Oil Pressure. Stop Engine

[ak_wf1]

Hi

Can anybody please help. I have a VW Passat 2006, 2.0TDi 140bhp. A light has come on the dashboard which says "Oil pressure. Stop Engine" and a red symbol of a driping lamp has come on as well. Any help would be appreciated. The manual says check oil level, which is ok and if ok then take to dealers/garage.

Any body please help???? I live in Wakefield, West Yorkshire any suggestions, specialist garages etc.

Thanks :1zhelp:

[daveyboy467]

sounds like a dealer computer fix.

i bought a little computer off ebay £100 it tell you what fault codes are in ecu.. etc. and you can clear them. i'd recommend one of these as you can take it to garage knowing what to expect, or even look into it yourself..

item was VAG405 Oil Service Airbag Reset Code Reader: Audi VW (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=300317005816)

not sure of all its capability's but i like the idea of it.. for £100 good tool.

[angus]

Mine did that.

If its a 2.0TDI of 2006 vintage it is quite possibly the oil pump which has failed due to faulty case-hardening on an idler gear.
A well-known and documented fault, you will be looking at a new engine,as running with no oil pressure will render it as scrap.
Is it still under warranty?

[ak_wf1]

Mine did that.

If its a 2.0TDI of 2006 vintage it is quite possibly the oil pump which has failed due to faulty case-hardening on an idler gear.
A well-known and documented fault, you will be looking at a new engine,as running with no oil pressure will render it as scrap.
Is it still under warranty?

Thanks, no warranty left on it.......Done too much milage. Will replacing the oil pump work???

[angus]

Sorry mate, if its run for any length of time at all - and I mean ANY - it will probably have knackered the pistons. bores, and crank bearings.

How many miles has it done and has it had a VW service history?
I would be banging the door down of my local dealer as this IS a known fault, mine (2006 2.0TDI) went at 28k and the service manager didn`t even bother to walk out of the showroom to look at it, just said to receptionist "new engine - get him a car". The sister car (identical in every way and purchased on the same day) needed a new engine the day after its first service at 18K.

This affects all/any VW group units of this type so affects Audi/Skoda/Seat as well, it is down to a faulty bought-in component. I was lucky in that warranty covered it, but I think its bloody disgraceful that they aware of the problem but do nothing unless the unit fails.
As a result I won`t get another - this is my third Passat - as I have lost all faith in the company.

[Stuart W]

Cheer us up angus, why don't you :1zhelp:

[Stuart W]

Seriously, though, is there any way of taking preventative measures regarding this particular problem - short of replacing the oil pump, which would presumably cost a fortune - or any warning that might indicate impending failure?

I assume VW wouldn't be interested unless the failure actually occurred?

I think I read previously that the fault tended to occur at around my current mileage, and I'm well out of warranty and thus concerned about it.

[Spudrig]

Seriously, though, is there any way of taking preventative measures regarding this particular problem - short of replacing the oil pump, which would presumably cost a fortune - or any warning that might indicate impending failure?

I assume VW wouldn't be interested unless the failure actually occurred?

I think I read previously that the fault tended to occur at around my current mileage, and I'm well out of warranty and thus concerned about it.

Stuart, the same thing happened to a neighbour in my street, and he has around 80k on his 2.0 TDi 140. I think he didn't have to get a new engine as he stopped immediately. It happened about 2 weeks ago and I saw him driving around a few days later, so I'm just assuming his car was ok. If I see him before I head off to the US, I'll let you know what his situation was.

[Crasher]

My neighbours Passat did the same thing, he shut the engine off immediately but it still destroyed the bottom end and the turbo but thankfully he was under an extended VAG warranty. When they are failing they deliver progressively lower oil pressure so that by the time the drive rod spins and loses all pressure bringing on the light, it is way to late. It is a shamefully bad design, not just poor manufacture.

The only two preventative measures I can think of are to replace the oil pump/balancer assembly before it fails or to fit an oil pressure gauge so that you get an advanced warning, if you notice it. VAG products used to have a dual switch dynamic oil pressure warning system that went off if the oil pressure was below 1.8 bar (some were 1.4 bar) and I know countless engine this saved from serious damage. Now they depend on a 0.55 to 0.85 bar single switch system.

[ak_wf1]

Ey up....

Quick update. I took my car to VW, they quoted me £1400 to replce the fule pump, balance shaft assembly and labor. Obviously i not willing to pay that much, so i took it to my local non VW garage.

He opened the sump etc and no sludge, carbon residue, or any kind of mess. He then had a look at an allen-key like object which connects the fuel pump to one of the shafts and it was worn out from one side.

He says that allen-key like object needs replacing but whats everybodies view, should i also replce the shaft? Will that be worn out as well?
:zx11:

[Crasher]

You mean the oil pump and the whole assembly has to be replaced, balance shafts the lot-a very common problem. The balancer shaft module with oil pump and chain come to around £760 plus fitting.

[danski]

Am I right in thinking that these oil pump issues generally happen at about the 90k mark?

I`m just coming up to 80k, and after 3 new injectors and possibly a new DMF (goes in tomorrow), I dont want to be faced with another huge bill that the almighty warranty company may or may not pay for. :(

Seriously starting to think about getting rid of this car, which will be a shame as I really like the spec of it.

[Crasher]

My neighbour’s car (thankfully for him still under the VW dealer warranty) failed at 50K and took the turbo with it as well.

[Spudrig]

Stuart, the same thing happened to a neighbour in my street, and he has around 80k on his 2.0 TDi 140. I think he didn't have to get a new engine as he stopped immediately. It happened about 2 weeks ago and I saw him driving around a few days later, so I'm just assuming his car was ok. If I see him before I head off to the US, I'll let you know what his situation was.

Quick update, I was just talking to my neighbour, and he told me that the failure of the oil pump took the turbo as well, just as Crasher said in the above post

[Stuart W]

Stuart, the same thing happened to a neighbour in my street, and he has around 80k on his 2.0 TDi 140. I think he didn't have to get a new engine as he stopped immediately. It happened about 2 weeks ago and I saw him driving around a few days later, so I'm just assuming his car was ok. If I see him before I head off to the US, I'll let you know what his situation was.

Thanks, Spudrig - Kind of wish I'd gotten the 1.9 now. Or something other than a VW!




My neighbours Passat did the same thing, he shut the engine off immediately but it still destroyed the bottom end and the turbo but thankfully he was under an extended VAG warranty. When they are failing they deliver progressively lower oil pressure so that by the time the drive rod spins and loses all pressure bringing on the light, it is way to late. It is a shamefully bad design, not just poor manufacture.


