As the titlle suggests. Is there anything that can be done to prevent them failing?
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As the titlle suggests. Is there anything that can be done to prevent them failing?
The only thing I can think of is the possibility that they get some muck in them, and then burn out working too hard.
Yes that is what I would imagine but it seems a common thing on the passat.
Touching wood now :D:D I have never had a failed injector, I always use millers ever fill up with shell diesel. Also I never let it run below 1/4 of a tank.
Fingers crossed I will prevent failure then :beerchug:.
Rumour suggests it is siemens PD injectors that fail due to an internal electrical malfunction. If people who had them replaced posted on here. Which type of injector it was, we could find out more.
Hope so. Also any way to tell you have these fitted vin etc....Quote:
Originally Posted by martin1810
Rappy
This company claims they can repair PD injectors (amongst other things), although I've only read it on their web site, so may or may not be correct.
http://www.feather-diesel.co.uk/cont...air/repair.php
As far as I can tell all passat 2.0 tdi engines are fitted with siemens piezo pd injectors. I think they can only be repaired by the manufacturer. Unless anyone knows different. The 170 hp has a slightly different injector to the others.
The BKP PD 140 engines are the worst for them. Late 05 and early 06 are the worst offender. After researching all over the world when mine went, I found it seemed to be the colder conditions got them. Mine went on a cold morning at 65mph on the motorway with snow on the hardshoulder! Scary :s
But yes seems to be an electrical problem cause the wiring loom usually needs replaced at the same time (about £60)
Once I get mine replaced, I think I'll stay in the habit of using Millers in every tankful, in an attempt to prevent any more failing on me.
Its a real shame that this engine has issues like this, because its a belter when its running - I just hope that this will be my one and only experience of this.
I doubt a fuel additive will help. (But it's a nice placebo). The injector control is piezo crystal like some electric lighters but backwards. On the lighter you squash the crystal and electrikery comes out to light the gas. On the injector you put electric stuff in and the crystal expand to close the valve. I believe it is this bit that fails.
Is there any benefit to be had from an additive then (apart from the placebo effect)?
Therefore, replacing the wiring loom as a preventative would be pointless?
I have used Millers for well over 2 yrs. And I can only report on my findings. Car is smoother and mpg is improved. And I've never had an injector fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat controller
Even Mrs Rappy knows when I put in her car. " When are you putting that fuel thingy back in my car":biglaugh::biglaugh::D:D
It wont give massive bhp or mpg improvements but enough to justify putting it in.
Around £10-£12 a bottle and treats 10x 50 litre tanks or in my case a lot less as I always use a double dose every other fill up :approve::approve::approve::approve:
Im thinking of adding additives aswell..read on Autocar that the Commas one was the best but also read on this forum and another that Millers works a treat..
One thing that confuses me as ive never added additives is how do you do it?
Do you add it before you fill up or after? and do you add it straight away or can you drive home and do it then?
Also how do you measure how much to put? I only fill £40 worth of Shell diesel each time as it usually lasts me a long time so dont bother with a full tank..but I always fill up as soon as the car goes 'ding time to fill up son'
Thanks in advance for any advice
Welcome crackman :D:D:D
On the millers theres is marks on the side of the nozzle. You simple squart up the amount you want and hey presto pour in and job done.
I always fill up with the millers at home just before i need to fill up. Reason being the millers stinks out your boot.
One bottle treats 10 50 litre tanks.
I rather stupidly lodged my bottle in the passenger door pocket - kept smelling the blighter as I was driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by rapport25
To be honest the older version diesel sport 4 would stink the car out even more. The only plus was there wasn't the stupid filler neck like the one you get on the new euro bottle :mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by fat controller
Off topic, hope you get your car sorted fat controller.
Thanks for the support rapport :)
I must admit to being seriously gutted when it failed on Monday evening, and a failure so soon after buying it brought all those feelings of dread as I wondered if I had bought a pig in a poke. The thing is, in every other way, it is such a lovely car, so I am trying to look at it the other way now - its had an injector go, and before long there will be a new one nestling in there, so its hopefully one less to worry about.
Points to the dealer that I bought it from - we've managed to reach a swift compromise to getting it sorted, so my pocket isn't going to be hammered to badly.
Pleased to hear it :D:D:D keep your chin up. I have said this many times before. The passat is the best car I have owned so far :Blush2::Blush2::Blush2:.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat controller
The plan with mine is service every 10k and use millers.
Heres to all ther BKP drivers :beerchug: :biglaugh::biglaugh:. The passat is a dam good car (runs and takes cover) :biglaugh::biglaugh:
loll yes the passat is a very good car when everything is running smoothly..but when you hear of other peoples faults you do get abit wary..
I mean on mine i think the turbo vanes are sticking and i also think i need to fix me cv joint as theres this silly grinding noise when going over humps but apart from that its lovely..
