It's all a bit sad.......

[SIMONJO65]

Hi

I've been following a few threads over the last couple of weeks and struggle with something........ So many people treat the arrival of their new car like the arrival of a new born baby (talking build dates, delivery dates, intricate elements of they spec they have painfully gone to lengths to choose).

Surely it's just a car.......... Not unique to any one person as thousands of these come off the production line every year, not hand crafted but bolted together by robots and briefly passing through the hands of the dealer.

It just all reminds of me of ladies in the USA taking delivery of their re-born baby, where they have chosen the hair, colour of eyes/skin, birth clothes etc.

Am I missing something on these threads or are these just cars...?

[Bratty]

Yes,

whats your point?

Dunk

[Bristle Hound]

Let alone the money some of us are personally paying, I know its only a car, but its a bit more than than to me! :D

[robtt09]

If you are on this forum then per se you are interested in cars and especially your own.So I do not know why you are surprised in people being upset if things are not correct, or in discussing specifications, performance etc. That is the point of a forum ( and they have been on the go sinceGreek/Roman times) whether it is about cars or model aeroplanes or the like

[ScottyUK]

My car and my new baby (yes a real one) are due at about the same time.

June 23rd for baby

Week 22 + 4 i.e June 22nd - 28th for the car

Is it ok to be a little excited for the next few weeks?


If it's sad looking forward to new arrivals, then how sad is it to spend time posting about something you don't care about?

Ho hum :confused:

p.s. :p

[Jop]

wannahave!?!

[kodkod.84]

I don't think it's that sad- in fact I remember the feeling of seeing my brand new Audi A4 Christmas 2005 boxed in by Astra vans on the car transporter at my old job and was so excited- I waited 3 months for that car lol

I also remember the envious comments as the company had recently changed their car scheme from Vauxhall/Fords only to BMWs and Audis and I was probably one of the first guys there to be enrolled on that scheme.

I was gutted to give it back too- not my car per se but I treated it like it was and I wasn't allowed to buy it off them grr (I did nick the storage trays out of it for B7 number 2 though :D)

So I know the feeling- I may not get another brand new car for a long time, but you do get excited and there is nothing wrong with that. :beerchug:

[Crasher]

I wish I had the money to throw away buying a new car and tell everyone about it but the depreciation on new cars makes me feel ill. A lass came in yesterday with a new Beetle TDI that she paid over £17K for six months and 7,000 miles ago, she had been offered £9K to trade up to the Beetle 1.8T! That’s over £1K per month or £1 per mile in depreciation alone-mad! It would make me ill…

[rd1]

I have worked for many years and saved hard to get my very first brand new non company or lease car. To make it worse and as you would expect my wife got the first brand new one which makes it even more satisfying for me when mine arrived couple of years later.

Of course there was lots more excitement for the three daughters that also arrived at various times over the years, no comparison, but still nice cars and informative,friendly and witty banter on here.
Long may people be excited about their wheels (and their kids) :D:D

[Black Phantom]

Whether you own it, lease it, or get it through your company, there is nothing quite like cruising around in your new wheels. I would be hugely surprised, if, on an enthusiasts forum there were not threads about people being excited about their new cars and other people wanting to discuss them. What really does surprise me is that this thread exists at all!

[ScottyUK]

Since car forums are for car enthusiasts, it does sound weird that someone on a car enthusiasts site is not enthusiastic about a new car :confused:

[Jop]

Whether you own it, lease it, or get it through your company, there is nothing quite like cruising around in your new wheels. I would be hugely surprised, if, on an enthusiasts forum there were not threads about people being excited about their new cars and other people wanting to discuss them. What really does surprise me is that this thread exists at all!
Here here.:beerchug:

I think I'm more excited about a new car than child!!! Come on..... a child doesn't have 200+ bhp, auto unlock when you get to it, play dvd's in 5.1, have quirky features in his or her MMI.
No! We all know what children do, eat, sleep and $hit. Its well documented and all the quirks have been ironed out during evolution.

It's also easy to know the "build date" and expected delivery date of a child which is much more than I can say about a new audi.

[mcintosh2011]

I take it you have never spent your hard earned cash on a new motor ,looked forward to it arriving, looked over your options sheet and the car spec a hundred times and showed it off when you finally get it

[ScottyUK]

It's also easy to know the "build date" and expected delivery date of a child which is much more than I can say about a new audi.

Agreed. Kiddy will be extracted on 23rd June at 07:30.

