Why spend £2000 on a Sat Nav ?

[HighwayTG]

I had Sat Nav in my previous Saab which I hardly ever used so I didn't order one for the A4 especially as £2000 seems extortionate for a system that does half of what many portable Sat Nav's do at 10th of the price.

Anyway last week I had to attend a party in the middle of nowhere so I got my Garmin out and was about to attach it to the windscreen when I discovered I could sit it in front of the MMI screen where the sucker makes good contact with the plastic base.

Fair enough you can’t see the MMI screen with the Garmin in place but it looks quite smart and for occasional use I think this is an ideal position, especially as the Garmin battery lasts about 2.5 hours, so no ungainly wires that often.


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[sakura]

I found that the suction pad comes unstuck after a while - plastic slightly rough. I used the stick on pad supplied right in the left hand corner and angled the bracket a litle to the left too. Result - I can see the sat nav ( Garmin 760 ) and the MMI. I routed the feed cable down the side of the console, under the side trim and feed from the golvebox.

[ScottyUK]

£2k for an end of life piece of technology that won't do full post code search, can't have updated POIs, no camera warning, no flying/3D view, no text to voice, etc etc etc is terrible.

The 3G will come in around the same price (can't see how they can put it up if they want to sell any). If 3G as coming soon (Audi told me 2nd half of the year) then I may have waited and gone for it but since it's not it was an easy choice not to have it. With the technology pack and the other options I had listed the difference would "only" have been £1250 for me to add it but when my trusted TomTom does it all far better I decided to keep that money for other things.

[onemanparty]

£2k for an end of life piece of technology that won't do full post code search, can't have updated POIs, no camera warning, no flying/3D view, no text to voice, etc etc etc is terrible.

The 3G will come in around the same price (can't see how they can put it up if they want to sell any). If 3G as coming soon (Audi told me 2nd half of the year) then I may have waited and gone for it but since it's not it was an easy choice not to have it. With the technology pack and the other options I had listed the difference would "only" have been £1250 for me to add it but when my trusted TomTom does it all far better I decided to keep that money for other things.

I have a Q5 (on a long weekend test drive with 3G MMI (By the way 3G just means 3rd Generation) still no full post code and at present I do not think there will be!!! I also have SAT NAV Plus in my S3 but still have a Road Angel Nav 7000 which is great at cameras etc but after now having seen and used the new Audi system I would pay the money :approve:

[ScottyUK]

For the new one (3G) yes - but are you saying you'd spend £2k on the current A4 system?

[onemanparty]

For the new one (3G) yes - but are you saying you'd spend £2k on the current A4 system?

Not saying I would!! I did on my A4 Sline (B8) which went back 2 weeks ago! Great system better than my Road Angel and the Tom Tom I had which I sold on e-bay. Only down side Post Codes in the UK which does not on the S3 and has not been any trouble

[ScottyUK]

I'm intrigued! Did I read it right that you found it better than your TomTom?

My TomTom has so much more than I thought the OEM system so what am I missing here?

:confused:

[rd1]

Scottyuk,
I also paid and very pleased with it, previous inbuilt sat navs I have had are not a touch on the audi one once you get used to it and its much better then any portable ones I have used. I find the postcode is also ok with the road list to supplement but agree no cam detector so I use a 'Novus rider' cam detector £99 with free updates for life and absolutely superb operation, no wires as rechargeable etc.

All down to choice then, personally don't see the point of upgrading to B and O, heated seats or fancy wheels but accept and respect others want to spend their hard earned cash on them. Overall the car is brilliant and for me the full MMI etc is all part of having the best.
Roger

[ScottyUK]

It's not a criticism of anyone spending money having it fitted. We all chose options based on personal wants, requirements, needs, number of miles we do etc etc.

The situation is that if I can add it for £1250 then I'd simply like to know what I'm getting for the cash aside from the integration.

I've only used the existing system for a few weeks when I had a loaner so may be missing things but I'm not sure what to put on the list of positives against all the negatives. The only one I can think of is that the TMC works better.

I'm not criticising. I'm asking for help! ;)

[onemanparty]

I'm intrigued! Did I read it right that you found it better than your TomTom?

My TomTom has so much more than I thought the OEM system so what am I missing here?