The only two preventative measures I can think of are to replace the oil pump/balancer assembly before it fails or to fit an oil pressure gauge so that you get an advanced warning, if you notice it. VAG products used to have a dual switch dynamic oil pressure warning system that went off if the oil pressure was below 1.8 bar (some were 1.4 bar) and I know countless engine this saved from serious damage. Now they depend on a 0.55 to 0.85 bar single switch system.


Thanks, Crasher. Would you say that it's kind of inevitable on the 140 once it gets to high mileages (80-100k or more) or is it just a proportion of them that it happens on or a batch?

I think I read on here previously that it was just a batch that was affected, but I can't stop worrying about this now, and don't really know what to do about it.

I've still got £4k owing on the HP and when I bought the car I was hoping that it would sail past 100,000 miles and when the repayments were finished I would still have a car worth a few grand to sell or it would last for another few years after that.

[Crasher]

That is difficult to say, I am not even convinced the replacement parts are going to be immune to the problem.

[kenney]

There is an ongoing campaign for the 2lt BKP engine,Service Campaign 13D8,although,not all vehicles are affected.Might be an idea to ask your dealer,if your vehicle is affected by this campaign.

[Stuart W]

That is difficult to say, I am not even convinced the replacement parts are going to be immune to the problem.



There is an ongoing campaign for the 2lt BKP engine,Service Campaign 13D8,although,not all vehicles are affected.Might be an idea to ask your dealer,if your vehicle is affected by this campaign.


Thanks - I've got a full VW history from the same dealer, and just had the timing belt and water pump replaced, so if the oil pump thingy goes belly up and wrecks the engine and they've known about the problem and said nothing then I'll be a bit annoyed, to say the least. :aargh4:

But since the car is well out of warranty I don't suppose they owe me an legal obligation.

[Spudrig]

Thanks, Crasher. Would you say that it's kind of inevitable on the 140 once it gets to high mileages (80-100k or more) or is it just a proportion of them that it happens on or a batch?

I think I read on here previously that it was just a batch that was affected, but I can't stop worrying about this now, and don't really know what to do about it.

I've still got £4k owing on the HP and when I bought the car I was hoping that it would sail past 100,000 miles and when the repayments were finished I would still have a car worth a few grand to sell or it would last for another few years after that.

I just wonder if a new oil pump would be a solution to this, just change it as a precaution?

[danski]

I`d been thinking the same, but at over a grand as a precaution on a car that is fast depreciating....well you get my drift.

[Spudrig]

I`d been thinking the same, but at over a grand as a precaution on a car that is fast depreciating....well you get my drift.

Holy **** I didn't know that they cost that much! Maybe it's better left alone then!

[danski]

Pretty sure I read the pars are about 740, but then your labour would be a killer too.
Tho hopefully someone wil correct me :(

[Spudrig]

Pretty sure I read the pars are about 740, but then your labour would be a killer too.
Tho hopefully someone wil correct me :(

I did't really know how much they cost, that just shocked me a bit there :p

[Crasher]

Not inevitable, more probable. There is no point doing the oil pump on its own, the balancer shaft assembly must be done as well so you are talking close to £900 of parts plus a days labour.

[kenney]

An ongoing campaign covers all vehicles,if affected,no matter if the warranty is up.

[aaman]

does any one know the chassis range or the year range that is affected and is it the 2.0 140bhp tdi.

[kenney]

The dealer must check with the Service Online or Fish (VSI)system, whether the vehicle's chassis number is affected by the campaign 13D8,It is however regarding the 2lt engine

[aaman]

The dealer must check with the Service Online or Fish (VSI)system, whether the vehicle's chassis number is affected by the campaign 13D8,It is however regarding the 2lt engine


thanks for reply. wot is the repair or parts replaced on the 13D8 campaign.

[kenney]

Replace the spur gears of the balancer shaft modul. On some vehicles with the 2.0 lt diesel engine the bearing free play of the gear wheel is reduced on the balancer shaft module because the hub is deformed.In isolated cases this may lead to ,premature wear of the gear wheels,and can result in oil pressure failure.

[Quatrelle]

aaman - have a look at the jack cover in the boot. There might be a sticker on it showing 13D8. Mine's got two for different recalls.

[aaman]

aaman - have a look at the jack cover in the boot. There might be a sticker on it showing 13D8. Mine's got two for different recalls.

ive had car from new have not had a 13D8 job done. asked my dealer about this code he said he looked at his system and my car not on campaign . i tend not to take every thing the dealer says being right. so ring vw head office this week and ask.

[Quatrelle]

Let us know what they say?

[aaman]

Let us know what they say?

phoned vw uk monday and tec advised my passat not affected ref the 13d8 recall/service . my passat is a 55 plate sept05 2.0tdi.

[danski]

I`ll be in VW today for latest installment of my injector/flywheel saga, so I`m planning to ask them to check.
I looked in the back of my service booklet this morning and no mention of it having been done.

[danski]

Well, I asked and they said that my car doesnt need the recall work doing on the oil pump...happy days...I think. :confused:

[ajh]

Hi every one, my 55 plate 2.0 140 has just come up with this oil pressure problem and like some of you its not just a sensor problem. is there any help from any professional bodies with this fault as it seems quite wide spread and VW know about it, because im looking at a bill of £1100+ for a car i bought 4 months ago from a dealer but he says i only get 3 months warranty from him ? :mad:

[danski]

Hiya,

Has your car been in for the recall?
Should be detailed in the back of the service book, but a quick call to the main dealers will also tell you.

Depending on the answer to that, make friends with someone at the vw dealers, and ask them to see if vw will make a goodwill contribution.

They can be strange, I asked them directly when all 4 of my injectors went, and they told me to get lost. The flywheel also went - realised after the injectors, and I got the guy at the dealers to ask for the goodwill contribution, and the coughed up 50% :o

Good luck fella, my round of issues had left me 3k out of pocket, I was thinking about matches for a while tbh.

[ajh]

Cheers I'll definitley get in touch with them tomorrow and see how it goes, I'm just gutted cos only just got it. Hopefully it wont be as bad as i'm thinking it wil be.

[Steve H]

Is this problem common to the 2.0 tdi models only? I have an 06 Passat 1.9tdi 105bhp that only covers around 8k a year, and with only a months warranty left it may be an idea to buy an extended one however there not cheap from VW at around £450 for 12months but cheaper than a new engine i suppose.

