option on the latest iPhone via jail breaking and I'm more likely to have a newer phone than car now I've bought the car.

so they do......
http://www.audiusa.com/us/brand/en/o...i_connect.html

now I really want it as its possible!

**dgarside** · 09-03-2012,11:01 PM

Got to agree I'd happily compromise.... Let hope :-)

**bett123** · 10-03-2012,01:52 AM

Me too. That makes a lot of sense to me, HOW do we persuade the main men in Germany to get it sorted though!?

**gbjk** · 16-03-2012,04:02 PM

Progress update from Timothy and I:

I jailbroke an iphone 4 and an iphone 3GS, and installed rsap-server on both.

The iphone 4 worked out of the box.
The phone's signal is turned off, and the car gets to make it's own connection. Once it's done so, calls and online services work fine.
The only place where there's an issue is contacts.
I've just this second realised why: The contacts aren't *on* the SIM, I don't think, and the car is only using RSAP.
That's not a massive issue. It's easy to switch to standard bluetooth to transfer contacts.
DIDN'T think to test streaming music from the phone, but I intend to use AMI mostly anyway.

As for the 3GS: Whilst we could get it working (albeit haltingly), and the online services worked,
we get disconnected from the phone, and it seems to not want to reconnect.
I currently believe this is an issue with btstack, because the btstack icon disappears.

This isn't exhaustive, but it does show immense promise for iphone 4 users.

Timothy will attempt this same process on a spare iphone 4S he has, and see how it goes with the A5 system (A5 the apple processor, not A5 the audi car).

Note: We're stuck with iOS 5.0.1 right now, because 5.1 isn't jailbroken untethered yet.

Gareth

**bett123** · 16-03-2012,04:25 PM

Well done guys. As an iPhone 4s user, I'm watching this with great interest.

**Timothy Nathan** · 16-03-2012,04:50 PM

On the way home from gbjk, I switched off the Auto-Lock, which had been on 1 Minute (about the time it had taken to fail on each occasion), so it is now on "Never".

The phone then worked perfectly on rSAP for the rest of the (30 min) journey.

I cannot say that the two are related, but that is my current guess.

The BTStack on the 3GS very difficult to handle, as it locks up when you change mode, so I haven't tried the phone book download yet, but when I get a moment I will and report back.

This is looking hopeful.

Many thanks to Gareth, who has done all the hard work.

**Timothy Nathan** · 16-03-2012,09:58 PM

I have put step by step instructions on the A6 Forum.

**jakerade** · 06-04-2012,07:54 AM

I have to commend you guys on your persistence.

I had a new A6 loan car with all the gear last summer and i could see no way this was ever going to work properly with a normal phone (eg iphone or similar), told my dealer accordingly and he agreed!

I messed around with the fabled Audi rsap adapter a couple of years ago with Windows Mobile and it was nothing but a pain in the **** causing the phone to crash when it switched modes, defaulting to HF mode only etc etc. Audi said they would release an update for it but I believe it is still on version 1.0....

I really dont know why Audi continues to mess around with RSAP when its a relatively dead technology which very few of the phone manufacturers support. Even the new Nokia Lumia does not support RSAP

http://www.nokia.com/gb-en/support/t...FA138180_en_US

What they should have put in the arm rest was some sort of re-radiating pad for a signal and a USB point you could charge your phone from and allowed the car to use data services over bluetooth (like you can with a laptop...)

I connected my HTC Android phone (no RSAP) to a 3 series Beemer with Pro Nav the other day and all the google search stuff just worked out of the box.

Any way good work and keep up the pressure

**Timothy Nathan** · 06-04-2012,07:59 AM

You may not be aware that we have now also discovered that, even if the services work on an rSAP Nokia, or with the SIM plugged directly into the dash, they do not work on the Vodafone network!

It is even worse than you think!

**jakerade** · 06-04-2012,08:06 AM

According to http://www.android-rsap.com/, Samsung have removed RSAP from the version 4 release of their firmware and you need to use the Android RSAP program instead (which requires rooting the phone......)

Can't confirm or deny but thought it was worth mentioning before anyone rushes out to buy one!