:confused:

Yes you did. Apart from Post Codes and Camera detectors (Which I think will never be added to MFR spec as they are Illegal in France and other European countries) I like the system it very easy to use.

Down side to Portable Sat Nav

Had my car broken in to twice as you could see the marks on the window.
Slow in city's like Birmingham and London we Tom Tom One was

[ScottyUK]

OK - I've been fortunate that I've never suffered from the two issues you've had.

The things I'd miss if I go for it built in are below. Please let me know what the OEM can do from the list as I may be doing it a dis-service :

3d view
ability to plan routes in advance and in doors (ok can do on web but then not upload
ability to loan plans from Google maps
ability to plot routes after a journey
ability to set an itinery (i.e. multiple stops enroute
full post code
selectable and updatable POIs including cameras
travel via a poi
travel via alternative (avoid roadblock etc)
map corrections within a sensible time frame and at a sensbile price
spoken names of towns and destinations i.e. turn left of M11 towards London"
speed limit display
choices of voice that suit mood
compass display
ability to tailor it to my preferences (e.g. what's displayed, colour scheme etc)

Cheers

[onemanparty]

OK - I've been fortunate that I've never suffered from the two issues you've had.

The things I'd miss if I go for it built in are below. Please let me know what the OEM can do from the list as I may be doing it a dis-service :

3d view
ability to plan routes in advance and in doors (ok can do on web but then not upload
ability to loan plans from Google maps
ability to plot routes after a journey
ability to set an itinery (i.e. multiple stops enroute
full post code
selectable and updatable POIs including cameras
travel via a poi
travel via alternative (avoid roadblock etc)
map corrections within a sensible time frame and at a sensbile price
spoken names of towns and destinations i.e. turn left of M11 towards London"
speed limit display
choices of voice that suit mood
compass display
ability to tailor it to my preferences (e.g. what's displayed, colour scheme etc)

Cheers

3d view - available on OEM Nav
ability to plot routes after a journey ???
ability to set an itinery (i.e. multiple stops enroute - available on OEM Nav
selectable and updatable POIs including cameras - POI yes but never cameras and never will be. (By the way it is possible soon that Tom Tom and the rest will not be able to provide Camera information)
travel via a poi - available on OEM Nav
travel via alternative (avoid roadblock etc) - TMC
spoken names of towns and destinations i.e. turn left of M11 towards London" - Available on OEM Nav
compass display - Available on OEM Nav with altitude
ability to tailor it to my preferences (e.g. what's displayed, colour scheme etc) - Yes you can remove / hide POI and you do not need to touch the screen for day and night

All available on 2nd & 3rd Generation Audi Nav

[ScottyUK]

Cheers - looks like I may need to go and have another look although lots seems missing.

If I go for it then the tech pack is the cost effective option and getting the same discount as previously agreed would means it's around £1150 which is a lot more sensible that £2k but still a lot when it's a system about to be replaced.

ponder ponder.....

p.s. "plot routes after the jounney" - TomTom runs on Linux hence I have addtional apps on it. One allows you to plot your route taking points every few seconds and then allow you to put it on Google Earth etc

[Col]

This thread is so funny;

£2k on a sat-nav, thats more than I'd currently consider spending on a car !

Are the OEM £2k versions really 20x better than a £100 tom-tom? Suppose they look all nice and integrated and gives you something to play with in traffic jams, but come on, do you really get that lost that often to justify one in the first place be it a £2k oem or a £0.1k tom-tom? I know my £0.1k tom-tom spends months at a time sat in the glovebox.

This is what I love about this forum, it goes from the sublime to the ridiculus. Read that as new cars (here) vs bangers (more my scene), brilliant.


edit...

Suppose it is all proportional, if you are splashing out £20k+ on a car, then another £2k is nothing.

I thanks all for buying new as without you there would be no 2nd hand !

[onemanparty]

This thread is so funny;.

This is what I love about this forum, it goes from the sublime to the ridiculus. Read that as new cars (here) vs bangers (more my scene), brilliant.
!

Now that a thread I may have to start New Vs Old?

[Naseem]

I've used a couple of sat navs and much prefer the Garmin over the Tom Tom. UI is much easier to navigate, even my uncle who hates digital technology found it easier to use than his sons Tom Tom.