[Crasher]

No the BKC, BXE and BLS engines do not use the same system BUT the bolt on the drive gear for the oil pump has been known to come undone very occasionally.

[ajh]

Well I got the results today £1200 inc vat to fix problem, mine was the hexagonal shaped rod that fits between the oil pump and shaft in the sump it had rounded it self and the hole where it fits. Looks like no damage to the big end, VW said they may contribute to help pay for the work but probably only 15% so Ive left at the private VW specialist I took it to because he's still cheaper than taking to the VW dealer with the contribution. Gonna see if the garage I bought it from 4 months ago might want to chip in as a good will gesture?? who knows, an expensive trip to my wifes hairdresser though!

[Alasdair999]

Can I suggest contacting Trading Standards. I think the garage you bought the car from have a legal obligation to repair your car as it failed within 6 months of purchase. It is covered by the Sale of Goods act. Worth checking before putting your hand in your wallet

[pendle wizard]

Hi m8, at the moment you can get an rac handheld tester for £44.01 ( Argos are having an end of catalog clearout - RAC Fault Code Reader.

740/2742)


it works with the 2006 passat and will tell you if there are any error codes.

[Crasher]

Can I suggest contacting Trading Standards. I think the garage you bought the car from have a legal obligation to repair your car as it failed within 6 months of purchase. It is covered by the Sale of Goods act. Worth checking before putting your hand in your wallet

I think it is three months.

[the surfer]

My Passat has the BKP engine and it was first registered September 2005 (55 plate). Everything is dandy at the moment (at 48k) in regards to the car and I'm very pleased with it - touch wood! There is no sticker next to the spare wheel or info in the service manual (with full main dealer VW service history) to say this campaign/recall has been carried out.

I was at the dealer earlier this week and the invoice stated they'd checked (via ETOS? ETKA?) for recalls on my car - none required.

My question is: does anyone know if I can get information relating to recalls/campaigns from VW UK, so I can double-check? If so, is it through VW Customer Service or is there a technical department? Is it also possible to get information relating to any work previously carried out on my car by the dealer?

Any help much appreciated.

[Crasher]

The problem is on the BKP engine, it depends on when it was built.

[Norman vwp]

Hi Crasher
I am a new member and I pick my car up on Monday it is a Passat Highline TDI 130 registered on 17/06/05 with 82k on, is this one of the problem engines do you know.
Before I bought this car I googled it for known faults and this did not show up and I have just got rid of a Lexus GS300 Sport because of expensive known faults and I had to replace my brake master cylinder booster at 88k which is a common fault and the cost was £2000.00 I also had to replace my radio due to lost pixals another £750.00.
I have only paid a £100.00 pound deposit at the moment so I could always back out of the deal in all fairness the car comes with a 2 year warranty but I am retired so the car will not be doing a lot of mileage.
I do get really annoyed with these known faults on cars that the makers know about and expect us do do the expensive repairs with no help from them.

Thanks
Norman:mad:

[angus]

You are in the clear Norman.

It is the 140bhp engines from 2006 that have the problem (affects all VW/Audi group models with this unit), but it is a lottery as to if ou have a bad one or not.

I speak from experience.............

[Norman vwp]

Thats great angus.

Thanks very much for the reply.

Norman :D

[the surfer]

The problem is on the BKP engine, it depends on when it was built.

Argh! Mine has the BKP engine :mad:

I'm unsure of the exact build date but my Passat was first registered in September 2005.

I don't suppose you have info on which VINs are affected, do you?

[Crasher]

Some info, PM me the reg.

[the surfer]

Some info, PM me the reg.

You have PM.

Many thanks.

[kenney]

Not all vehicles with this engine are affected by the campaign.Before a repair,the vehicle must be checked with the Service Online or Fish system, wether the chassis number is affected by the campaign

[Crasher]

You have PM.

Many thanks.

Your chassis number (2006 model year, built at Emden June 2005) puts the car in the build area for cars with the original failure prone balancer shaft module/oil pump although VW themselves are unsure as to when the new units were fitted in the 2006 model year but they put the date as during September 2005 production at the Emden plant.

[the surfer]

Your chassis number (2006 model year, built at Emden June 2005) puts the car in the build area for cars with the original failure prone balancer shaft module/oil pump although VW themselves are unsure as to when the new units were fitted in the 2006 model year but they put the date as during September 2005 production at the Emden plant.

Many thanks for taking the time to get this info for me. Much appreciated.

So, could I assume mine is OK, seeing as it was built in June 2005; 3 months before the faulty part was used?

If not, what would you, with your vast knowledge, suggest I do next? Should I follow this up with VW further? The dealer assured me it's been checked for recalls and it's all clear.

Thanks again.

Dan

[Crasher]

According to the info I have, it was built three months before the better part was introduced.

[the surfer]

According to the info I have, it was built three months before the better part was introduced.

Sorry, misunderstanding on my part there :o

I think I need to get on the phone to VW again...

Thanks for the help!

[Norman vwp]

I think you are the same as most of us Dan regards trying to find out if our cars are OK, it should be up to the makers to sort these problems out because they are the ones that know all about the problems.
Good luck with your car I hope it is one that is all clear.

Norman

[the surfer]

Thanks Norman.

I'm a bit gutted to be honest, I've only had the car for 6 weeks! It's a shame as I really like it too!

I will endeavour to reel-in as much info as I can get from VW. I will present here what info (if any) I can get for the benefit of everyone else in this situation.

On a side-note, I will also be asking about the fuel pump and whether it's been recalled on my Passat. I assume not as it's not documented in my handbook, nor do I have any stickers in the spare wheel well.

[tward11]

why W reg passat 1.9 tdi warning light has come on warning "low oil pressure, stop motor" but plenty of oil in the engine and still drives as normal . took it to vw specialist they replaced the sensor in the sump, test drove it with no problems. when i picked it up i drove 1 mile and the light came on again , took it back they are at a loss so its going back in, any ideas??

[Crasher]

It needs a proper oil pressure test carrying out using a pressure gauge at 2000 rpm and with the oil at around 80 degrees; the pressure must be at least 2 bar.

[nick41]

The problem is on the BKP engine, it depends on when it was built.
Hi Crasher
I'm new to the forum, would you be kind enough to tell me how likely - in your opinion - my car might be affected?

[Crasher]

It is pre change point which was at chassis WVWZZZ3CZ6P070000 (approximately) so yes it is at risk.

Please delete your info now, there is a tiny risk of it being misused.

