New car tax bands, thanks Mr. Darling!

[rhencullen1989]

Am i correct in assuming the new car tax bands being introduced next year are for ALL cars registered after 2001, and not just brand new vehicles. I have been looking at a 2004 1.8T 190bhp s-line quattro 4 door, checked out the tax band, it has emissions of 228g/km co2. Its gonna cost a whopping £415 to tax in 2009 and £430 in 2010!, on the other hand a 2003 1.8T sport 190 bhp falls into a lower bracket (206g/km co2) and will ONLY cost £300 to tax in 2009 and £310 in 2010. I assume the quattro adds a bit of drag and does less mpg, hence the increase in co2 emissions.The 163 bhp and ltd editions (2 wd) is 199g/km co2 and will be £260 and then £270 in 2010. Is the price of these cars going to plummet or will people just carry on and buy what they want and pay the extra cash? Please post your views on this subject and what you think of this obscene hike in tax (i guarantee it won't be spent on the roads or transport system).

[blicky_1]

Yep you are correct :mad:

Glad I got the non quattro version now :p

Check your car out here: - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/

[darkhorse1001]

it will be interesting to see what effect all this has on the 2nd hand market. personally i think it will take rises of ten times thiese amounts to really change peoples behaviour, although whether you take that to be the real reason for the tax rises is another question. oh and no, the money will not just go on new roads etc but will probably subsidise a brand new line of potential chernobyls.

someone needs to convince audi to lower the power of the quattro version so you can take it in for a sneaky remap after its been allocated its tax bracket, in fact maybe for the tune-ability of forced induction engines we will see a rise in their value over their n/a counterparts for this very reason - take a car in a lower tax bracket and tune it to the performance of a car with much higher co2 emissions...

[rhencullen1989]

That was what i was kind of thinking, the 163 bhp quattro falls in a lower bracket (just) at 223g/km co2. It could easily be chipped to 190bhp and hay presto, you have a 190 quattro with a lower tax band, BUT, during the annual MOT test, won't they be checking on the emissions to make sure your car is within the stated factory tollerance? if not, no mot pass??? anyway, not really sold on a diesel (i know they are cheaper to tax, more mpg etc) but in my eyes are still a bit agricultural, so it looks like a 190bhp sport then!:beerchug:

[ChuckH]

I realy dont know why this ******* government dont just turn us upside down and shake the coins out of our pockets and be done with it !!!!!!!!

[front wing]

I realy dont know why this ******* government dont just turn us upside down and shake the coins out of our pockets and be done with it !!!!!!!!

Please dont give them idea's
You never know who's reading these forums!:bigeyes:

[darkhorse1001]

won't they be checking on the emissions to make sure your car is within the stated factory tollerance? if not, no mot pass???

i hadn't thought of that, although you can rig it so that you can switch between a standard and custom map at the flick of a switch.

a well hidden switch.;)

[RickT]

Yep you are correct :mad:

Glad I got the non quattro version now :p

Check your car out here: - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/


I have just looked at mine and its going up a fair bit...

THE BEST WAY TO LOOK AT IT....

well the way i do it... if the goverment are wanting to "steal" from the motorist by lifting the cost of fuel... i try and put one less tank of fuel in the car over the course of a year..... lol... that way it pays for the extra ripp off they are charging..

I know i will still put the same amount of fuel in... but its a good idea at the start of the year when i pay for the road tax! lol..

Rick

[k9max]

We must be paying the highest rate of road tax in Europe, it's scandalous.
I think though, the bottom line is people will pay generally whatever the cost.
If this was France or the like, there'd be a national protest - we just accept everything in this flippin' country, and the government knows it.

If everyone bought smaller cars in response to the price increase, in the long term the govt would get less money out of us, not only in road tax but the revenue from petrol would take a serious pounding, and let's face it that ain't ever gonna happen! Britain just ain't so Great these days......:zx11:

[STEWY L]

Yep you are correct :mad:

Glad I got the non quattro version now :p

Check your car out here: - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/
just checked my 2001 bora tdi 130 sport.
it seems to be a winner!!!
may even hold it's resale value a bit better!!!
now someone is going to tell me that i've read it wrong!