However, I think the main point here is the price, 2K for something you can ultimately get for about 300 or less. Garmin make some really slim units now easy enough to fit into your pocket. It all seems a bit much to spend 2K on an integrated unit when I can get the same and in some cases better portable units for a fraction of the price. I think I'd rather have another option or simply pocket the difference for a rainy day!

[onemanparty]

I've used a couple of sat navs and much prefer the Garmin over the Tom Tom. UI is much easier to navigate, even my uncle who hates digital technology found it easier to use than his sons Tom Tom.

However, I think the main point here is the price, 2K for something you can ultimately get for about 300 or less. Garmin make some really slim units now easy enough to fit into your pocket. It all seems a bit much to spend 2K on an integrated unit when I can get the same and in some cases better portable units for a fraction of the price. I think I'd rather have another option or simply pocket the difference for a rainy day!

True.

But some people would pay the price. After all you can buy a new car for £5000 or £8,500.000 it up to you what you spend.

After having my car broken in twice because of the portable SAT NAV marks on the front screen (No the cage was not present) :zx11:. I believe its a price worth paying.

[kodkod.84]

I thanks all for buying new as without you there would be no 2nd hand !


Yep- can I have first refusal on your B8 Scotty when you sell it- (I know you haven't even got it yet, but the spec looks class, and you've ordered a nice colour ;))

[ScottyUK]

The plan is to keep you waiting as long as possible :p

I spent an hour (or two!!) at Audi today looking at a car with and a car without. I think on the one with I went through every menu option. I want to know what it can and can't do prior to deciding for definate so this makes sense (to me at least)

My review (impartial as I don't have a B8 with or without it!)

Appareance :

I prefer the look of the MMI by the gear shift. It looks like lots of blanking space otherwise. However the car with NAV seems to waste lots of space with the 6CD head unit. They can hide the 6CD Sympony on the non-NAV car (i.e. it's behind the MMI controls) but it uses a lot of dash space on the NAV car. I don't know if there's a size of technical difference but the screen seems better on the NAV version.

Use :

The controls by the gear definately seem more natural. Admittedly you may remove your vision from the road for a fraction longer but I think in no-time I'd be using them all by touch and not by looking regardless of their position although I think that's more difficult on the non-NAV car. Of course without NAV you'd be using the dial a whole lot less anyway as the steering wheel can do a lot of the radio/CD/phone stuff. I did find it less comfortable despite the gear stick becoming a natural temporary arm rest.

SatNav :

I found it much better than I was expecting. The details not there like on my TomTom but it does work quite well. I like the map display options particularly the overview which shows the whole route and then zooms for the junctions etc if you wish.
There were more POI's than I expected but I'd prefer the ability of TomTom to pick and choose such as (Tesco's, Steak houses, etc). I was disappointed that when I put in the 5 digit postcode for where I live, it simply replaced it with the town name. It didn't even restrict the roads available to the entered postcode and just littled all in the town. Not useful at all. My TomTom takes you to the close area of the full postcode.

The ability to set multiple stops is very limited. i.e. it can handle 3. When I go abroad I plot a route of maybe 15 or 20 points so I go exactly where I want. The Audi unit was quicker working out a 500 mile route though.

Although the Audi Nav does say roads e.g. "turn left on to A 1 1", it doesn't do what my TomTom does e.g. "turn left on to Acacia Avenue towards Norwich" i.e. it actually says town names and road names out loud which helps avoid confusion. The voice on the Audi NAV also seemed of low quality recording and wasn't selectable. It also occasionally clipped the ends off instructions but that may be because it was in demo mode.

I couldn't change the maps colours etc night and day and my TomTom auto switches between these and lets me choose the actual colour scheme.

I also didn't notice a way of just saying "choose me a different route" to the one selected i.e. what's the second choice?

Ultimately the Audi one is limited becuase it's burnt on to a DVD. The new 3G will allow a lot more flexibility.


Since I'm looking at making a choice now, it's quite difficult. :confused:



I've attached some pics that may assist others in the future.

[Naseem]

True.

But some people would pay the price. After all you can buy a new car for £5000 or £8,500.000 it up to you what you spend.

After having my car broken in twice because of the portable SAT NAV marks on the front screen (No the cage was not present) :zx11:. I believe its a price worth paying.