[tward11]

my car is a 1.9 tdi 115BHP registered ON 19- 07- 2000 is it likely to be effected with the same problem or is it more likely to be a glitch?

[Crasher]

No, your engine uses a completely different system. If the oil pressure light comes on, never assume it is a glitch, it must be tested but I suspect it will be a faulty sender.

[patomlin76]

on the subject of faulty parts/known problems, were there any serious issues affecting 2 litre petrol engines? I have an early 2.0 FSI, and have recently had the cambelt + associated components replaced.

thanks.

[Adrian44]

Hi Crasher,

Just been reading this thread and am now worried.

Driving home last night, the car asked me to check oil level, no message telling to stop, so was checking it this morning, when the end broke off the dipstick, when it was in the engine!!!!!

Anyway car is in being looked at now, hopefully all ok as I didn't start it, but am no concerned about this issue. My car is a June '05 140 tdi, do you think it'll suffere with this problem? The engine does have a BKP number.

You comments and advice would be great.

Many thanks

[Crasher]

An 05 BKP is well within the affected range. You have two choices, drive it and see if it fails or have the work done preventatively. You could find, as one of my friends did, when stripping it down to do it that the work has been done.

[Adrian44]

Crasher,

Thanks for that.

Would they be able to tell when they take the sump off to find the end of the dipstick? If so what should they be looking for?

[Crasher]

When the sump is off they will be able to see if it has the early chain driven or later spur gear driven balancer shaft module.

[Adrian44]

Cheers mate, I'm guessing the later gear driven is the better option?

[Crasher]

So far.

[harrybo]

It is pre change point which was at chassis WVWZZZ3CZ6P070000 (approximately) so yes it is at risk.

Please delete your info now, there is a tiny risk of it being misused.


Hi are chassis with WVWZZZ3CZ6 or higher at risk or are these ok? Mine is CZ7, 83k on the clock! Anyone got worse case scenario for cost of new engine?:zx11:

Cheers

[Crasher]

The 7 means 2007 so it should be fine as far as current knowledge goes.

[harrybo]

The 7 means 2007 so it should be fine as far as current knowledge goes.


My car is an 06 though? :confused:

[the surfer]

My car is an 06 though? :confused:

My Passat is Sep 05 and it has a '6' prefix. Mine is also smack within the affected range - 046392.

This whole subject still has me in a chronic state of worry! I'm at 53k now...

I know someone who got to 155k before their oil pump quit working - still very premature for a TDI. It still happened though, and knackered the engine. I think it's more of a case of 'when', not 'if', unfortunately.

My intentions are to remove the sump and have a good look while it's undergoing its next service in Jan. If the later spur-driven unit isn't present, which I'm more than expecting, I will get VW to get me one in there to replace the chain-driven unit ASAP.

I understand, from the vast knowledge of Crasher, that the retrofit is not cheap...

I have it booked in at VW for the timing belt and water pump in Jan too. Expensive 2010 so far :biglaugh:

I find this a bit of a kick in the teeth as I really like my Passat and it's great in every other way. I just hate having the impending doom of "OIL PRESSURE. STOP ENGINE." That would be even more expensive!

[Crasher]

The 7th digit from the end of the chassis number denotes the model year, the problem cars ended in the 2006 model year, not 2007. Surfer, doing the timing belt is about 1/3 of the job doing the oil pump, seriously think about having it done whilst the TB is being done.

[the surfer]

The 7th digit from the end of the chassis number denotes the model year, the problem cars ended in the 2006 model year, not 2007. Surfer, doing the timing belt is about 1/3 of the job doing the oil pump, seriously think about having it done whilst the TB is being done.

Thanks again, Crasher :beerchug:
I'm doing the service at home so will investigate the BS unit/oil pump then. If it does need the retrofit I'll get VW to combine this with the timing belt & water pump replacement when it goes into them.

I'm hoping that the oil pump has already been upgraded as my car was previously a demo at the VW dealer I bought it from. Or.... maybe that's why they sold it :biglaugh:

[Quatrelle]

Surfer - Can't your dealer look it up on his PC? - there should be a record on the car's history if the job's been done.

[Crasher]

It should also be marked on the boot floor.

[Quatrelle]

Surfer - Can't your dealer look it up on his PC? - there should be a record on the car's history if the job's been done.

Surfer - in an earlier post (no. 55) you said the dealer had checked for a recall on this. If it does turn out that you need the work done, why shouldn't VW pay for it?

[the surfer]

Surfer - Can't your dealer look it up on his PC? - there should be a record on the car's history if the job's been done.

I'd imagine so, yes. I haven't specifically asked about this yet. From what I understand, the part that is failure-prone is the hex-drive to the oil pump and not the actual chain itself. It rounds-off and no longer drives the pump. I would be interested to investigate this for myself and take some photos. Yep, I'm a sad git :biglaugh:


It should also be marked on the boot floor.

There are no stickers in the boot at all. You may be able to correct me, but I understood the oil pump/BS unit was never an official recall. Some of the later gear-driven units were recalled but not the earlier chained versions. Or did I get this completely wrong?

I was hoping that being a main dealer's car, they would have done a retrofit on their own accord - not a recall. Wishful thinking though, I'd imagine...


Surfer - in an earlier post (no. 55) you said the dealer had checked for a recall on this. If it does turn out that you need the work done, why shouldn't VW pay for it?

As I said above, I don't think this was ever a recall. IMO it should have been, but that's another story...

According to the dealer (when I bought the car in July) it had no outstanding recalls.

Thanks all.

[Crasher]

I was hoping that being a main dealer's car, they would have done a retrofit on their own accord - not a recall.

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

[the surfer]

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

As I thought then! Probably why they sold it!

[gireada2005]

i was looking throught from the topics and clicking on different links i found this one, i only have the car for two monts ,but i never thought there will be a big issue like this one with a vw hearing about the previous reliability.my car is a 55 sport 140 first reg in 08.11.2005 chasisno wvwzzz3cz6e097575.as crasher said all the bkp models in 2005 maybe affected,can i ckeck with vw it is so?i would prefer changing before disaster strikes if i need it to.i also i have history of the car as it come from a lease firm,but it only recall the fuel pump at 27k,and other sensors, but not the oil pump.
if is anybody who knows if it is affected please let me know so i do it.

[martin1810]

It won't say "oil pump". The recall says "balancer shaft assembly" or similar. You can ask any vw dealer to check for you using your reg or chassis number.