One last question regarding Millers..I fill up about £40 worth so thats roughly hmm 34-36 litres of diesel..how much additive should i put then? and is it best to add before you feul up or straight after?
Add before you fill. There are markings on the side so you can fill up the correct amount no problem.
Hth, Rappy :approve:
Cheers Rappy..feel sorry for anyone waiting behind me in the diesel station they are gonna have abit of a wait lol
Right been searching for Millers and on Halfords theres one called Millers Diesel Power and when searchin on ebay theres one called Millers Diesel EcoMax so which is the one to get?
If the 170 has different injectors I wonder if any forum member has had an injector fail on their 170. Have had a quick scan around those people who have had failures but haven't seen a 170 failure. Perhaps my 170 wont die next week after all :DQuote:
Originally Posted by martin1810
Ok, I've been searching all night but to no avail. Can you guys assist
1. Why can the electronic part of the Siemens injector not be re-conditioned?
2. Why is this injector so, so, so expensive? I can't seem to find the actual Siemens part of the company that develop these else I'd see if we can by-pass our parts stores.
Note: Worrying about the BKP injectors is not good for your health :biglaugh:
The piezo injectors are a joint VAG/Siemens project. They even started a new company to make them. As far as I know Siemens do not sell them as an aftermarket part. VW quote two prices for the injectors. One is full price and one is exchange. This suggests that siemens can repair the electronics. As far as I am aware no one else can because Siemens don't supply the parts.
Guessed as much. They have the monopoly so can charge whatever they want :(:(:(Quote:
Originally Posted by martin1810
On the subject of injectors, I have owned my passsat for just over 6 mths now and in that time I have had this fault pop up 3 times. Once around 2-3mths ago and once last saturday and today.
This is not first thing in the morning. This is after the car has already been driven for over 30 mins and then try to restart it.
Try to start car it cuts out and flashes up on the dash engine workshop fault with glow plug flashing :(:( Remove key and try to start and it fires up fine.
Am I officially about to join the BKP Club of failed injectors? :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:.
I replaced an injector on my 170BHP 2 months ago ( the body had broken). Cost £325 pounds with £70 back when I returned the old one, fitted it myself.
Stevew14, have you got Siemens or Bosch injectors? Where did you buy it from?
Rapport25, that's harsh luck, unlucky. Welcome to the worlds worst club!
All 2.0 PD tdi engines use siemens injectors. Bosch ones are only used on the 1.9 PD tdi.
I have a dead Siemens injector if anyone fancies carrying out a post mortem at some stage, maybe we could all benefit from it?
Looks like I have just blown my second injector in 6months. Gutted.
Same thing as last time. On the motorway, at about 65mph. Only this time it went into limp mode and didn't cut out completely. Then after about 10 seconds it cut out, fortunately as I was on the slip ramp coming of home.
I managed to coast about 1/4 mile in to a car park where I now await my brother to tow me home. Car would start bit will soon cut out and now it doesn't start at all.
Love my Passat, but the engine is pure crap. Gutted
If I get one dead, I will be shifting the car on asap, I'm already planning to get rid of it tbh, this car is a total turkey imo, mine shows the beginings of the problems, and I ain't gonna get caught holding the baby, last VAG car for me methinks, I'm off to the rising sun next, VAG absolutely suck tbh, I knew it whe I owned the Skoda, and I let the fact that the 1.9 was so reliable cloud me into buying this, but nearly 3 litres of oil in, I'm looking to cut and run.
Alarm bells are ringing now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:.Quote:
Originally Posted by g-black
Just to let you all know I have emailed watchdog about the injectors as i believed mine were on the way out. Fingers crossed not yet :Blush2::Blush2:
Watch this space...............................Rappy :approve::approve::approve:
DSG4ME same here. One injector is one injector to many in my book unless we can get VW to pay :Blush2::Blush2::Blush2: read my previous reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSG4ME
As for the oil use I cant comment. Mine has not lost drop. Guys keep your receipts as we all might be on tv soon :Blush2::Blush2: (Watchdog)
I guess we are talking Toyota here?:Blush2::Blush2: If I change it will will be for a 5 series BMW diesel.
Yes please. I would love to have a look at the electonics.Quote:
Originally Posted by fat controller
Great, thanks Martin :D:D:D:D:D. I would love to understand why there is a failure on the injectors . As I can guess many on here would.Quote:
Originally Posted by martin1810
Would you be interested in joining myself and a few others when Watchdog ask for information relating to the passat's issues. :Blush2::Blush2::Blush2::biglaugh:
If you can get them interested do it Rappy, it's time VAG were taken to book over certain issues, and at £600+ per inj they should be paying for the lot imo.
Dont worry they will be interested :D:D:D I will be emailing them again this week if I dont get a reply :D:D:D. I think I will need to add oil use as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by DSG4ME
Rappy :approve::approve:
I can't join. Mines a 1.9 tdi and it never goes wrong.:D Of course it will now. :biglaugh: