struggling with AMI part numbers

Hi guys,

I know there's loads of posts already about AMI but I'm struggling to work out the part numbers I need.

According to the car data print out from Audi I have "7T2 Nav Low" ""8DP Radio Low II" and "7A6 CD player/Changer".

In the glove box I have a dvd drive with two sd card slots and a cd changer.

I want to replace the CD changer with an AMI.

I take it I don't need optical bridge cables?

Will I need vag-com?

and what is the part no for the AMI that will just slot in?

any help greatly aprreciated

If you have MMI High (Large colour screen) above the centre airvents AMI will work, you may need to update your FW version.

If you have Basic or Basic+ AMI cannot be fitted

AMI will be a straight swap with the CD changer if you have High and your FW is new enough.

That is me guessing you have a pre-facelift car.

Facelift cars are different, you need activation with Audi.

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Originally Posted by revver

In the glove box I have a dvd drive with two sd card slots and a cd changer.

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You have MMI 3G ...

Oops - reading too quick!

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Originally Posted by gupsterg

You have MMI 3G ...

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On that note, AMI is wired directly into the 5F unit. Jon said it's easy but I'm pretty sure you need some sort of activation dongle/update from Audi to enable the feature.

You can keep your changer as AMI is located on the roof of the glovebox and only the port is showing, unlike the 2G where its a seperate box.

thanks for the quick reply.

I don't think it's MMI high as the nav is DVD based.
I don't know what you mean by basic or basic+?

I have a face lift car.

See above ;)

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Originally Posted by A6_Chris

Oops - reading too quick!



On that note, AMI is wired directly into the 5F unit. Jon said it's easy but I'm pretty sure you need some sort of activation dongle/update from Audi to enable the feature.

You can keep your changer as AMI is located on the roof of the glovebox and only the port is showing, unlike the 2G where its a seperate box.

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sorry Chris, what's a "5f" unit?

I (think) its like the central hub where all your entertainment features live and where your MMI features work from.

A handy thread would be to look here ipod confusion audi models

Jon covered most models from memory on that thread, also look at his started threads as he's commented on it in the past.

i've just seen Audi A6 AMI retrofit - YouTube which has the same setup as my car, so it can be done if I had the part numbers.......

You're looking at the £200+ mark

Genuine Audi AMI (Audi Music Interface) Retro-fit Kit for MMI 3G - A6 A8 RS6 | eBay

thanks Chris

Kuaftec do a kit for £320 ish ... which includes:-

• Activation will be automatically completed once you plug in the OBD-diagnostic interface
• Re-usable diagnostic interface (only for one vehicle)

Link:- AMI Audi Music Interface - Retrofit - Audi A6 4F w/ MMI 3G-36739-1_M

If the kuaftec kit include such a thing do you think AMI 3G can be activated by VCDS Chris?

That kit looks the same as the eBay one, plus thats an OBD thing so it could well be enabled via VCDS.

I know the coding is limited for the 5F so this is where the confusion may lay. Ideally we need someone to see if the AMI is an option within the 5F.

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Originally Posted by revver

Hi guys,

I know there's loads of posts already about AMI but I'm struggling to work out the part numbers I need.

According to the car data print out from Audi I have "7T2 Nav Low" ""8DP Radio Low II" and "7A6 CD player/Changer".

In the glove box I have a dvd drive with two sd card slots and a cd changer.

I want to replace the CD changer with an AMI.

I take it I don't need optical bridge cables?

Will I need vag-com?

and what is the part no for the AMI that will just slot in?

any help greatly aprreciated

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You may be able to drag some info here - Definitive Dension Gateway 500 A6 MMI Install - AudiWorld Forums

genuinevwaudiparts.com

Confirming AMI self install is quite possible--succeeded today on first try. Lots of info inside... - Page 4 - AudiWorld Forums

Need to verify AMI part numbers.....please read inside... - AudiWorld Forums

Hi Roy :) ...

All those links are for MMI 2G they will confuse OP/thread ...

I have part no's for MMI 3G ...

I may have a guide but just holding onto info to suss the coding side/requirements ...

Regards
G

from looking at the ebay link the part number is 4F0051960.

I've not been able to find much about the part but have emailed the seller to ask for more information, specifically re coding and install.

From the picture it looks like the cable doesn't use optical connectors.

Woops.........sorry folks.:Blush2:

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Originally Posted by gupsterg

Hi Roy :) ...

All those links are for MMI 2G they will confuse OP/thread ...