[giger]

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[Crasher]

This problem is nothing to do with losing oil, that can be a tandem pump failure on your engine.

[giger]

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[Crasher]

Yes your engine should not be using oil like that, how many litres per 1000 miles is it using?

[giger]

.

[bombanela]

i have one 2006 bkp..........:nervous:

[bombanela]

my vin is WVWZZZ3CZ6E158xxx
Know if he is affected by the problem of the oil pump?

thanks

[M88STR]

This seems to be the forum in the know how . . . .

I have just sold ma Focus at a massive loss cos of loads of problems with injectors and DPF, and wanted a good reliable car.

Im after some advise, do you think its worth buyin a passat 140 on a 2007 plate? has this prooven to be safe bet from the oil pump problem?

I hear the VW and Audi are starting to report alot of problems with the Siemans Injectors aswell, you heard anything about this?

Just wondering now if its worth buyin a B6

advise is gr8ly appreciated
:beerchug:

Adam.

[patomlin76]

Think an 07 plate would be fine. The later passat you can afford, the better...

[M88STR]

can someone check this reg and see if it is likely one of the affected?

"MA56KVV"

its at a local garage which i am tempted to barter for

[Crasher]

2007 chassis, late system.

[M88STR]

That means it should be okay right ??

[Crasher]

As far as I can tell so far, yes.

[M88STR]

Crasher,

Is there any way of finding out if a B6 has the Siemens or the Bosch Injectors?

[Crasher]

Depends on the engine code but often they have to come out for ID.

[steve cal]

Just a thought, but what about buying one of those engine warrantees, think they are about £250 a year. If the oil pump went, wouild it cover it?

[Crasher]

Warranty companies, urghhh…:Screem:

[DSG4ME]

Warranty companies, urghhh…:Screem:


Ahhhhhhhhhgreed. :beerchug:

[steve cal]

Oops, looks like I hit a sore point there! It's just that I had a TVR a few years ago and the warranty paid 50% of the bill.

[tel200]

I've just been told by the dealer I need a new engine after having the oil pressure stop engine warning. Its a 2005 Sport model and done 117,000 miles. I have tried to folow the threads but does anyone know of VW accepting any liability for this fault and contributing to the cost? I am probably clutching at straws but I cannot afford the money and the car is worthless.

[Crasher]

I think the prospect of any contribution on a five year old car with 117K miles is a non starter, even if you had bought the car from VW new and always had it serviced there to schedule. Your best bet is to find a specialist who will rebuild it where necessary or find a used engine but these are in short supply. It is highly likely that the turbo will also have been damaged. Not even the new Vauxhall lifetime warranty would cover it.

[19john69]

I have a 2014 Volkswagen touran my oil pressure warning light came on months ago it goes on an off constantly after the car gets to running temperature but when idling doesn't do it.the car runs and still sounds the way it should Volkswagen having a clue what's up with it I have changed oil pressure switch and oil filter but am baffled why it still comes up with the warning light

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[Crasher]

Which engine?

[19john69]

1.6tdi 105bhp

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[19john69]

It3 engine

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[19john69]

It's the it3 engine

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[Mario]

I have a 2014 Volkswagen touran my oil pressure warning light came on months ago it goes on an off constantly after the car gets to running temperature but when idling doesn't do it.the car runs and still sounds the way it should Volkswagen having a clue what's up with it I have changed oil pressure switch and oil filter but am baffled why it still comes up with the warning light

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The oil pressure light is programmed NOT to come on at idle, even if there is zero oil pressure. STUPID, STUPID design by VW / Audi, but it's true. If you unplug the sensor it will sit at idle all day and not make a peep....rev the engine to 2000 RPM for 5 seconds and you'll get the warning. Let it go back to idle and it will clear!

In your shoes the FIRST thing to do is stop driving it and fit an oil pressure gauge to determine if you have a genuine oil pressure issue or if its electrical.

[19john69]

Thanks it's going into Volkswagen tomorrow. It was in last week am sure they did a pressure test .must be electrical. Getting the pressure switch changed see how that goes

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[DMitch16]

I have a 2014 Volkswagen touran my oil pressure warning light came on months ago it goes on an off constantly after the car gets to running temperature but when idling doesn't do it.the car runs and still sounds the way it should Volkswagen having a clue what's up with it I have changed oil pressure switch and oil filter but am baffled why it still comes up with the warning light

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Wrong forum section - this is B6 Passats 2005-2010 only.

[markspark71]

Hi all I have a Passat on a 57 plate 2.0tdi 170 bhp will the engine have the same oil pump problems ?? im unsure what the engine code is ??

[Gazwould]

Potentially yes , check with VW what length drive you have.

[DMitch16]

Will probably be a BMR / BMN if it is a 170 and will be a PD so will certainly have a gear driven balancer unit most likely with 77mm oil pump drive key.

[markspark71]

Its the bmn engine willi need to replace the full balance shaft assembly or just some of the parts on it ? what is the cost of parts ?

[Gazwould]

Congratulations , the BMN is one of those few engine codes that have the bullet proof older 1.9 PD chain drive .

Relax...

[markspark71]

Pm sent Gazwould


Congratulations , the BMN is one of those few engine codes that have the bullet proof older 1.9 PD chain drive .

Relax...

[Gazwould]

Marky your inbox is now full .

I'm stumped if the oil pressure switch is genuine VW and the correct bar .

All I can say is it may be faulty and try another one .

Sorry I can't help you more but at least your oil pump drive is a good 'un .

[DMitch16]

Interestingly ETKA only lists the BMN in 3 VW models but none of them being the Passat. It was in the Golf and Touran and I know for sure it is in Seat Leons as a friend of mine has a 58 plate model with that engine. Sure it is a BMN not a BMR?

White sticker under the boot floor would confirm.

[markspark71]

Im at a loss now as when I scan with vcds its shows bmn and I have just checked the build lable in the boot and it states bmr

[Gazwould]

Interesting , if it is BMR..

Kit 9
Oil Pumps - KMB Parts Direct (http://www.kmbpartsdirect.co.uk/oil_pumps.html#kit9)

You may have to drop the sump after all to find out what you physically have .