[RickT]

just checked my 2001 bora tdi 130 sport.
it seems to be a winner!!!
may even hold it's resale value a bit better!!!
now someone is going to tell me that i've read it wrong!


yeah looks like you will be as long as it's regisitered after the date set in Jun 2001.

Rick

[RickT]

I have just looked @ my 2.0l Petrol A4...


Rates effective from 13 March 2008
Date of Registration6 Months12 MonthsBand9 Dec 2000 – 1 Mar 2001£101.75£185.001 Mar 2001 – 25 Oct 2004£115.50£210.00F

Rates effective from March 2009
Date of Registration6 Months12 MonthsBand9 Dec 2000 – 1 Mar 2001£101.75£185.001 Mar 2001 – 25 Oct 2004£143.00£260.00J

Rates effective from March 2010
Date of Registration6 Months12 MonthsBand9 Dec 2000 – 1 Mar 2001£110.00£200.001 Mar 2001 – 25 Oct 2004£148.50£270.00J


Complete rip off.... If my car had registered a month earlier it would be cheaper!!

[STEWY L]

yeah looks like you will be as long as it's regisitered after the date set in Jun 2001.

Rick
yep, first reg october!!!
yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for once in my life-------------:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

[STEWY L]

yep, first reg october!!!
yipeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
for once in my life-------------:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
eh?-what's that?
a reflex silver paint tax???????:zx11:

[rhencullen1989]

Another way in which i could look at this new banding, at the moment i am running 2 audi's, a 1990 2.0 litre sport and a 1996 1.8T, both obviously before 2001 so tax stays at £180 for 12 months each. If i bought a 190bhp 2003/2004 1.8T at £300, and sold both my older audis, i could buy another car on a much lower banding (need 2 cars for mine and wifes work) so 300 and say 115 (vauxhall corsa) total of 415, at the moment its 360, so £55 hike, does not sound so bad and more mpg from corsa compared to 2.0 litre sport. Everyones a winner!!!:biglaugh:

[STEWY L]

Another way in which i could look at this new banding, at the moment i am running 2 audi's, a 1990 2.0 litre sport and a 1996 1.8T, both obviously before 2001 so tax stays at £180 for 12 months each. If i bought a 190bhp 2003/2004 1.8T at £300, and sold both my older audis, i could buy another car on a much lower banding (need 2 cars for mine and wifes work) so 300 and say 115 (vauxhall corsa) total of 415, at the moment its 360, so £55 hike, does not sound so bad and more mpg from corsa compared to 2.0 litre sport. Everyones a winner!!!:biglaugh:
wake up,don't be stupid.
get her a bora/golf tdi 130,and enjoy borrowing it:p

[STEWY L]

wake up,don't be stupid.
get her a bora/golf tdi 130,and enjoy borrowing it:p
second thoughts,get two--- and remap yours!;)

[kwik]

i love this lot of tax mad knobers

that is all the money i give to charity out the window to pay my car tax well done brown :zx11:

the best bit is my company car is £150ish to tax and i do 50k a year in it so pump out god knows how much pollution and me car dose 5k a year so puts out much less pollution but will cost £415 to tax


so not a pollution tax but a you have a nice car tax

[paul b]

My A6 is going up £15 in 2 years! :mad:
But my Astra is going up £100 in 2 years! :angryfire :banghead:
Paul

[STEWY L]

i love this lot of tax mad knobers

that is all the money i give to charity out the window to pay my car tax well done brown :zx11:

the best bit is my company car is £150ish to tax and i do 50k a year in it so pump out god knows how much pollution and me car dose 5k a year so puts out much less pollution but will cost £415 to tax


so not a pollution tax but a you have a nice car tax
don't worry about it, your company car is well covered by fuel tax;)

[kwik]

don't worry about it, your company car is well covered by fuel tax;)


ye your not wrong there :biglaugh:

[MalcQV]

Mine works out the same as Rick's A4. Can't imagine me selling it by 2010 so will just pay it. However I may consider buying something smaller or maybe diesel next time I do change.