Audi delivery : **** knows!!

[MalcQV]

Sorry to break it to you people, but not all users of this forum are enthusiasts, in fact an awful lot just want to find out how to fix something.

Me well I do get kind of excited when I am getting a new (old) car regardless of make, though certain ones are more exciting than others.

Like Crasher says though new cars loose so much money. Only had three of my own one of my own brand new and Mrs QV two (she still owns one after 11 years) I know we don't buy cars for an investment but the depreciation on new is massive :O

[Jop]

its impossible to get one topic without the typical
"i wouldn't buy a new car cos they lose so much money"...... "only an idiot would buy a new car" .... "yada yada bullŜhit"

im suprised no one has had a go at scotty & family for having a new baby. Why not get one that's 18yrs old and already been put through school???
Such a waste of money, think of the extra options you could of spent on your car and on holidays.

ŴŤŦ Man!!!!!

[Audi Happy]

im suprised no one has had a go at scotty & family for having a new baby. Why not get one that's 18yrs old and already been put through school???
Such a waste of money, think of the extra options you could of spent on your car and on holidays.
:You_Rock_:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Thats brill i wish i had thought of that :beerchug:

[robtt09]

Because a lot fewer cars are being bought new, at the moment ,second hand prices are rising . Motor dealer friend who just sells second hand is having a real problem sourcing good cars.He usually buys from local BMW,Audi and Merc dealers all their non franchise stuff. They are now being told to sell in group.My C320cdi which I traded in againt the Audi last week is now in a Liverpool Merc dealers .The Audi salesman told me in the past they would have put it into the trade.So those that buy second hand will not be getting the bargains they have been getting and us people in new cars will be getting much better residuals. So I hope anyway!

[troc]

iim suprised no one has had a go at scotty & family for having a new baby. Why not get one that's 18yrs old and already been put through school???
Such a waste of money, think of the extra options you could of spent on your car and on holidays.

Not only that, think of the environmental damage that this new human will cause. Whilst babies are mostly recycleable, they are notorious for release of vast amounts of greenhouse gasses!

:biglaugh:

I know I was excited about the S4 until it arrived - at which point I was gutted! However, I'm all excited again as I'll just have to wait a little bit longer and get one with 3G MMI etc :)

I'm easily pleased :beerchug:

[maisbitt]

I suspect that SIMONJO is a company car driver who never gets quite what he'd like when the company car list is drawn up.

A car is the biggest thing you can buy yourself that isn't an absolute essential (a roof over your head is essential), unless you're seriously loaded and you're getting a boat/yacht (would that extract more enthusiasm from you?).

If you don't get excited about the prospect of a new car, then you're probably just on a forum like this for repair tips.

Nothing wrong at all in being excited by the prospect of a new car, it's like christmas again (with a better present).

[onemanparty]

I think we are all giving this guy the attention he needs and wants :biglaugh:

New car or old car it is always feel good and exciting waiting to get it

[Two Audi family]

Suppose I am going to really annoy him when I get my new car in 118 hours from now. I have already framed the birth announcement I intend to post on here. I will then post pictures of my 2 A4s and my son in laws Q7.

Maybe I will send him his own copy in a PM to be sure that he does not miss it.

I have saved my pennies and will probably keep the car for 10-15 years, so I am not shy in saying that I am REALLY excited and feel like a kid waiting for Christmas

TAF

[Andy Avant]

Having never owned a brand new or been in a occupation that merits a company car I can only imagine what excitement there must be in choosing all the additional extras for your new car. My last car was a 15 yr old beemer ( dead ) but couldnt be faulted.
So whats my point !!! Well wife is expecting our first baby in Oct ( cant wait)
Wife says I need a new car
What about an Audi ?
I like the A3 she says
Too small sweetheart
What about the A4 says me
OK looks not to bad
We ll need an estate sweetheart to get the pushchair and the dog in the back
Thats true she says
What model?
Dont really care as long as its red
Tinting the rear windows would stop the sun glare on the new baby
OK get it done
What about a stereo you can play DVDs on to keep the baby amused
Maybe (still in negotiations)

RESULT A GREAT NEW MOTOR
The moral of my tale havin a kid has its uses :biglaugh:

The kid will never been as clean as my car (Ive become an enthusiast )

[Audi Happy]

"The kid will never been as clean as my car (Ive become an enthusiast )"