[markspark71]

Saturday,09,September,2017,11:59:19:35792
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 7 x86
VCDS Version: 17.1.3.0
Data version: 20170320 DS267.7
Ross-Tech: Home (www.Ross-Tech.com)


VIN: WVWZZZ3CZ8P014899 License Plate: SAVE 2
Mileage: 201140km-124982mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: 3C (3C0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 53 55 56 5D 62 72
76 77

VIN: WVWZZZ3CZ8P014899 Mileage: 201140km-124982miles

01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
5D-Operations -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
76-Park Assist -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 03G-906-018-BMN.clb
Part No SW: 03G 906 018 AS HW: 03G 906 018 AS
Component: R4 2.0l PPD1.2 G 9971
Revision: --H42--- Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0000078
Shop #: WSC 00190 210 91062
VCID: 76E3F8A6014CEDF1C3-8022

1 Fault Found:
000665 - Boost Pressure Regulation
P0299 - 006 - Control Range Not Reached - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10100001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 5
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 201118 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.08.27
Time: 13:16:15

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 2336 /min
Torque: 144.0 Nm
Speed: 47.0 km/h
97.50 %
Voltage: 14.46 V
Pressure: 2492.1 mbar
Pressure: 852.0 mbar

Readiness: N/A

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
Part No SW: 02E 300 044 L HW: 02E 927 770 AE
Component: GSG DSG 081 1402
Revision: 04608010 Serial number: 00000705261183
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 1E33C006C93C05B1FB-804A

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 3C0-614-109-C4.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 614 109 D HW: 3C0 614 109 D
Component: J104 C4 440 V2 0003
Revision: --020--- Serial number: 00000775566925
Coding: 0003357
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 1F4DFD02CE360CB9F0-804A

1 Fault Found:
02214 - Tire Pressure Warning
014 - Defective
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101110
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 254
Reset counter: 60
Mileage: 201144 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.09.06
Time: 11:51:17

Freeze Frame:
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Hex Value: 0x0000
Voltage: 12.00 V
Bin. Bits: 00011111
Count: 203


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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 3C0-907-044.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 907 044 CC HW: 3C0 907 044 CC
Component: ClimatronicPQ46 122 0707
Revision: 00122021 Serial number: 00000000000000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 64C7B2EEA7D06F616D-8030

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-30-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AL HW: 3C0 937 049 AL
Component: Bordnetz-SG H54 2202
Revision: 00H54000 Serial number: 01000004987495
Coding: E7828F0700041A00470A00000F000000000E5D435C00010000 0000000000
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 73E5C1B2123EF8D9E4-8026

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C2 955 119 B Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 040607 022 0601
Coding: 00046997
Shop #: WSC 00028

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 955 559 AB Labels: 1K0-955-559-AF.CLB
Component: RLS 190607 020 0105
Coding: 00208933
Shop #: WSC 00028

2 Faults Found:
02394 - Parking Light Left Front (M1)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 60
Mileage: 201144 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.09.06
Time: 11:54:00

Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 11.60 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF

02395 - Parking Light Front Right (M3)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 60
Mileage: 201144 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2017.09.06
Time: 11:54:00


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 M HW: 3C0 909 605 M
Component: 0C AIRBAG VW8 032 2522
Revision: 12032000 Serial number: 003B1PBQQ5N2
Coding: 0012355
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 306F0EBEA3A883C159-8064

Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332MSME1936343D

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342MSME19633A5F

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6351HTS65JH8C9U6

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6361HTS62AD4H867

Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 00000000000000000

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 K HW: 3C0 953 549 K
Component: J0527 0015
Revision: 00006000 Serial number: 3C5953507BG
Coding: 0001411
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 346702AE57B0BFE13D-8060

Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 E HW: 3C0 920 971 E
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 1216
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0007405
Shop #: WSC 00581 210 64475
VCID: 275DE5E29666C47988-8072

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 3C0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 E HW: 3C0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H10 0080
Revision: H10 Serial number: 1200P0751601D0
Coding: FD817F0E0026021003
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2345F1F2E25E2859D4-8076

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: IMMO 042 0383
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 00226 210 91093
VCID: 3979339A70D24289EE-806C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C0 905 861 G
Component: ELV 027 0380
3C0905861G ELV 027 0380

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 Q HW: 1K0 959 793 M
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1132
Revision: 31008001 Serial number: 00000079278501
Coding: 0000759
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 3C772A8E7FE077A1F5-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
Part No: 1K2 909 144 M
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.136 H08 1901
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 366338A641CCADF103-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 R HW: 3C0 959 433 R
Component: KSG PQ46 ELV 042 0472
Revision: 00042000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 01910A0001860E763004941570085FCE107800
Shop #: WSC 00226 210 91093
VCID: 3979339A70D24289EE-806C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 D
Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H07 9001

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
Component: Neigungssensor 004 0611

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 3C0 951 171 C
Component: Innenraumueberw.004 0611

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 Q HW: 1K0 959 792 M
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1132
Revision: 31008001 Serial number: 00000003178507
Coding: 0000758
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 3D71278A64FA7EA9C2-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 5N0-907-801.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 801 J HW: 3C0 907 801 J
Component: J540 EPB3 VW-09393 0009
Revision: 008 Serial number: 00000000048720
Coding: 0000057
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2959E3DA8072F2099E-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 5M0-907-357-V2.lbl
Part No SW: 5M0 907 357 A HW: 5M0 907 357 A
Component: AFS-Steuergeraet X014
Revision: H01 Serial number:
Coding: 2302209
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 326B04B6ADA4B1D12F-8066

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 7L6 941 329 Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul l X018
Coding: 00000035

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 7L6 941 330
Component: AFS-Lst.-Modul r X018
Coding: 00000035

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No: 1K0 035 195 D
Component: Radio BVX 014 0034
Coding: 0042402
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 275DE5E29666C47988-8072

1 Fault Found:
00857 - CD Changer Unit (R41)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 5D: Operations Labels: 3C0-035-151.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 035 151 C HW: 3C0 035 151 C
Component: J738 011 0019
Revision: 00011000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 183FD61E2B187B8131-804C

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 P HW: 1K0 959 795 G
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1118
Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000001858598
Coding: 0000208
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 3D71278A64FA7EA9C2-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 P HW: 1K0 959 794 G
Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1118
Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000001867415
Coding: 0000208
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 3E73208669FC65B1DB-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 3C0-919-283.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 919 283 C HW: 3C0 919 283 C
Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan 004 0013
Revision: 00004000 Serial number: 90630716506920
Coding: 0001014
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 2959E3DA8072F2099E-807C

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone Labels: 3C0-035-730.lbl
Part No SW: 7L6 035 730 HW: 7L6 035 730
Component: Telefon 2209
Revision: 00011000 Serial number: 0000000025876
Coding: 0020035
Shop #: WSC 00028 028 00001
VCID: 6BD5D9D24A0E20192C-803E

No fault code found.

