2.0 TDI BLB Engine Oil pump failure

[PaulGardner]

Hi all,

On my fourth Audi and concerned that they 'don't make em like they used to !'

- My Oil pump has just gone in my '55 plate' A4 at about 97,000 miles and I now know of another 6 that have gone at a similar time in various Passat's & Audi's with this 2.0ltr TDI Engine.

Unfortunately, my local Audi dealaship have informed the that the parts alone will cost nearly 9k & so effectively the car is a right off with no residual value & no recompence to my Insurance.

- Just wondered if any other forum members have suffered the same problem so that I can gauge the scale of this problem and if any one has any idea's of the best way to get the car back on the road ASAP.

Apparently it needs a new engine, turbo & exhaust system as a minimum !!

P

[zenonek]

Yep, i got it now, but i have found the problem before the mechanism gone, was very noisy. Dealers ask for nearly 1000 FOR PARTS and 7 hours labour, £115/hour. Sad..

[Isoproturon]

Yep, i got it now, but i have found the problem before the mechanism gone, was very noisy. Dealers ask for nearly 1000 FOR PARTS and 7 hours labour, £115/hour. Sad..

Hi,

What were the symptoms? If you could email me ASAP please ce.glover@tiscali.co.uk it would be much appreciated.

Tonight, mine sounded really noisy when I got home. When trying to restart, it runs for a minute then cuts off. Same when I tried a second time. I have given up trying to prevent damage.

[BVR.Automotive]

Oil pump failure is common on the 2.0TDI.

Either the shaft driving the pump from the balance shaft rounds off or the balance shaft drive gears eat themselves.

Pretty sure VWG UK are aware of the problem and have been for some time

Dave

[Deri2]

I have the same problem. 05/55 A4/2.0 tdi 140, BLB engine, 100k. Low oil pressure warning yesterday, towed in to Audi, so far 5hrs labour to inspect, the turbo has gone and there are also engine problems that are not yet clear.
I will keep you up to speed, but would be interested in how you are resolving the failure and whether Audi contribute.
This is my 5th Audi and I have done several hundred thousand miles in them over the last 25 years. I still have the 4th - a 1999 A4 1.9 tdi which has covered 230k. I likewise have not had previous significant problems.

[pepsome]

Hi,

05 A4 avant 20.tdi, with 93K, engine type is BLB

I have the same issue...low oil pressure warning light, noisy rattling engine. Local garage has just diagnosed oil pump balancer shaft assembly....£800 for the part and another £500 to fit......ouch.

Audi UK are not interested and advise that at 5 years old and 'above av mileage' that it's my problem even tho its got a FSH at main dealers. I'd also dispute the av mileage thing for users of the A4

I'd be interested to find if this is a common problem, this is the worst car i've ever owned , I've had loads of problems inc a air con compressor failure last year which was going to be a £700 part until I managed to find one on ebay

[hagis]

I was reading a copy of Audi Driver (or something similar) a couple of months back and there was an article about this. They said what a stupid design it was as the old pump design worked perfectly and the shaft system is an accident waiting to happen.

[PaulGardner]

Do you have a copy of the artical ?

[hagis]

Sorry, I don't. It was in garage's waiting room.

Maybe you could find it on their web site:

http://www.audidrivermag.co.uk/

[JIGGY C]

Welcome to the forums! Enjoy

[weggie]

I have just been told my tdi needs a modification from a chain drive to a gear drive for oil pump, with noisy and rattly engine. mechanic suggested asking for goodwill from main dealer. Was told same as you 1000 for parts plus 6 hrs time from my own mechanic. What did you eventualy do?

[NathanA]

Could any BLB owner who has had or is having this fault, please email me details of what has happened, costs and what Audi/dealership has said.

I am compiling information on as many cases as I can lay my hands on to try and tackle Audi over this. I may not get anywhere but I can try.

Email: nathan dot mailing at ntlworld dot com

A thread over on audi-sport.net is being updated as and when I get more info.


Regards


Nathan

[Deri2]

I have tried on many occasions to reply but my lack of computer knowledge has not allowed me to sent what I have typed.any assistance would be appreciated as i wish to repond to Nathan . and pepsome + others.

[Deri2]

Nathan .
My cost was £ 4000 after drive hexagonal shaft 8mm across rounded on top 20mm failing to drive the oil pump. Turbo failure, new short engine, etc... Audi allowed -20% to Achieve this figure. I am currently pursuing the supplier of the car who was not really the responsible party but legally liable. I can be contacted on 01359242220.
I do feel that this is an Audi problem.

Deri

[NathanA]

Chaps, something else that could help, just found this on the VOSA website, there is a page about vehicle recalls and it states:

"If you believe you have experienced a safety defect due to a deficiency in the design or construction of your automotive product, please contact VOSA on 0117 9543300 or complete a report form or email vsb@vosa.gov.uk so that we may assess whether or not we can take the matter forward."