[Johnboyc]

...well last year I purchased my Audi A4 2.5 TDi Quattro Sport. Its the 1st diesel I have ever owned after 10 years of driving thirsty 6 cylinder petrol 2.5 and 2.8 litre BMW 3 series coupes.

My Audi does much better MPG than any of my old BMW's (min 35mpg around towns max 43 mpg on a run), but cos it chucks out 211 grms/Km I am now going to get stung for £300 next year for road tax....

What I also don't understand is why diesel appears to be at least 10p a litre dearer than unleaded.....when surely diesel is easier to refine than petrol...

...and wot this government has failed to realise is that any reduction that is made in the UK's overall Co2 emissions will easily be taken up by the third world countrys & the USA + China's Co2 emissions.......

The governemt are totally over emphasising the Co2 issue in this country.....and I quite frankly feel totally victimised by a politically correct government pandering to the green lobby.....and who does it affect most - middle England...rant over !
Think a few cash back handers will be in order so I save in VAT !

[paul b]

...well last year I purchased my Audi A4 2.5 TDi Quattro Sport. Its the 1st diesel I have ever owned after 10 years of driving thirsty 6 cylinder petrol 2.5 and 2.8 litre BMW 3 series coupes.

My Audi does much better MPG than any of my old BMW's (min 35mpg around towns max 43 mpg on a run), but cos it chucks out 211 grms/Km I am now going to get stung for £300 next year for road tax....

What I also don't understand is why diesel appears to be at least 10p a litre dearer than unleaded.....when surely diesel is easier to refine than petrol...

...and wot this government has failed to realise is that any reduction that is made in the UK's overall Co2 emissions will easily be taken up by the third world countrys & the USA + China's Co2 emissions.......

The governemt are totally over emphasising the Co2 issue in this country.....and I quite frankly feel totally victimised by a politically correct government pandering to the green lobby.....and who does it affect most - middle England...rant over !
Think a few cash back handers will be in order so I save in VAT !
About the £300 thing, I got a poxy 2000 Astra 1.6 Auto estate which is also going up to beyond £300! And it's nothing like as good as an Audi. I'll be offloading the Astra quite soon I think.

The Government is doing it's best to leave us full of debt and with poxy city cars like a Kia Picanto, I don't know what they're gonna do next!

Paul

[dansansome]

ban the combustion engine probably...

i get fed up with waiting for the govenrments next great idea to extract more money out of the inhabitants of this country. soon, they'll just take all our money, and give us back however much they think we should have.

i used to be really patriotic, England is great etc, but now i think i could quite happily up-sticks and bugger off abroad somewhere.


oh, just heard on the radio, that PM Gordon Brown apeared on american Idol last night, pledging that the UK will provide millions of mosquito nets for the countries that suffer with them. total genius. :banghead:

[faticus]

just had a look at the guide and guess my 1.9tdi avant (130) 2002 isn`t gonna be affected very much !!!!!!!!!!!!! yippppeeeeeeeee.:biglaugh:. just need them to reduce the price of diesel now !!!! I won`t hold my breath on that one though.:zx11:.

[omegadirective]

Gordon Brown is a fool. His government tax us for EVERYTHING and then give away our taxes to other countries. He backtracks on his policies when he realises he's made a mistakes and tries to make it out that it was his plan all along. Get him out. DON'T vote for Labour.

My Road Tax is going up. Not by much thankfully. But for a country that pays the highest amount of road tax for some of the worst road conditions in the EU I think something needs to snap on in these peoples head and start taking pride in our country instead of worrying about how fat their wallets are.

The government don't care about CO2 emissions, all they are interested in is the potential to tax us. They told us to swap to diesel to stop polution. Now they tax it to high heaven. Now they are trying to get us to use biofuels. They actually cause more polution than regular diesel.

If they lower the price of fuel, I wouldn't mind paying a higher road tax. At the end of the day - we work hard for out money (or at least most of us do). We should be entitled to buy the cars we want and can afford at the end of the day. The most popular way of avoiding the road tax increase is to tweak your car, but then if the insurance companies or garages find out you can be stung in the backside.