Obvoiusly your first child and congrats. but having kids your final line should be
"The car will never be clean now i have kids ( i've become a dad )"

Good colour choice by the way:beerchug:

[Andy Avant]

Thanks and your right
maybe the baby would like to play with the dog in the boot :biglaugh: ( only jokin !!!!!!! )

[Jop]

Having never owned a brand new or been in a occupation that merits a company car I can only imagine what excitement there must be in choosing all the additional extras for your new car. My last car was a 15 yr old beemer ( dead ) but couldnt be faulted.
So whats my point !!! Well wife is expecting our first baby in Oct ( cant wait)
Wife says I need a new car
What about an Audi ?
I like the A3 she says
Too small sweetheart
What about the A4 says me
OK looks not to bad
We ll need an estate sweetheart to get the pushchair and the dog in the back
Thats true she says
What model?
Dont really care as long as its red
Tinting the rear windows would stop the sun glare on the new baby
OK get it done
What about a stereo you can play DVDs on to keep the baby amused
Maybe (still in negotiations)

RESULT A GREAT NEW MOTOR
The moral of my tale havin a kid has its uses :biglaugh:

The kid will never been as clean as my car (Ive become an enthusiast )

Sounds like the same discussion as I had with my "advisor"
2 dogs and a big a$$ buggy fit in the boot no problem man. (avant)
I also used the sun glare on baby as an excuse to get the windaz' tinted
Also... B&o as its easier to keep the sound of the stereo out of the rear.

"Whatever" she said. "what colour"?
Is all they care about is colour? I wanna talk about LED DRL's, MPG's and BHP's. Not forgetting MMI's, AMI's, ACC and B&O's.

Where else can I talk about that apart from here? She turns off when I start.. "did you know......."




maybe the baby would like to play with the dog in the boot :biglaugh: ( only jokin !!!!!!! )
LOL :biglaugh:

[Andy Avant]

Ah feel your pain Jop :D

[ScottyUK]

I managed to get the B6 S4 (390bhp) as a sensible family car as our TT wasn't going to cut it !! :biglaugh:

I wish I'd though about buying in nearly new babies. I guess 6 weeks old or so when they're sleeping thru wouldn't be a bad deal and they'd never know the difference!! ;)

[Bratty]

Just had a quick look at this post after been away on a job for two days, and I get the distinct feel that something is trying to push our buttons

1. No response as yet! (probably phsyco-analysing the responses).
2.Guy or girl. (tipping towards someone who has to squat to ****).
3. WHY! ask that question on an Audi A4 forum (what does it expect us to chat about (Perhaps flower arranging or the Pros and con of Female circumsition?).

I know that without the positive reliable info that I have read and used on this Forum then I know personally that I would be up sh!t creek when I will pick-up my car in July because its order WAS totally messed up by a supposedly Audi trained salesman, and why in turn should that make me upset!, For the very reasons that the pros or cons of buying a new or used car on this thread are being discussed,ITS AN INDIVIDUALS CHOICE WHAT THEY DO WITH THERE LIFE (ie, money, kids, new cars etc) we all have reasons for making the final decision so opinions are important they are not always needed!

Dunk:moon:

[ScottyUK]

When I first saw this thread I thought "TROLL" but the user has a few posts to his name.

He has a right to his opinion even if it is wrong :D

[Bratty]

can not agree more but as I said in the initial contact "What is your point" and if there is no answer I can only asume it is someone out fishing.

Dunk.

[zollaf]

wish i could afford a new car:(.
my brother has recently got a new car, its only a mazda 5 thingy, but good for transporting mountain bikes. he had a rx8 before that. great fun, but pxd it the day the warranty ran out. oh there we go, ive said the magic word, warranty. you buy brand new, pay your monthly payments,(unless your rich) and any problems are taken care of. you buy used and the engine goes pop and youve got a big bill to pay.
brand new cars are great. no hidden history, no funny smells, no wear and tear. at the end of the day, we work hard to afford nice things and if anyone wants a brand new car then its up to them. and of course you get excited about it. but then to some folk a car is just to get you to work. they look at the running costs and choose the cheapest, whatever it may be, or the one with the biggest boot for all the shopping to feed the kids. some people get excited about cars(like me)and some just couldnt care less(like my mum).