I have a microfibre cloth (kept in the car) that I use wipe the screen after I remove the satnav. The SatNav never stays in the car, it's quite slim so easily slides into my pocket, probably just a tad thicker than an iPhone. I can also use the satnav in any one of the other cars that I use or when a family member wants to borrow it. ;)

The cloth also comes in handy to wipe the finger prints off the windows from the kids. :(


Regarding the cage not being present, I see so many people who leave the cages in; they're just asking for it.

[martin@wolfy]

In direct answer to the question i can say the best reason is that it may prevent some scumbag breaking in to pinch a standalone one as they tried on my s-line yesterday. Broke the window resulting in glass everywhere and scratches down the door and on the interior. He clocked mine in the window when i drove into the carpark. At least he did not get the satnav as i take it out but the damage is extensive,

Do i wish now i had built in satnav!

wolfy!!!

[A1287210]

The reason why changed from Tom Tom:

What a faf! - Getting the Tom Tom out, waiting for it to power up, trying to find the plunger to fit it on the windscreen, but you moved it cos it wont fit in your glove box or arm rest, (as these seem to be getting smaller and smaller, and of course full of gloves) Then it wont stick to the window, which leaves a mark and then thieves know you have a SAT NAV unit so you have to clean the inside of your window to get rid of the marks, then it runs out of power, so you need to attach a lead to cigarette lighters, removing phone chargers as you go......

[Jop]

.... because the car looks rubbish without it.
The area around the gear stick appears to be straight out of a skoda.

[ScottyUK]

I've decided to add SatNAv to my spec for the various reasons (in no particular order) :

[1] aesthetics - I think it look nicer with MMI controls and buttons around the gear stick

[2] ergonomics - I think it works much better having it down where you can use it with your arm on the rest.

[3] technical - the screen seems to display the text parts in a clearer manner. It seems it's a less pixalated font. Minor technical issue - it will mean the B&O system becomes optical and this apparently gives it a minor sound quality improvement. I also think this may help if I ever look at retro fitting 3G.

[4] functionality - although it's not as good (in my opinion) as the TomTom, it is a lot better than I thought (thanks for your comments especially to onemanparty which made me go and give it a good workout ;)

[5] security - theft proof but mainly less chance of a smashed window

[6] price - maybe I'm just convincing myself but here's the maths :
1116 - cost to add it to my spec after discount etc
250-500 benefit to residual when it comes time to sell
150-300 cost that I'd have to spend on a replacement TomTom in the time I'll own this car.
This means worst case it's only actually "costing" between £300 and £600 to install which cost per year is acceptable to me.

Downsides - I only recently paid for TomTom map upgrades and I've two 4Gb SD cards on order :Blush2:

[onemanparty]

I've decided to add SatNAv to my spec for the various reasons (in no particular order) :

[1] aesthetics - I think it look nicer with MMI controls and buttons around the gear stick

[2] ergonomics - I think it works much better having it down where you can use it with your arm on the rest.

[3] technical - the screen seems to display the text parts in a clearer manner. It seems it's a less pixalated font. Minor technical issue - it will mean the B&O system becomes optical and this apparently gives it a minor sound quality improvement. I also think this may help if I ever look at retro fitting 3G.

[4] functionality - although it's not as good (in my opinion) as the TomTom, it is a lot better than I thought (thanks for your comments especially to onemanparty which made me go and give it a good workout ;)

[5] security - theft proof but mainly less chance of a smashed window

[6] price - maybe I'm just convincing myself but here's the maths :
1116 - cost to add it to my spec after discount etc
250-500 benefit to residual when it comes time to sell
150-300 cost that I'd have to spend on a replacement TomTom in the time I'll own this car.
This means worst case it's only actually "costing" between £300 and £600 to install which cost per year is acceptable to me.

Downsides - I only recently paid for TomTom map upgrades and I've two 4Gb SD cards on order :Blush2:

Hi ScottyUK

I believe you have made the right decision :beerchug:

[Naseem]

250-500 benefit to residual when it comes time to sell


Would an integrated SatNav really make £250-500 difference in selling value?

[ScottyUK]

In reality I don't know. However...

...when I was speaking to the dealers saying I wasn't having it, comment was along the lines of "it is £2k and it would only be worth about £250-500 come resale".

Dunno what will happen. We intend keeping the car a good few years so I think it will be more expected than now. It may not add anything in the end but it will help with being selected other others I guess.