I suggest those people that have had/having the problem MUST contact them. As far as I am concerned it is a safety aspect if you are travelling on the motorway at 70mpg and the chain tensioner breaks. Because this tensioner is never checked in a service schedule then it's likely to snap at some point.

The relevant page is:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/onlineservices/vehiclerecalls/vehiclerecalls.htm

The link includes a reporting form. I'd use it myself but can't provide any photographs or details as I haven't had the issue....yet.

Please, please can people who have had this problem contact them.

[VetRuth]

Looking for some help ..... sounds like i have the same problem with oil pump failure in 05 s line Avant ..... audi say is a known problem but quoting me 9K for new engine. This is a complete nightmare has anyone come up with any kind of viable solution to this problem. Any help much appreciated audi couldn't have been less helpful and i am at a bit of a loss! :(

[Deri2]

Hallo vetruth
I believe that your only route may be via the sale of goods act. You can discuss this with Trading standards who operate under the name ' Consuer Direct ' telephone 01438 737460. They are very helpful.
Your contract is with the person or company that sold the car to you. your easiest period is within 6mths of purchase, but your entitlement to claim under the 'Faulty goods Sale of Goods Act 1979 ( as amended )' remains open for 6years after purchase.

It is a longer slot and you may have to go to court to suceed. The small claims court will I believe deal with claims up to £6,000 and cost are minimal, but you have to work at it. I am not there yet and my bill last year was over £4,000.

I trust this helps.

[weggie]

Looking for some help ..... sounds like i have the same problem with oil pump failure in 05 s line Avant ..... audi say is a known problem but quoting me 9K for new engine. This is a complete nightmare has anyone come up with any kind of viable solution to this problem. Any help much appreciated audi couldn't have been less helpful and i am at a bit of a loss! :(

A few questions, I assume that your chain has already snapped, the reason i ask is that they, as the evil ones! are quoting 9K.
if chain is snapped then it could be engine re-build, other people have done this and been about 4 -5k.

I also got quotes of other companies for engine rebuild from Indies ranging from 1500 to 2k. i have some details if you want them.

I also suggest you read posts on http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?81997-2-0-TDI-oil-pump-balance-shaft-failure/page2

I added a few about the engine re-build route


if chain has not snapped and you only have engine rattle then usually they say they replace the oil chain drive to gear driven, this tends to be 2K. alternatively do what i did and replace chain, not fool proof but will give me 40 - 50 k miles. Cost me 500 but i did myself and i did timing belt also. This is 350 alone at Audi

[NathanA]

To further these problems with the oil balancer shafts, could those of you have actually had the fault contact me with your VIN, production date of car (if known) and the mileage at time of the fault. Unfortunately I need these specifics to push these cases further.

Contact me on the email address on one of the posts above.


Nathan (fingers crossed)

[Deri2]

To NathanA
It was the hexagonal drive shaft to the oil pump that failed, due I suspect to being insufficiently hardened in manufacture. The sides of the hexagon rounded for about 20mm of the 80mm length of the shaft thereby failing to provide drive into the pump.

Vin. WAUZZZ8E16A075467.
First reg. 25.11.2005.
Engine no. BLB 122666.
Mileage at failure 101,000.


Deri.

[Deri2]

To NathanA

Feel free to call me on 01359 242220, or email deri@digital detail.co.uk.

I hope to take this to the small claims court in future and this can be helped by reference to other instances.

[bigphil101]

To NathanA

Feel free to call me on 01359 242220, or email deri@digital detail.co.uk.

I hope to take this to the small claims court in future and this can be helped by reference to other instances.
Hello all,
I'm new here but have the same dirt bag BLB engine. I'm just waiting for AUDI to Quote me on the price.
My suggestion is if we can get enough of us together we should all get in touch with WATCHDOG they usually gets things sorted.
There was the case of the renault clios with bonnetts popping open at 70 mph, they got that sorted.

Please email me and pass the word around and lets get this sorted once and for all

Phil

[Samtex9]

Hi Everyone, this thread has been a shock to me as i was about to purchase and A4 2.0TDI S-Line because of Audi's build quality.

Can you tell me if this is just on the BLB engines or on both BLB or BNB engines?

[redmen78]

hi ive been searching the forums for a clue to what is wrong with my car think ive found it !!!
i own an 07 a3 2.0 tdi with 30.000 on it recently ive noticed a strange sucking noise coming from the engine that gradually gets worse and turns into a loud rattle that gets worse the higher the revs, if i turn the car off and leave it the noise goes sometimes for weeks then comes back,it sounds like they is no oil in the top of the engine but the dip stick is showing full.they is no warning lights on at anytime.could this be the oil pump or the balance shaft ?????

[bigphil101]

Hello,

Just got my car back from and audi speacialist and had an oil balance shaft fitted. Audi wanted £2000 to do this job DO NOT GET AUDI TO DO THIS JOB.
I bought a later type oil balance shaft off ebay for £200. I got this fitted and had a new cambelt kit and water pump and a service for £900. I know its still alot of money but compared to what some people are shelling out its a bloody bargain. Make sure you go to an Audi speacialist as they do know what they are doing rather than a little local garage. It will cost you a fortune in labour as its about 8 hours for an audi mechanic to do this job.