[Red 2]

wish i could afford a new car:(.
my brother has recently got a new car, its only a mazda 5 thingy, but good for transporting mountain bikes. he had a rx8 before that. great fun, but pxd it the day the warranty ran out. oh there we go, ive said the magic word, warranty. you buy brand new, pay your monthly payments,(unless your rich) and any problems are taken care of. you buy used and the engine goes pop and youve got a big bill to pay.
brand new cars are great. no hidden history, no funny smells, no wear and tear. at the end of the day, we work hard to afford nice things and if anyone wants a brand new car then its up to them. and of course you get excited about it. but then to some folk a car is just to get you to work. they look at the running costs and choose the cheapest, whatever it may be, or the one with the biggest boot for all the shopping to feed the kids. some people get excited about cars(like me)and some just couldnt care less(like my mum).

Very true....good well balanced post!:)

[Black Phantom]

wish i could afford a new car:(.
my brother has recently got a new car, its only a mazda 5 thingy, but good for transporting mountain bikes. he had a rx8 before that. great fun, but pxd it the day the warranty ran out. oh there we go, ive said the magic word, warranty. you buy brand new, pay your monthly payments,(unless your rich) and any problems are taken care of. you buy used and the engine goes pop and youve got a big bill to pay.
brand new cars are great. no hidden history, no funny smells, no wear and tear. at the end of the day, we work hard to afford nice things and if anyone wants a brand new car then its up to them. and of course you get excited about it. but then to some folk a car is just to get you to work. they look at the running costs and choose the cheapest, whatever it may be, or the one with the biggest boot for all the shopping to feed the kids. some people get excited about cars(like me)and some just couldnt care less(like my mum).

Nice post! The point I suppose is live and let live. I'm pretty sure that the original poster knew that they were going to get the reaction that has transpired. After all this forum is for cars 2008 on.

[ScottyUK]

.... pay your monthly payments,(unless your rich)

Aha !! One of my pet subjects! ;)

Surely by paying more e.g. interest on it you've got to be able to afford more than someone who doesn't take out a loan.

I know you're still not convinced.

So here goes.....

Imagine you have no car, you put aside money each month pretending you have. Once you have enough for the car you want you buy it ...CASH! Then you own a car and have no debt. Whilst in this position you put money aside each month pretending it's your monthly car payment. When you choose to/when you have enough, you upgrade your car .... CASH! When you've got your next car and you have no debt you continue to put the money aside........repeating for each car.

I therefore buy my cars cash and don't have to pay anyone any interest and it's cheaper. Therefore who's got to be richer ? Those that can afford the interest or those you use a little bit of nous and exhibit a little bit of patience ?

;)

[Bratty]

It also boils down to peoples individual circumstances and experiences I mean I have personnaly bought many New Cars in my life because as they were bought Tax Free as a perk being posted overseas in the military only to be sold a year later in the UK for the same money I paid or MORE!! and once the perk was not available I swore that I would never buy another New Car again (depreciation, waiting lists, etc.) But now the economy is SO messed up I can pay for my car in the UK but using Euro money and basically save over a third of the price of the car in doing so!! So I am in principle buying a new car for second hand European prices! It is VERY Wierd! Oppurtunism I believe some people would call it, but there are disadvantages too, The Salesman.

Dunk

[smellster]

I therefore buy my cars cash and don't have to pay anyone any interest and it's cheaper. Therefore who's got to be richer ? Those that can afford the interest or those you use a little bit of nous and exhibit a little bit of patience ?

Seems like a good philosophy and one I adhere to. However like Bratty it helps when you're being paid in Euros especially at the moment, I specced a similar 3.0tdi avant on the Italian audi site and at the current exchange rates would have cost approx £15000 more! Audi must be taking a beating in the UK with the current exchange rate.

[Andy Avant]

So the discussion goes on! What does it matter how people feel when they get either a new or second hand car thats a personal thing and if they wish to disclose that to others then good on them. The same goes for how people pay for they re car / pride and joy. I couldnt give a monkey's how the bloke next door is payin for his 09 X5 its none of my business.
Yes I m writing on a forum for 2008 cars onwards and mines is 2006 I thought the forum was for VAG vehicles. Im just glad I ve got an Audi :D as Im sure are the rest of the guys who contribute to this forum regardless of they re cars age. To some people a car is a mode of transport others its something a bit more than that, once again who cares.

The one thing we should all remember is the first time you drove your first car you were king of the road some people still feel like that years later and they cant be faulted for that :p

Rant over

[Scott9824]

I didn't bother reading through this whole thread....but what's the point in working hard for my money if I can't enjoy or look forward to things?