I have part no's for MMI 3G ...

I may have a guide but just holding onto info to suss the coding side/requirements ...

Regards
G

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G, can you let me know when/if you get it sussed? I will post on here when I get any info.

There is a fly in the ointment :( ...

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Originally Posted by a8 tech

ami is now interrogated into 5f media unit so depending on your 5f control unit version you may require a new unit which incorporates the AMI then enable the function

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Do you have VCDS revver?

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Originally Posted by gupsterg

There is a fly in the ointment :( ...



Do you have VCDS revver?

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I don't, i was planning to go and see Dean at Autodeutsch (in Manchester UK) to get some coding done so I could ask him to look up the control unit.

Get a faull auto scan of the car printed out or emailed to yourself and post it up here so we can see the hw/sw revisions ;)

I don't have MMI 3G :( but Roy does & he has VCDS :) ...

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Originally Posted by royclark

Address 5F: Information Electr. Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Control Module Part Number: 4E0 035 652 A HW: 4E0 035 652
Component and/or Version: B-BN-EU H47 0048
Software Coding: 010101010102C3FD43000F0DEF7300030001
Work Shop Code: WSC 00779 210 97010
VCID: 1F47CC660EC4E5E0386

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So hardware Part no/rev in blue , software part no/rev in red ...

So Roy do you have AMI? regardless of answer does your module support the coding for AMI?

If you don't mind and have time can you check relevant module for coding/adaptations/drop down boxes/helper balloons, etc, etc ...

Roy has a 2009 vs revver's 2010 , if Roy's support it then revver's should in theory as it is newer and will have newer 5f/software...

TIA
G

is this of any help to you guys, copy of my 5F, it includes integrated subsystems.

Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Part No SW: 4E0 035 666 D HW: 4E0 035 666 C
Component: H-BN-EU H49 0107
Revision: -------- Serial number: 454F40A7557577
Coding: 010101000002E3ED01000315EF6300030001
Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
VCID: 2759B6F656F6351

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 R
Component: EUR 2010 1107

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8F0 919 604 HW: 8F0 919 604
Component: DU7 High H42 0094

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 609 E HW: 4F2 919 611 M
Component: Bedienteil MM H01 0060

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961
Component: CD-Database 1886

No fault code found.

Do you have VCDS?

If so, a few screendumps for the long coding helper for the 5F would help ;)

P/N for lead is 4F1 971 086 B approx. £175 @ dealer ...

P/N for port trim in the glove box is 4F0 035 909 approx. £4 @ dealer ...

Next method ...

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Originally Posted by a8 tech

same process for all supported 5f units with 3g and 3g+ and the lead 4f0 035 909 is long enough to go in the centre console if you so wish

ami lead part number 4f0 035 909 (just check to make sure the securing clip comes with the lead to locate the dock in the glove box)

this lead plugs direct into the 5f control unit so no need to splice wires etc

the glove box has a pre cut position so you can remove the glove box find the pre cut and push the insert out and locate the ami ipod dock

then plug the ami lead into the ami and refit the glove box

now you need to access the hidden menu in address 5f

select address 5f

select adaption 10 channel 6 and set the value to 1 and save

now reboot the mmi using the softkeys

when the mmi comes back on press and hold set up and car until the green menu comes on

scroll down find diagnosis and enter then select settings and then scroll down to ami set this to 7/8

come out of the green screen and reboot mmi

now test the ami

total cost around £170

IMPORTANT

Any software updates will wipe the function so you need to reapply the changes if your vehicle has any dealer updates

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We just need to suss which versions of 5F support AMI ...

are you sure about the part numbers?

PM an external email address ... then you can decide ...

PM sent

I think I can go to TPS/Audi parts dep with the part numbers and normally they can tell me which is suitable for my car

TPS (in most cases) won't serve you as you aren't trade (unless you are)

Audi parts dept will get all parts via your VIN.

TPS always serve me!


They can do a "reverse search"

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Originally Posted by A6_Chris

Do you have VCDS?

If so, a few screendumps for the long coding helper for the 5F would help ;)

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had a look but it's not much use......there's nothing in the long code helper relating to media input/interfaces.

Press the 'down arrow' on your keyboard and on that screen and it will move along the bytes ;)

I know, nothing there relating to media just other MMI menu stuff......

Ahh okay.

Are there many blank spaces? Ie tick boxes but with no text beside them?

From memory I don't recall seeing any without text. TBH I don't think VCDS has access to the subsystems within the 5F, unless someone knows how?