If anyone is in the essex area and needs this job doing email me and i'll pass on the details to you.

Phil

[Bluered]

Hi,

Bought a 55 Reg. 2.0L Tdi, A4 Avant in January and have had the same trouble. Got a low oil pressure fault and brought it to the mechanic to have it diagnosed. Firstly, was told the turbo was gone and after further investigation found the oil pump and shaft were damaged. In the process of getting it fixed but the quotes are astronomical to have the works carried out.

Will pass on VIN number to help in any cause to get this sorted.

[scottratt]

i have had same problem my oil light is on but there is oil in but as yet have had no problems, been driving it for a couple of weeks but have just found out what the problem may be.

can anyone tell me how much it is likely to cost to fix, like i say had no problems yet with it just the warning light

[bigphil101]

Yeah i think i would of stopped driving it a couple of weeks ago when the oil light came. Even though its still running you dont know how much damage it is doing. Get it checked now and stop driving it.

[scottratt]

mine is a 56 model dont know how much difference that will make, oil has always been fine, even had it serviced yesterday and its still on, maehanic seems to think its the sensor

[bigphil101]

What is the engine code. This can be found on the cam belt cover at the front of the engine.

[scottratt]

its a bre engine, just had a new switch put on and a full service but the light is still coming on, its the orange light not the red any ideas?

[bigphil101]

You should not suffer the same fate as us as our engines have blb engine code. But its definatley worth getting the oil pump checked.

[scottratt]

have checked another link who said it might be the sensor inthe bonnet not resetting the system so have disconected the battery and so far the light has stayed off, fingers crossed

[Bluered]

My engine code is a BRE. I know that it isn't the code that is being talked about but at the moment it stands at 2200 euro. That includes a re-conditioned turbo and an upgrade for the balance shaft. Got the parts for the shaft at an Audi garage but getting a local mechanic to fit them. Hopefully have it back on the road today after several weeks.:biglaugh:

[JB007]

I don't know if to be happy or sad to hear of this 'common problem'

I have a 2007 A4 2.0 Spec Ed TDI 170BHP (110k miles) I've had it from new from the dealer and just had the low oil pressure problem. I started it in the morning, drove 100 yard and the warning light came on, stopped and called Audi assist - they recovered me back to my local dealership who informed me i was three weeks out of warranty but they could look at it in two weeks time.!! I was called after two weeks for authorisation for them to spend two hours stripping the sump (at £120PH) after stripping the sump no problem was found and Audi instructed the dealers to further strip the engine. I have now been told that it needs a new balance shaft, turbo, sump and gaskets - parts plus labour £4k but due to been just out of warranty they will do it for £1.7k - now the best bit - they cannot guarantee that after this work i shall still not need a new engine:aargh4:

Previous problem - EGR Valve failure at 90MPH on motorway, replaced under warranty.

I would like to know others thoughts, I still owe 12k on finance for this which is the killer.

Replacing the balance shaft did not work and i am now faced with the cost of a new engine.:1zhelp: I have a meeting with Audi next week to discuss the cost.

UPDATE. Audi have replaced the engine and all other required parts free of charge as a good will gesture, maybe due to me talking to them about buying another A4 although this was not a condition of the free replacement. On top of this the 2010 A4 Quattro provided by Audi Assist has been sat on my drive for the last 2 weeks while i've been on holiday. Maybe i should not have paid the £1700 and argued it was not my fault, Audi know about this fault DEFINATE. I now have a new full engine and turbo for £1700 in a very good condition car. What's the opinion of getting rid of this car now or keeping it for another 100k?

[Bluered]

That's a tough call to make!

I just coughed up 2300euro to have exactly the same work done after only buying the car in January, but my take on it is the problem appears to be happening around the hundred thousand mile mark and it will take me a long time to do another 100,000miles. So i could justify paying that amount in the hope that this problem does not occur within that time frame :confused:

I know it's not an exact answer but it justified the cost in my head!

[Bill Stackhouse]

Cheers Nathan
It sounds as if we have a great deal in common. My 5 year old, 80K miles, BLB engine fell apart, quite literally, in June when the oil pump failed. I've replaced the engine but have no intention of accepting Audi's rebuttals on all responsibility. I believe instead that a concerted programme of protest from Audi owners linked to the threat to go public based on a "fit for purpose" argument could persuade them to reconsider their responsibilities.
Frankly there are probably hundreds if not thousands of Audi owners out there who would think twice about buying Audi again if the company was known to be welching on what should have been a recall situation.

Bill


Could any BLB owner who has had or is having this fault, please email me details of what has happened, costs and what Audi/dealership has said.

I am compiling information on as many cases as I can lay my hands on to try and tackle Audi over this. I may not get anywhere but I can try.

Email: nathan dot mailing at ntlworld dot com

A thread over on audi-sport.net is being updated as and when I get more info.


Regards


Nathan