Do you guys think some sort of petition would do any good? Might be worth starting one to at least see if we can get something changed. It is SUPPOSED to be our country after all...

[Fullspizz]

Taxation has been the aim of this government ever since it came into power.
They have tried to safeguard themselves by creating so many public sector jobs, that the people in those positions won't vote for anyone but Labour in case the next government cut back on those areas.

As for car buying and taxation, they are taking the ****:-
I can buy a 1999 4litre BMW if I so please that chucks out more in emissions than my local power station and get away with paying less in road tax than my car that is 5 years newer and much smaller in engine capacity.
They haven't got a clue.

Unfortunately, due to a change in my circumstances my A4 1.8T Quattro Sport has now had to go up for sale.:(
It's on pistonheads if anybody is after one.:Blush2:

[rhencullen1989]

I would love a 1.8T quattro 190bhp, but the thought of £400+ to tax every year means i will not be getting a quattro. This government is helping us to decide what cars we can buy by pricing us out of the market on what i call normal family cars. I have a family and a young daughter with pushchair etc so i want a reliable safe family car not a poxy supermini with no boot.:zx11: If the french govornment tried to do this the country would be at a stand still, but we lay on our backs and let them get away with it.:aargh4:

[omegadirective]

Completely agree. I hate to say it... but we need to start taking lessons from the French!

Ce Gouvernement est terrible!

But as cars are very important in life for me, I think I would still go for a 1.8T Quattro. Possibly an S3 if my insurance allows. Hopefully I'll be able to change it at the end of this year. :approve:

[Steve Bird]

A4 Cab 2.4 petrol..... £415.00 from March 2009. Nearly double what it is today. The only good news (if there is any) is I will need to tax my car at the end of Jan 2009 so I won't get stung till 2010.

Might be a good idea for everyone to re new their tax at the end Jan/Feb 2009 and cash in their old tax disc. At least it will put off the increase a year or so.

[rjohnson]

what about the second hand car dealers dealing in prestige cars ,as well as the credit crunch the new tax on these types of vehicle will surely put potential buyers off ,this will in future have a devastating effect on used car values of the likes of cars on this site,i have heard some sellers of 4+4 struggling to sell 12 months after advertising iam afraid to say the likes of my audi a4 cab v6 is going to follow suit ,so i for one will be putting it up for sale before its value drops like a stone:aargh4:

[fistfights]

They are, with everything that concerns our finances. Were not allowed to buy what we want any more! So much for democracy eh?

[sjw77]

I'm gutted too.

I bought a 52 Reg 2.4 V6 Avant A4 in the spring as a family wagon (and a bit of a motorway car too) as it was fast, fairly efficient and sleek.

I'll be paying £415 tax in a few years time - gutted.

The moron I work next to bought an M Reg Range Rover 4.8 as his "posh twaddle wagon". Its old, drinks petrol like a trouper, does 2 miles to work and back daily and probably is less efficient than an aircraf carrier, yet he's paying about £300 in tax in a few years time.

Mr Darling and his clever tax bandings are only there and have been set up so that the Chelsea squad can still drive their Range Rover Vogues and get away with a mid-range tax fee.

[MalcQV]

I'm gutted too.

I bought a 52 Reg 2.4 V6 Avant A4 in the spring as a family wagon (and a bit of a motorway car too) as it was fast, fairly efficient and sleek.

I'll be paying £415 tax in a few years time - gutted.

The moron I work next to bought an M Reg Range Rover 4.8 as his "posh twaddle wagon". Its old, drinks petrol like a trouper, does 2 miles to work and back daily and probably is less efficient than an aircraf carrier, yet he's paying about £300 in tax in a few years time.

Mr Darling and his clever tax bandings are only there and have been set up so that the Chelsea squad can still drive their Range Rover Vogues and get away with a mid-range tax fee.

