new road tax prices april 2009 on

[solorider]

anyone driving a car over 180kgm emmisions will find they have to fork out £260 a year for road tax from april 2009,here is a calculator to see if your car is going up (not likely)down http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/

[MalcQV]

Yep that's me :(

[RickT]

Hi,

£260 here for me too.... its no big deal.. i will just have to put one less full tank of fuel in the car over a period of 12 months.

if you look at it like that its no big deal..

HOWEVER.... I have strong feelings against all this hiking the prices of tax, congestion charge, emmission zones etc... but i wont go into that!! LOL!


I will give you a quick example.... you own a 2.0 Vauxhall Astra say as a second car and only do 3k miles a year in it and it costs you £260.00 per year.... or you own a Golf 2.0TDI 140 which costs £125.00 per year and you do 20k miles per year....
Over the course of a 12 month period the less polluting car is producing more co2.. maybe not per mile but it is over a 12 month period.....

The best way would be to have it all on fuel.. then you pay for what you use..... HOWEVER.. im against that also as it will cost me more!! What ever way.. there will always be a losser!!! LOL!!

Rant over...


Rick

[MalcQV]

:p:p We are agreeing on alot tonight Rick. The tax should be on the amount of fuel used. A stationary Ferrari 430 puts out less CO2 than a Polo that is moving.

[k9max]

The tax should be on the amount of fuel used. A stationary Ferrari 430 puts out less CO2 than a Polo that is moving.

That would be too sensible and not profitable enough for the government :biglaugh:

[sayloday]

When you say too sensible do you mean too simple?

[solorider]

but someone with a gas guzzling 4x4 will pay a lot more than the currant road tax price,but someone with a moped that pays £15 a year road tax will pay a lot more as they will be paying the same rate of tax as a car driver

[gazza57]

That would be too sensible and not profitable enough for the government :biglaugh:
k9max,
If ever you wanted unequivocal proof that the government's reasons behind these changes are not environmental but fiscal, what more proof can you have?
If the VED were scrapped, and the tax put on fuel, look at the benefits:


No evasion, you can't evade car tax as people are increasingly doing so at the moment. You must buy fuel in order to drive the car.
Get rid of the enormous beareaucracy involved with VED administration, fourteen different rates of VED, all applying to different cars registered before this date after this date blah...blah..blah.
The simple equation, those that drive the most miles pollute the most and therefore pay the most. You have the ridiculous situation now that somebody who may perhaps drive a sporty petrol car say 1500 miles a year will end up paying more VED than a diesel driver driving 50000 miles a year, how daft is that?
It never ceases to amaze me that we have more politicians per head of population than any other country in the world, they talk the most,agonize the most and invariably try to please everybody and end up bringing laws on to the statute books that nobody ever wanted in the first place.
The CO2 scam, that's what it is, is just a cynical ploy to extract as much money out of us as possible, it certainly has nothing at all to do with a concern about CO2 and global warming.
The chinese are opening two COAL fired power stations weekly, each one capable of producing the equivalent CO2 of 2 million cars. There are approximately 15 million cars in this country, so every three and a half weeks the chinese CO2 load increases by the same amount as all of the cars in Britain, India is spewing 1000's of tons into the environment and no US president will ever sign up to Kyoto, so our CO2 saving measures are frankly pointless.
Gazza57;)

[k9max]

Couldn't agree more with you, gazza57! But that sums up the state of the nation, unfortunately - any opportunity for this seedy government to line its pockets.

[solorider]

a better idea would be the government boycotting any country that is a bad pollutor,and get the european union to do the same,even other non polluting countries to do the same,if that country cant sell its products it will suffer,but i think most governments are scared of the power china has

[MalcQV]

Solorider. Great comment but I doubt very much China would give a toss if the EU boycotted their exports.

[RickT]

Solorider. Great comment but I doubt very much China would give a toss if the EU boycotted their exports.


I think China would, on the basis that most of the EU major companies also deal out in the states... if they reject the products in the EU for this then they may follow suit in the States..

Anyway.. it would never happen as China rule the exports and we need them more than anything at this moment in time.

Rick

[The Bishmeister]

Hi does anyone know how much my tax will be now then? I own a Mark4 Golf GT TDi 130 PD

[STEWY L]

Hi does anyone know how much my tax will be now then? I own a Mark4 Golf GT TDi 130 PD
if it's reg after june(ish) 2001,it will be £120 for the year.
yes,it's a winner.
stewy.

[The Bishmeister]

Yes its on a 52 plate. So it hasnt actually gone up then??

No reason to doubt you mate, but all golf drivers, can you clarify this for me?

[STEWY L]

Yes its on a 52 plate. So it hasnt actually gone up then??

No reason to doubt you mate, but all golf drivers, can you clarify this for
me?

it's gone up £5 from £115 to £120.
but it's still a winner compared to others.
do a search,thier was an earlier thread with a link to the new tables.
stewy.