[Red 2]

I don't care how people pay for their cars.

I don't judge cars or the drivers by the cost of that lump of metal.

I don't care whether a car is new or old but I do start to pay attention if it has interesting design features and/or is a functionally good design. And you don't have to spend ££££ to get such a car, sorry Audi..and I say that with a much liked family A4.

I just enjoy cars, old or new (don't worship them) and that I suspect is what most car enthusiasts do.

As happy in an old rusty classic as in a shiny piece of uber techno kit.Sorry Audi, we like our B8 A4 and it is a great family car but, how can I put this,for real fun I would rather take an old mini out in the country.

So horses for courses, no right or wrong, just IMPO enjoy whatever your favoured set of wheels is and don't worry about how people got their transport or how old it is.

And anyone who is enthusiastic about any hobby is inevitably labelled as sad by their wife! Been there....... still am there!:biglaugh:

[Jop]

I can't believe this discussion is still going on.
It's dull and repetative.

Twice a month I have to deal with gypsies talking about buying second hand.
Can I direct these gypsies to the eBay forums where they will find plenty of like minded indviduals.

[sbt]

well i will tell you what to do dont click on it vwaudi forum is for normal people who love there cars and repair there cars with very helpful tips from other members thats what this forum is about its called passion we members not gypsy,s who by second hand cars are the back bone of this forum how good would it be and what could you learn running to the dealer with every little problem ok you can afford new cars not a problem BUT DONT REFER TO OTHER MEMBERS AS GYPSY,S you have no right to voice your high and mighty oppinions about other members in that way

[zollaf]

thats a bit below the belt refering to us used car owners as gypsies. as ive said, i would love to buy a new car, but can neither afford or justify it. i have a stonking mortgage to pay, my near classic audi coupe, landrover discovery, landrover lightweight and a honda civic. shmbo has just gone out and spanked nearly £3k on a new mountain bike and i will be doing the same in a couple of months. i run my own garage, so all my cars get a lot of attention, and want for nothing. if my circumstances were different then i would go out and buy a brand new motor, and it would be a lot better than yours.:p...

[Black Phantom]

well i will tell you what to do dont click on it vwaudi forum is for normal people who love there cars and repair there cars with very helpful tips from other members thats what this forum is about its called passion we members not gypsy,s who by second hand cars are the back bone of this forum how good would it be and what could you learn running to the dealer with every little problem ok you can afford new cars not a problem BUT DONT REFER TO OTHER MEMBERS AS GYPSY,S you have no right to voice your high and mighty oppinions about other members in that way

Seriously good people of the forum. This wee bit of the forum is for those with new or damn near new cars. So don't come on to this turf and bleat about changing oil and replacing various bits and telling me that this is what the forum is about. It is PART of what the forum is about. I am sure there are bits of the forum which deal with what interests you so you would do well to stick to those bits. So don't call me abnormal because I don't repair my car and don't think that you can't have passion for a brand spanking new car.

[Jop]

once again the tongue in cheek smiliey would be handy.

But to retort.
I dont understand why people come onto a forum area dedicated to a car thats just been released, ask the people who have brought one all about it and then tell them they are stupid for buying one such a waste of money. If they can call me an IDIOT, then I can most certainly call them GYPSY'S.

Gotta run, I have a charity Polo match to attend. We'll be discussing the purchasing of small african children to raise them as our own.
Cheerio

For the record, my other car (a rarri) was brought 2nd hand, so there!

@Black Phantom.
:) Thanks... It's nice to know someone out there understands me.

[zollaf]

er, hate to break it to you, but your the only one thats mentioned idiot and new car in this thread. new cars loosing money has been mentioned, but also stated its a personal choice. most things you buy loose money, especially houses in a recession. its all about getting excited about the arrival of your spanking new motor. i dream of the day a new rs4 is sitting outside, the buzz from it would be amazing. but for now i will have to make do with a soon to be mine orange 5 pro, with hope tech v2 brakes with floating saw tooth rotors.

[troc]

make do with a soon to be mine orange 5 pro, with hope tech v2 brakes with floating saw tooth rotors.

Very nice piece of full-sus two-wheeled goodness :)

Living in Holland, I stick to front suspension. Got decent kit though - XT groupset, Avid Juicy Carbon brakes and Manitau R7 air shocks. Then again, the poor thing spends most of the time in the store room as I use 20kg of generic Dutch bike to commute with :(

[zollaf]

why thank you kind sir. shmbo has just got a diva pro, with the hope upgrades and it is lush. i feel for you having no hills to fly down. here in wales we have nothing flat, its all hills.