[ScottyUK]

Just found this info which backs up my findings about the non-nav screen being worse resolution and smaller.

It seems Audi are selling Nav and non-Nav cars as the same but without Nav when clearly it's not as clear as that.

This article is what all dealers should read so that they can inform their customers correctly !!

http://www.geocities.com/a6retrofit/articles/a4a5realmmi.html

[cpd1]

I am of the same opinion to ScottyUK. I think for a car above >£30k, you really need to have the built-in Sat Nav. TomTom and Garmin are great for cheaper cars but for a nice premium car, it is a no brainer. The integration is much better, the car looks like it should. Went to 2 dealers this w-e, all the A4s on display had sat nav, clearly it is all about appealling to the punters but nevertheless.
Comes trade in time it will make the car more appealling and easier to sell but for sure you will never recover the £2000, although with discounts and packages these days, it really is not that much.

[Two Audi family]

Oh no!

Wish I had not read this thread. I have ordered for late May delivery a 2.0TDI Sline saloon with £3500 work of "options", one of which is NOT SatNav. I had convinced myself that a Garmin at £300 will do fine. But reading this thread and Local's excellent article, how do I convince she who must be obeyed that I should make a quick trip to the dealer to add SatNav?

Any suggestions gratefully received. She has been there for nearly 40 years, so trading her in is not an option, even though she is still in very good condition!!:biglaugh:

TAF

[AZO1]

Had a similar dilema TAF.
Missus not keen on sat nav option (on cost grounds!)
However, I managed to negotiate price down considerably (sat nav component of tech pack came in below £1K).
I feel it was to right decision to go with the integrated sat nav. No more messing around with fixing/removing the portable sat nav etc. Also, ScottyUK's info above indicates that there is more to the sat nav option than meets the eye.

Looking forward to the new car (2.OTFSI S-line Avant with quite a few 'goodies') - collection date estimated at 2nd March

[sparky208]

hi chaps can any1 here help me out please i have an a3 with sat nave i put in a memory card at the back of the screen wanting to play mp3 and the hole thing just died i think there was a tiny bit of smoke i think the thing is fried it sometimes flickers and sometimes can here the dvd rom trying to boot seems to be dead does any1 no were i can get it repaired audi want £104 just to look at it :zx11:

[Col]

As some of you may know, I got a 2nd hand A6 a few weeks ago with the RNSE system in it.

You were all quite RIGHT.

Even this RNSE being older version is simply amazing, the later MMI versions must be stunning.

Only things to add are, you don't get the speed camera facility on the RNSE (do you / can you on the MMI?).

Gents, get your top notch MMI nav systems ordered as, when in three years time when I buy your car 2nd hand, it will have it !! :p... and I will be pleased !!!

[onemanparty]

As some of you may know, I got a 2nd hand A6 a few weeks ago with the RNSE system in it.

You were all quite RIGHT.

Even this RNSE being older version is simply amazing, the later MMI versions must be stunning.

Only things to add are, you don't get the speed camera facility on the RNSE (do you / can you on the MMI?).

Gents, get your top notch MMI nav systems ordered as, when in three years time when I buy your car 2nd hand, it will have it !! :p... and I will be pleased !!!

No cameras on the any SAT NAV from Audi. Unfortunately the Europeans do not what any of the MFR's to add this.

Glad you like the car and that you did manage to get a CD Nav disk for it.

[Issac Hunt]

No cameras on the any SAT NAV from Audi. Unfortunately the Europeans do not what any of the MFR's to add this.


Says who? In Holland you get camera warnings on the RNS-E via the TMC function.

[onemanparty]

Says who? In Holland you get camera warnings on the RNS-E via the TMC function.

TMC is not the same as having the Cameras appear on the SAT NAV and if they do in Holland lucky them. No plans in the UK reference Audi UK. That would be why they sell Road Angels in the dealers!!

[Issac Hunt]

TMC is not the same as having the Cameras appear on the SAT NAV and if they do in Holland lucky them.

The camera warnings do appear on the SAT-NAV system. If the UK government allowed camera locations to be broadcast over the TMC network then we could have the same function in this country.

Sadly they wont as they arent interested in slowing cars down, just merely cashing in the fines generated by our 'safety' cameras.

[onemanparty]

The camera warnings do appear on the SAT-NAV system. If the UK government allowed camera locations to be broadcast over the TMC network then we could have the same function in this country.