Edit... just googled some of the subsystem part numbers and they're just switch panels and map data so maybe we're looking in the wrong place for AMI and similar??

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Originally Posted by revver

PM sent

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Thank you, not at that PC now ... will send info tomorrow :) ...

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Originally Posted by c4a5er

From memory I don't recall seeing any without text. TBH I don't think VCDS has access to the subsystems within the 5F, unless someone knows how?

Edit... just googled some of the subsystem part numbers and they're just switch panels and map data so maybe we're looking in the wrong place for AMI and similar??

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From instructions (Link:- post 25)

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Originally Posted by a8 tech

now you need to access the hidden menu in address 5f

select address 5f

select adaption 10 channel 6 and set the value to 1 and save

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Above step is to enable hidden menu in MMI 3G via VCDS ...

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Originally Posted by a8 tech

now reboot the mmi using the softkeys

when the mmi comes back on press and hold set up and car until the green menu comes on

scroll down find diagnosis and enter then select settings and then scroll down to ami set this to 7/8

come out of the green screen and reboot mmi

now test the ami

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Now the bold text is the element to enable AMI via the green/service menu not VCDS ... from my own meddling in green/service menu of MMI 2G you can change coding/adaptations in other modules of car ...

Only way c4a5er you will know if its a coding change or adaption is to scan codings/adaptions with and without AMI enabled and compare, if there are no labels/helper balloons to tell us in VCDS ...

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Originally Posted by gupsterg

I don't have MMI 3G :( but Roy does & he has VCDS :) ...



So hardware Part no/rev in blue , software part no/rev in red ...

So Roy do you have AMI? regardless of answer does your module support the coding for AMI?

If you don't mind and have time can you check relevant module for coding/adaptations/drop down boxes/helper balloons, etc, etc ...

Roy has a 2009 vs revver's 2010 , if Roy's support it then revver's should in theory as it is newer and will have newer 5f/software...

TIA
G

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I do have AMI.

If you don't mind and have time can you check relevant module for coding/adaptations/drop down boxes/helper balloons, etc, etc ...

How do I get to this information?

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Originally Posted by royclark

I do have AMI.

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Great :) ...
Do not enable/disable AMI meddling owner friends :beerchug:...

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Originally Posted by a8 tech

IMPORTANT

Any software updates will wipe the function so you need to reapply the changes if your vehicle has any dealer updates

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We will now look at 5F software/hardware part no/revs ...

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Originally Posted by gupsterg

I don't have MMI 3G :( but Roy does & he has VCDS :) ...



So hardware Part no/rev in blue , software part no/rev in red ...

So Roy do you have AMI? regardless of answer does your module support the coding for AMI?

If you don't mind and have time can you check relevant module for coding/adaptations/drop down boxes/helper balloons, etc, etc ...

Roy has a 2009 vs revver's 2010 , if Roy's support it then revver's should in theory as it is newer and will have newer 5f/software...

TIA
G

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This is my 5f recording before I had a fault code.

Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels: 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Part No SW: 4E0 035 652 A HW: 4E0 035 652
Component: B-BN-EU H47 0048
Revision: -------- Serial number: 349A-097506098
Coding: 010101010102C3ED01000305EF6300030001
Shop #: WSC 00779 210 97010
VCID: 1F47CC660EC4E5E0386
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 4L0 919 604 HW: 4L0 919 604
Component: DU6 Basic H43 0306
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4F0 910 609 E HW: 4F2 919 611 H
Component: Bedienteil MM H01 0060
No fault code found.

Sound.

Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 4F0 035 223 P HW: 4F0 035 223 P
Component: BOSE G3 C6 H01 0100
Revision: AG001300 Serial number: 00000000002161
Coding: 0F010000
Shop #: WSC 02391 823 56573
VCID: 2953D2BE40801B50562
No fault code found.

Thanks for that Roy :) ...

We now need revver's info once he has a scan ...

I'm being cautious with information as I do not wish anyone to have any issues from meddling ...

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Originally Posted by a8 tech

IMPORTANT

Any software updates will wipe the function so you need to reapply the changes if your vehicle has any dealer updates

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I have misinterpreted this section of A8 Tech's instructions :Blush2: ...

What it means is that if you do the AMI MMI 3G retrofit DIY @ home when you go for a dealer software update which is MMI related it will be undone and you will need to recode it again ...

This occurs due to how when car is plugged into VAS and communication occurs between it and VAG server it will recode car to what it had out of factory, ie no AMI ...