As Clarkson says buy yourself an old car. I think your work colleague has the right idea. ;)

[sjw77]

Anyone selling a very low mileage family wagon that will fit 5 and a bike on and cost £35 to tax for the rest of its life, or should i just sell them all and buy roller skates...

[Hex69]

Typical of these lot, now they'll be loosing out on VAT from new car sales.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7597954.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7597954.stm)

[nickynibbles]

Something i've just noticed about the new tax bands is that they're not due to kick in until April 2009 so all the people who have March registrated cars will have to buy their tax as normal. This is actually good news for those people who have an increase coming as they will be able to pay their existing tax rates until March 2010 when they will pay the 2009 increased rate & not have to pay the 2010 further increase until March 2011. However, the few people like me who are going to be paying less tax under the new rules are getting a raw deal! I bought only 6mths tax for my Sept reg car thinking it was March when the new rules kick in, so my new plan will be to buy 6mths tax in March, then in April return the disc to buy a 12mth disc under the new prices. Fingers crossed that'll work & suggest anyone in the same boat does the same & return whatever disc they have in April for a new 12mth one as overall it'll save you money!

[Red Avant]

I have a pile of junk landrover freelander 1.8 petrol which i use to take the dogs out in. It's going to cost £415 next year which is half it's worth if i'm lucky. Hopefully there will be a u-turn and it won't actually happen.
Dan

[onzarob]

I have a pile of junk landrover freelander 1.8 petrol which i use to take the dogs out in. It's going to cost £415 next year which is half it's worth if i'm lucky. Hopefully there will be a u-turn and it won't actually happen.
Dan

The Wife has a Honda CRV year 2000 2.0l petrol, Costs £185 tax, the exact same car a year newer Costs £215 at the moment and will cost near £300 a year later....Crazy:aargh4: The wifes will still cost £185ish:biglaugh:

[lonky]

well, tax band does effect my choice of car, as a 2.4 petrol is the top tax bracket, I might as well get the 4.2 !

If I wanted to save on the tax, then of course theirs always the 2.7 diesel, though never been a fan of black smoke, but apparantly that's OK !

[paul b]

It is Lonky. ;)

Paul

[FLENG2008]

We must be paying the highest rate of road tax in Europe, it's scandalous.
I think though, the bottom line is people will pay generally whatever the cost.
If this was France or the like, there'd be a national protest - we just accept everything in this flippin' country, and the government knows it.

If everyone bought smaller cars in response to the price increase, in the long term the govt would get less money out of us, not only in road tax but the revenue from petrol would take a serious pounding, and let's face it that ain't ever gonna happen! Britain just ain't so Great these days......:zx11:




thats is soooo true, this is the problem, no one says a damn thing

we should all go on strike for a week and buy nothing but food and sit at home untill the goverment fix up

[sbt]

come on boys someone as to bail out the poor bankers. jokeing apart i think we should all be marching on downing street these clowns need physicaly removing from office we will all be paying for the actions of this government for a very very long time this is the tip of the iceberg believe me

[randall977]

Just browsing through some old topics and came accross this one - looks like things generally turned out okay on the tax front. I've just bought a 2005 cabriolet 1.8T quattro - £215 this year and £245 next - a lot but not the £415 we all thought!

[STEWY L]

Just browsing through some old topics and came accross this one - looks like things generally turned out okay on the tax front. I've just bought a 2005 cabriolet 1.8T quattro - £215 this year and £245 next - a lot but not the £415 we all thought!
He thought of it,and it's still there planted in his mind. As long as he is in the post their will be a time when it comes.
From what i've read, the chancellors policies can't easily be changed.
To do that,the chancellor has to be changed, if you believe what Gordon says.
The other worrying thing is, the opposition party will have been taking notes of all the unfavourable measures muted,and could well implement
them in a "diluted" form.
As often happens, we are told of possible huge increases in a many number of things,and when the increase turns out to be less than first said then we are "happy"or "relieved". i'm sure they plan the whole exercise.
But come the revolution------
best regards,
stewy.

[randall977]

I agree - I don't think we need to worry about huge tax rises for the next few years - we are certainly stuffed long term!