Sadly they wont as they arent interested in slowing cars down, just merely cashing in the fines generated by our 'safety' cameras.

:confused: Does not stop Tom Tom and Road Angel even the AA (Road Map)

[Red 2]

Truth is there isn't a right or wrong answer to this.

All sorts of factors come into the equation...who is paying for the car, who pays for the updates, do you need speed camera locations, does the owner switch cars etc.

So if you have a TomTom/Garmin etc., rejoice and be happy with your purchase like millions of others!

And if you have an Audi Satnav, rejoice and be happy with your purchase like hundreds of thousands (soon no doubt to be millions) other owners!

Me? Well, I've a TomTom with speed cameras updated weekly for European use that flits between cars.....

[browellm]

Not having the cash to splash on the Audi integrated system, I bought one of the latest TomTom's with HD Traffic and IQ routes.

Aesthetics aside, the HD traffic system is phenomenal. It p***es all over TMC, and while the downside is you have to subscribe to the service, it is well worth it, if like me, you hate traffic jams.

[onemanparty]

Well this thread keeps going and going and as some of you know I have had my fair share of input into this so I started another thread with a poll

Please see link

http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=62328

The Poll is for Integrated SAT NAV Vs Tom Tom etc

Happy voting!!! :biglaugh:

[Bristle Hound]

No brainer really when you can get 1 for under £45!

See http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146672

[onemanparty]

No brainer really when you can get 1 for under £45!

See http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146672

Are you sure it a no brainer? If so why do some of us go for it?

[Bristle Hound]

Are you sure it a no brainer? If so why do some of us go for it?

Because you've all got too much money? :outtahere:biglaugh:

[onzarob]

Because you've all got too much money? :outtahere:biglaugh:

I've got a MFD2 that I fitted (Came at the right price) The only thing that annoys me now is the updated CD costs more than a TomTom One:(

But it does look nice:D

[Flakmunky]

Hi,

Interesting debate, I'll chuck my opinion in...

I bought my RNS-E from ebay for £500. Not an option for B8 owners (?) but that is about what OEM sat nav is worth, imo...

On integration with the car... No one has mentioned the turn instructions displayed in the instrument cluster, instructions relayed over the speakers (and only the drivers speaker at that), integration with the steering wheel controls and bluetooth...

Worth £2k? No. £1k? Maybe. £500? Its a no-brainer!

I've been looking at a B8 and I would spec it if I could get a good discount...

[AZO1]

Some good points there Flakmunky re turn instructions in DIS etc.
I calculate I paid just below 1K for sat nav plus as part of tech pack & feel it is a fair price for the integration etc. I agree 2K no way.

[AZO1]

Just to add that tech pack was heavily discounted ;)

[Issac Hunt]

I guess its worth what people will pay.

I'd never have bought my A6 without it (used)

Worth 2k? I guess that depends on what 2k means to people, for some 2k is nothing, for others its a fortune. Depends how much cash you have in the end!

[gregpawley]

Because you've all got too much money? :outtahere:biglaugh:

And with the money you save you can buy some Quattro badges for your FWD (sorry couldn't resist seeing all the flak from the other thread).

[Bristle Hound]

And with the money you save you can buy some Quattro badges for your FWD (sorry couldn't resist seeing all the flak from the other thread).

Ouch! :biglaugh:

They didn't cost me £1950 tho' :p:D

[Flakmunky]

Can't understand why people buy those badges, either!

[Jop]

LOL... Its still going..

Post a comment anywhere, find something vaguely related somewhere and post one.

Brilliant, best forum banter since the 1980's


Yes, I think DVD-Nav is great (Still on topic).

[Bristle Hound]

Can't understand why people buy those badges, either!

You'll get into trouble saying things like that! :buttkick: :biglaugh:

[onemanparty]

Can't understand why people buy those badges, either!

Its not up to you and its not your car - Hope thats sorted it

Back to the SAT NAV OEM Rules

If you could you all would :D

[ScottyUK]

People should just stick a cut out picture from Google maps in their MMI Low screen and pretend that it's got Nav.

Sure it won't be any good but at least one owner will be happy that it impresses the neighbours ;)

[Col]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/colin__/Ladies__Handbag.jpg

[Eshrules]

Guys, keep the thread OT please.