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 03:18)--------------------------

[DMitch16]

The label file referring to BMN is supplied by Ross Tech and is not read directly from your car. The sticker is the reference list of engine, gearbox, paint codes and other items as to the car from factory.

Unfortunately BMR engines have the 77mm oil drive key and Gazwould has listed the correct KMB kit if it has not yet been upgraded.

[markspark71]

33977

[markspark71]

well its looking like I need the kit 9 as gaz has said also the dpf requires its guts ripping out :)

[DMitch16]

You also have an underboost code so either the turbo needs a clean or you have a boost vacuum leak. Put the DPF until last as you'll need to sort the oil drive and turbo underboost first although it is close to end of life at 124K and may need cleaning / replacing soon. Gutting the DPF is illegal I should add.

[Gazwould]

All good when drive and dpf cleaned ;) , absolutely do not drive the car till drive key is identified .

It's so true what Mario said earlier the oil pressure light does not come on till 2000K revs and if sensor is disconnected , the later I can't speak of 100% but remember when this happened and we suspect and fitted a new oil pressure sensor because that's all we knew at the time .

It idled fine on the drive but 100 yards up the road probably when 2k was hit the STOP LOW OIL PRESSURE came up .

Pure planned obsolescence insanity...

[Crasher]

I do feel there has been a lot of discussion on here about the length of a chaps shaft.....

On a more serious note, I do think it is about time that the illegal removal of emissions control systems should be a banned subject on THE leading VAG forum, we should set the standards and not the tone..... It cannot have esaped anyone's attention how much bad publicity diesel is receiving and making matters worse is not going to help.

[Gazwould]

The issue is every day is a dpf and egr day because the removal is banned on VW Forum people go to a forum where it can be discussed ,( hense VW Forum is a low volume forum) instead the thread being instantly shut down closed , as far as I know this forum is unique...
A forum is to discuss , yet it cannot .

The choice is to reinstate at great cost these troublesome not fit for purpose devices or get rid and Stage 1 remap for as little as £400+ .

From what I gather over VAG forums this is more often the outcome .

They will receive a smoother , quieter , more drivable , more powerful , more mpg car , I'm yet to hear of a disappointment.

Dpf removal etc was the suggestion of a clued up main dealer female service / parts person ( father and brother are both mechanics ) over a decade ago and she used to receive telephone calls of praise and flowers .

My father a late 60's remap virgin had this done this year
( non VAG ) , egr and dpf was completely healthy yet removed , he was impressed and does not impress easily , 6 mpg better on return journey .

[markspark71]

Thanks for the info guys
What would the cost of a recon turbo be as I may aswel do the turbo and oil pump at same time
I'm away working all this week so I'm in no crazy rush to fix the car
But I'm starting to think is it worth doing or just sell on as it is

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[Mario]

MarkSpark71, if you are unsure if you have an oil pressure issue get a mechanical gauge fitted on there ASAP! Cheap ones can be had on eBay for £30-£40 and will confirm lack of oil pressure.

Fit it into the location of the oil pressure switch. It's an M10 x 1.0 thread.

The switch is "non operational" on idle. So you could have zero oil pressure and no light, but once the engine is revved and held there for a second the light comes on. Stupid VW design!!

Audi manual states the pressure should be a minimum of 0.8 Bar on idle and 2.0 Bar at 2000 RPM.

If you hook up a gauge and get zero pressure at idle just turn it off ASAP, but keep in mind it can take a couple of seconds for pressure to build. When I modified my balance shaft module it took a good 4-5 seconds for oil pressure to show on the gauge (felt like an eternity after all that work).

If it's got no pressure then likely Kit 9 as mentioned above. However ALWAYS contact KMB and confirm with your reg / VIN.

You should also check the bearings. Take off the rod and main bearing caps nearest the gearbox, as they tend to fail first. If they are good then just refit with new bolts and torque to spec. If there is signs of scoring then it will be time for a crank regrind and new bearings or a new (used) engine, but you'll never know until you open it.

Generally the turbos go first (as you've found out) and the bearings last quite a bit before serious damage occurs, but best to check while you are in there, as there is no point doing all that work without checking only to find out later that the engine has had it.

Only an extra 30 mins work and the cost of new bolts to check the bearings in addition to all the other work you need to do to get access to the balance shaft module.

[markspark71]

Thanks for the info Mario it's appreciated

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[Crasher]

I agree about the oil pressure warning system Mario. Up until say 1998 on the Golf 3 (the change varies) VAG used a brilliant oil pressure warning system that gave an early warning above 2200rpm if the pressure dropped below 1.8BAR with a flashing red light and a buzzer and later beeper and I saw this save countless numbers of engines from serious damage. The latter system has caused damage because simple issues did not give a warning, with all the modern systems cars have I don't understand why they did this. On a special Golf 2 I am building the bespoke ECU installation will have full scal oil pressure and oil temperature inputs to allow an early warning and automatic power reduction and eventual shutdown to protect strategies.

[markspark71]

Hi guys im stuck on which method to do for the best

1 is delete the balance shaft and use the alh pump

2 just repair the balance shaft from kmb and just re fit ?

Also I have seen somewhere that the turbo comes out through the bottom and can it come out through the top ?

[Gazwould]

Most just replace the two underengineered parts , in Poland they keep with a 77mm key but oversize the end for surface area contact , I assume both key and balancer shaft keyway are made of suitable material and the keyway will be hexagonal .

http://www.audi-sport.net/xf/attachments/56578b3d9a0f944c9bc0a607de777387-jpg.110867/

[DMitch16]

I tend to agree with Gazwould as retrofitting an ALH system does sometimes leave you will some unwanted vibration and this can affect the longevity of clutch and gearbox parts. The KMB shafts are very well re-engineered and more importantly the keyway is centred properly as off centred units are one of the main causes of the failures and why a lot of the properly centred keys / shafts rarely seem to fail despite being the same s h i t e design.

[Gazwould]

I do forget from time to time oem isn't centered correctly sometimes to add to the engineering faults .

[markspark71]

im going to make a start once the bloomin rain stops thanks again for the input guys

[markspark71]

Well the hex drive is out looking very worn I will now contact KMB to replace it and the 2nd balance shaft

[DMitch16]

Well the hex drive is out looking very worn I will now contact KMB to replace it and the 2nd balance shaft

That...is a really odd wear pattern? You expect the end of the shaft to wear due to its short and poor contact area but what are the larger wear marks further down the shaft? Different oil pump?