[Col]

Pre 2001 cars will remain the same though?

Plenty of nice choice in the VAG group in the shape of a 1.8T for pre 2001.

And for the hell of it I'll have bonfire every Sunday for the hell of it as well.

[MalcQV]

And for the hell of it I'll have bonfire every Sunday for the hell of it as well.

:p:p:D:D

[MalcQV]

I think China would, on the basis that most of the EU major companies also deal out in the states... if they reject the products in the EU for this then they may follow suit in the States..

Anyway.. it would never happen as China rule the exports and we need them more than anything at this moment in time.

Rick

Never thought of the States, you may have a point. However the company I work for use China as part of the process for manufacturing semi-conductors. It is relatively cheap and they probably would not stop.

[The Bishmeister]

Thats really good news!! I bought the car purely because of it bing so economical compared to my fiesta st. Plus cheap tax and insurance. Then this bloody tax increase got me worried that it would rocket up on my car.

Im chuffed. Does anyone know the emission measurement for the car? The one theyuse to decide on the tax prices.

[RickT]

Im chuffed. Does anyone know the emission measurement for the car? The one theyuse to decide on the tax prices.


Go here..

http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/application;JSESSIONID_EvlPortalApp=LyRQSnGzKJlvMT KP6kCR1WG1zgjpmt7myxBbqbK5hRv9pFNwLVYn!-977766085!1567947182?origin=vehicleEnquiryInfo_en. jsp&event=bea.portal.framework.internal.portlet.event&pageid=Vehicle+Enquiry&portletid=VehicleEnquiry&portletns=VehicleEnquiry_en&wfevent=link.next

Put your Reg plate in and your make... and it will tell you under the CO2 Emissions heading -

Rick

[MalcQV]

Go here..

http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/application;JSESSIONID_EvlPortalApp=LyRQSnGzKJlvMT KP6kCR1WG1zgjpmt7myxBbqbK5hRv9pFNwLVYn!-977766085!1567947182?origin=vehicleEnquiryInfo_en. jsp&event=bea.portal.framework.internal.portlet.event&pageid=Vehicle+Enquiry&portletid=VehicleEnquiry&portletns=VehicleEnquiry_en&wfevent=link.next (http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/application;JSESSIONID_EvlPortalApp=LyRQSnGzKJlvMT KP6kCR1WG1zgjpmt7myxBbqbK5hRv9pFNwLVYn%21-977766085%211567947182?origin=vehicleEnquiryInfo_e n.jsp&event=bea.portal.framework.internal.portlet.event&pageid=Vehicle+Enquiry&portletid=VehicleEnquiry&portletns=VehicleEnquiry_en&wfevent=link.next)

Put your Reg plate in and your make... and it will tell you under the CO2 Emissions heading -

Rick

Had a spot of bother, try this http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk/EvlPortalApp/ and go to"vehicle enquiry"

[gazza57]

a better idea would be the government boycotting any country that is a bad pollutor,and get the european union to do the same,even other non polluting countries to do the same,if that country cant sell its products it will suffer,but i think most governments are scared of the power china has
Unfortunately Solorider,
you're correct, the chinese supply huge amounts of components for everything you can think of, and at a price which has made all white goods cheaper now in real terms than they've ever been.
The west especially the USA have grown used to paying very little for everything, food, petrol etc, the economic price for excluding china because it's a major league polluter would be more than any politician would be able to stand.
gazza57:D

[WeegieBob]

I see the Government has moved the date back to the 1st May -

"....... a HM Treasury Spokesperson today said: "For legislative reasons, VED changes will now take place on 1 May. In all other respects policy remains as set out at PBR [Pre-Budget Report]."

WeegieBob.

[paulthefox]

so does that mean that the price is still increasing:1zhelp:

paul

[gazza57]

:p:p We are agreeing on alot tonight Rick. The tax should be on the amount of fuel used. A stationary Ferrari 430 puts out less CO2 than a Polo that is moving.

Malc QV if only someone would tell the traffic planners around all our major cities this piece of information.
Over the last 10 years, the planners in Southampton have turned a city with a well planned free flowing traffic system into a polluted gridlocked mess.
We have the greatest density of traffic lights anywhere in the UK except for London.
And the euphamistically named traffic calmers have succeeeded into turning what was once a free flowing high street into a semi permanent traffic queue.
They have in my opinion had the greatest single contibution to increased pollution in the city ever.
Traffic calming is appropriate around schools or other vulnerable groups.
I have pointed this fact about stationary trafffic being much more polluting, but the planners are blinded by political dogma and choose to ignore the facts
Gazza57:D

[elvismiggell]

I would say it's shocking that the government does this. Sadly it doesn't shock me, it's what we've come to expect of our politicians.