[Bratty]

I would just like to say that I find some of the comments in the last bunch of threads very dirogitary, as a Genuine 100% Quarter Gypsy myself I find it quite offensive that some people automatically asume that when we are mentioned it is taken in a bad way, shame on you Zollaf and everyone else who thinks that we are something stuck to your shoe!!!
Got to dash as the rozzers are knocking on the caravan door! And another days worth of knive sharpining and I will be able to upgrade my A4 to Sat Nav.

Dunk

[maisbitt]

Troc: You're brave....having a half decent bike in Holland. I thought there were that many bike thefts in Holland, it was no longer considered thaft, but recycling (someone takes yours, so you take someone elses....and the cycle continues).

Been to Amsterdam many times and never seen many nice bikes, but I once saw a crane barge dredging one of the canals near the Rijks museum - every yard dredges seemed to yield 3 bikes that had been thrown into the canal.

At the Rijks museum I saw the most blatant attempted bike theft - An American student had just chained his bike to railings and was literally 1 yard (0.9metres in metric) away from it when a druggie looking hobo whipped out the chain cutters to start attacking the lock. The Yank beat him black and blue with his own chain cutters.

Back to topic. People have different reasons for buying new or second hand. I like VAG cars, they hold their value very well.

So well in fact, that I wouldn't entertain buying a year old one. The dealers charge almost as much for a year old car as you can get a new one for with some well negotiated discount. This is the only reason I buy new.

If I liked Fords or Mazdas as much, I'd buy a 2 year old one for 1/2 the new price instead of a new Audi or VW.

[troc]

Troc: You're brave....having a half decent bike in Holland. I thought there were that many bike thefts in Holland, it was no longer considered thaft, but recycling (someone takes yours, so you take someone elses....and the cycle continues).


That's why I have 2 bikes :) This is common practice in Holland, most people have one crappy bike which they use when it's going to be left somewhere insecure and one decent bike they use for weekend rides, family visits etc. Sometimes the decent bike is simply a smart Dutch bike and sometimes it's a racing bike or MTB (and sometimes they are like a few of my mates, who have 4 or 5 bikes). You'll often see locks which are worth more than the bikes themselves on the ones parked outside stations and things.

As to cars, I'm just lucky that I'm in a situation where I can buy a fairly expensive car outright. I decided never to buy a car on credit so it was a case of buying second-hand (which I have done in the past) or saving up for a while :)

John

Ps 2 and a half really, but you can't go far on a unicycle :)

[B6Andy101]

"strange smelling old cars" .... i guess thats a thread all of its own.

A mate of mine had his Alfa nicked and recovered a couple of days later. No sign of damage when he picked it up, so he took it home to clean it. Shall we say he was "rather upset" to find a used condom under the drivers seat.

Show me a man more excited about getting his new car. :D

[zollaf]

I would just like to say that I find some of the comments in the last bunch of threads very dirogitary, as a Genuine 100% Quarter Gypsy myself I find it quite offensive that some people automatically asume that when we are mentioned it is taken in a bad way, shame on you Zollaf and everyone else who thinks that we are something stuck to your shoe!!!
Got to dash as the rozzers are knocking on the caravan door! And another days worth of knive sharpining and I will be able to upgrade my A4 to Sat Nav.

Dunk
shame on me? im not the one who broached the term in the first place. i merely pointed out that i prefer not to be referred to as a gypsy for owning a used car, the same as i wouldnt like to be called scottish, or irish, or spanish, or american. i did not refer to a gypsy as something i have scraped off my shoe, or indeed in any negative way. if you took it the wrong way, then please read the thread again.i think you will find that jop first used the term, pointing towards ebay.
I can't believe this discussion is still going on.

It's dull and repetative.



Twice a month I have to deal with gypsies talking about buying second hand.

Can I direct these gypsies to the eBay forums where they will find plenty of like minded indviduals.

[Bratty]

Hey Zollaf, perhaps you want take a couple of chillpills, If you take life so seriously then I can only imagine that you have spent all your money on bicycle accessories and forgot all about the main bits like a seat! I can imagine riding down a welsh mountain road with all those cobblestone and just a stem sticking up is enough to make anyone a bit sensitive.

Dunk (jock, porridgewog etc. (water off a ducks back)!