[markspark71]

it all looks standard to me I also wondered what had caused the centre to go like that
the only thing ive done with the shaft is clean it

[DMitch16]

Mine was almost perfect up to the end that was inserted in the shaft, which had completely rounded smooth and shiny.

[markspark71]

I thought it was strange as well
Im taking the full unit over to KMB next week so ill let him have a look at it whilst im there

[markspark71]

I will be starting to build the car back up this weekend an I have a couple of questions
1, what sealant is used to seal the sump back on the car
2. how much oil does the 2.0 brm take from empty
3, is there a simple way to check the turbo for damage

Thanks guys

[Crasher]

We only use what VAG say for each specific application, in this case white silcone D 176 501 A1 which is £24.47 inc VAT genuine, Elring offer an equivalent but it is black which is wrong, that is for other applications.

[DMitch16]

I will be starting to build the car back up this weekend an I have a couple of questions
1, what sealant is used to seal the sump back on the car
2. how much oil does the 2.0 brm take from empty
3, is there a simple way to check the turbo for damage

Thanks guys

The BMR capacity is 4.1 litres - put 3.5 straight in and then add the next 600ml gradually checking the level as you go. Check again after running the engine topping up as necessary.

To check your turbo, and this is only to give you an indication of bearing wear, with the air pipe removed from the compressor / air intake side you should be able to put your finger into the compressor wheel hole onto the centre spindle and try to move it side to side. There should be almost no movement (a very tiny amount of side to side play but nothing significant). If there is a lot of movement your turbo bearings could be worn and the turbo needing attention.

[markspark71]

Cheers for the help guys I will let you know how I get on

[markspark71]

Well i have made a good start the balance shaft is now repaired and back on the car all timed up (with pm advice from Dmitch16) all i have left to do on that part is to refit the sump which im going to leave off for now. When i had put the balance shaft back on i thought i would remove the intake pipe off the turbo and check for play and low and behold yes the turbo is also gone (the spindle nut came off in my hand). So now i have to remove the turbo  but also still need to remove the dpf as that is also blocked but how the heck do you get the dpf off the car. The only way i can see is to drop the cradle is this correct ? Also will i have to disconnect the steering rack if so how is this done as i cannot see where it splits
Can anyone advise please

[DMitch16]

Big job. Steering rack stays bolted to the subframe. Subframe needs to come off if you can't do the turbo out from the battery side and DPF out from the OSF wheel arch methods both of which take a bit of practice. Too much to do to describe on a post.

Got a set of instructions somewhere on Word taken from ELSAWIN the VW workshop repair software. I'll dig them out.

[markspark71]

Im going to have another go tomorrow if I get chance ill report back let you know how I get on im going to bring the turbo down the back as I need to move the cradle anyway

[DMitch16]

What do you mean by cradle?

[markspark71]

The large section that runs side to side that the steering rack and wish bones are fixed to

[DMitch16]

Known as the subframe. Have emailed you.

[markspark71]

Well the turbo is off and the recon turbo has been delivered I just need the good weather now to fit the turbo and start to build the car back up
Whats the best way to find out if my dpf is blocked or not ?

[Gazwould]

Storm Brian !

Open it up and have a look...

http://www.ecuflash.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/DPF-Removed.png

[DMitch16]

Usually with a VCDS scan whilst it is on the car - the ECU records the soot saturation and ash loads. Over 45 grammes of ash = time to change it or have it cleaned.

[markspark71]

Its off the car now so I cannot use vcds to check it

[DMitch16]

More difficult to check without specialist equipment as essentially there are no visual differences between a full one and an empty one.

See if there is anyone locally that cleans them - it's cheaper than replacement, legal and has covered enough miles to warrant a clean anyway. The Carbon Mass and Soot load figures would need to be reset when a new or cleaned unit is put back on using VCDS. There is an adaptation option in the Adaptation menu of the Engine controller but this only does part of the reset. For a new unit reset the figures to zero (using 1 not 0 as it happens as using 0 defaults to something else oddly) but for a cleaned unit there may be a small amount of residual ash left so I would set the Carbon Mass to 1 or 2 grammes to start with.

[markspark71]

Well the car is back on the road with repaired oil pump and recon turbo and 12 months mot now to do the timing belt and waterpump

[DMitch16]

Well the car is back on the road with repaired oil pump and recon turbo and 12 months mot now to do the timing belt and waterpump

A breeze of a job after what you've just done!:blindfold:blindfold

[markspark71]

All parts delivered today from Tps so a nice job for the weekend weather permitting :)

[DMitch16]

All parts delivered today from Tps so a nice job for the weekend weather permitting :)

The tensioner is a quirky little thing - involves rotating, locking, rotating again then tightening when the pointer is in the right place :D

Just make sure the tensioner stud is still tight and doesn't undo when you release the tensioner nut. If you replace the tensioner stud it is very important to install the new one correctly and to the exact torque. I stick Loctite on mine usually.

Good luck.

[markspark71]

All done now just the dsg servive to do in a couple of weeks
Thanks for all your help

[roundmanx]

Hi can anybody help I have a 2005 vw touran 1.9tdi oil pressure engine off warning has had new turbo, egr valve, full service, oil pump, been in with vw dealership plugged in on the computer, oil pressure test new oil filter and oil change still with same problem oil pressure engine off they can't find the course so far said they can do More tests but will probably run me into the thousands can any one recommend anything thanks in advance

[DMitch16]

Hi can anybody help I have a 2005 vw touran 1.9tdi oil pressure engine off warning has had new turbo, egr valve, full service, oil pump, been in with vw dealership plugged in on the computer, oil pressure test new oil filter and oil change still with same problem oil pressure engine off they can't find the course so far said they can do More tests but will probably run me into the thousands can any one recommend anything thanks in advance

Faulty oil bypass valve in oil filter housing causing return of oil straight to sump perhaps? If your oil pressure sensor is not faulty - have they checked this? - then it would possibly read low pressure in the housing if the bypass valve is stuck open (I believe the oil pressure sensor is connected to the side of the oil filter housing, like it is on the 2.0 litre).

[roundmanx]

They haven't checked oil bypass valve they want to replace the engine they think it will be cheaper then looking for the actual problem I wondered if the oil feed pipe would cause it I noticed it was twisted since turbo was changed but they say shouldn't be the cause as oil pressure engine off warning was on before turbo and oil pump was replaced

[Crasher]

Is the red oil pressure warning light on with the engine running.