new key clocks & barrels.

[cob]

hi everyone i am new to the site so bear with me thanks...:Blush2:

i have a a4 2.5 v6 tdi avant 2004 i have put second hand locks keys and ignition barrels in oh and clock cluster. when i turn the key the word "SAFE"
appears on the clock cluster display and will not start or crank over, everything else seems to be ok. ignition lights come on. will it be somthing to do with the key code and ecu please help thanks kindly cob.

[smokey0123]

You need to swap the little transponder chips over, put the 1 out your old key into th new key

[cob]

hi thanks for the swift reply, sorry i forgot to tell you that i havent got the old keys :o.
anything else i can do.... thanks

[smokey0123]

Then you will need new transponders if the keys are second hand and will need the programmed with diagnostic equipment (VAG COM or similar) and will need the skc code to program them (Can be retrieved from the instrument cluster with vag tacho). Your best bet would be to have a decent mobile auto locksmith come out and do it for you.

[cob]

thanks will ring around for a auto lock smith see how it goes will let you know :approve: cheers.

[elPaulio]

Surely, if the keys came from the same car as the clocks then the immobiliser in the clocks will be looking for the old keys!!

I think it's more to do with the clocks knowing that they are in a different car and need programmed to tell it that its a new car.

In theory I could take my clocks and key and stick them in an RS4 and happily drive it away otherwise :D

Just my thoughts on the matter

Paul :biglaugh:

[a8 tech]

Hang on.


After a theft of the dash insert the engine control unit and all vehicle keys must also be replaced, i.e. a new immobiliser system must be created. On vehicles with immobiliser 3 this is unavoidable


If you have immobiliser 3a you cant replace the lock set without replacing the dash and the engine ecu also the fuel pump as the 2.5 tdi pump is linked to the immobilser and re writting the airbag vin.

This can only be done with new parts to 3a and it normally costs about £2000.But add another £2000 for the pump.

Insurance companies go white when b6/b7 a4 have a stolen key issue as there is no way around it but check if you have 3a before you try it.

In this case you may well just need to match the dash with the engine control unit and the pump.

If you have immobiliser 4 you can rewrite the chassis number and in my experiance with locksmith people its best to goto the dealer as vag tacho can cause damage in cases like this

Best bet is to refit the old ignition barrel and order a key to match the barrel and it should code.
Delete the stored remote settings and recode the remotes.
Replace the door barrel and boot barrel with the spare lock set so no one can open the locks with the missing key.

[cob]

thanks for your replys will check everything out at weekend,
not got the old barrels or keys i have the ecu that matches the keys ,clocks,and and ignition barrel, also the original ecu from the car.
did not know about the fuel pump,is there a way around this?...
thanks :1zhelp:...

[a8 tech]

This may help.
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/Diagnostic_Procedures#Immobilizer_III

[cob]

cheers mate, my friend say's he as vag com, so he will try to reprogram the ecu to the car :approve:.

[cob]

hi no luck he as not got vag com he as a vag code reader/eraser, it says on the engine wont start due to imoberliser display any way around the imoberliser or how to reproram it. thanks.:aargh4:.

[smokey0123]

VAG com is no help without your SKC, where are you located, if your not too far away from me i will come and help if you cover my petrol

[cob]

hi there it was'nt a vag com it was a code reader when i plugged it in it said that the immobiliser was stopping the car from starting. even thou the ecu, keys, locks & barrels,clocks and the black box under the carpet on passenger side front seat (sorry dont know what that is :o) are out of the same car is ther a way around the immobiliser or reset?. when you press the key fob it opens and closes the doors i thought that was the imobiliser. please help again thanks:Blush:.

I am located in manchester, stretford if anyone as a vag com to reprogram the imobiliser cheers....

[a8 tech]

convience control unit looks after the central locking and the immobiliser is in the dash on this model.
As you havent posted any diagnostic info to indicate what imm you have i cant help you.
You need to recover to either manchester audi or stockport audi as this needs looking at by some one who knows what there doing as again imm 3 is a pain and not for the untrained to **** about with there fleabay vag com leads.If you manage to match the dash and the engine ecu and the lock set the way you are doing it your a lucky man as i think you have bought this from the auction as a none runner like most other traders who soon realise there a £2000 repair to give the immobilser a new identity.
Good luck,im on a break from the forum for a while so i wont be replying to this thread.

[cob]

hi took the car to my friend at audi re code everything now it starts :biglaugh:. cheers for all your help :beerchug:

[a8 tech]

good stuff and the dealer was the best option not the so called locksmiths cowboys with the vag commander software f uper