Additional Keys - VCDS or Dealer? - Help Required Please?

[xouser8334]

:confused:

I'm going to assume that I will get several people saying "there's a thread for this." or "it's been asked and here's a link".
Anyway I've not found it yet......

2010 Facelift C6 2.0 TDi S Line Le Mans.
I only have one key for the car..
Any recommendations for adding another key?
Can I buy a full key with transponder etc. get the blade cut and add it via VCDS? if so... has anyone done a step by step "how to add a key using VCDS"?
Or...
is it a dealer only job.

Sadly, I don't have the 7 digit SKU.
I'm aware of IMMO etc... but only have VCDS?

Other than the above "big headed now-it all - but know nothing"..... I'm at a loss.
Also going to post an issue with the front fog lights....

Thanks Guys,

[royclark]

it's a dealer only job.

[THB-QUATTRO]

I spent a while trying to get a key sorted without going through main dealer, but it was just as expensive. It was around £300. £200 for the key and £100 to programme it. They also reset the system so that the car will only respond to the key you have and the new key, so if someone managed to have to missing key they cannot unlock it with the fob.
Hope this helps.

[Eshrules]

:confused:

I'm going to assume that I will get several people saying "there's a thread for this." or "it's been asked and here's a link".
Anyway I've not found it yet......

2010 Facelift C6 2.0 TDi S Line Le Mans.
I only have one key for the car..
Any recommendations for adding another key?
Can I buy a full key with transponder etc. get the blade cut and add it via VCDS? if so... has anyone done a step by step "how to add a key using VCDS"?
Or...
is it a dealer only job.

Sadly, I don't have the 7 digit SKU.
I'm aware of IMMO etc... but only have VCDS?

Other than the above "big headed now-it all - but know nothing"..... I'm at a loss.
Also going to post an issue with the front fog lights....

Thanks Guys,

you were right

New key required (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/173355-New-key-required)

Best way to get a spare key. (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/171335-Best-way-to-get-a-spare-key)

Key fob programming (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/170630-Key-fob-programming)

Question Keys (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php/168300-Keys)

As the two posters before have stated - dealer only.

[xouser8334]

Thanks Guys.... Maybe I should mark this one as answered....

[xouser8334]

Been talking to the previous owner....
Now... bearing in mind when bought the car as a CAT D.. therefore we have receipts and log book... the previous owner apparently "had" to settle for an amount that they could only buy a 2006 model blah blah blah... Anyway... because she had to buy a key for her 2006 model and knows the cost... she is refusing to sell the key to me for less than 200quid... so... my question is...
Can she legally retain a key for a car she no longer owns? Does anyone know the legalities..? I've offered to pay her postage costs via PayPal.. and.. although I will send her a partial photo of the v5c (exclude or block out much of the address) and get her to post it to my girlfriends place of work in the same postcode region.....
Any ideas... she has admitted having a key on facebook to me... she could have simply said that she had tossed it in the bin....

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[xouser8334]

Question.. can the car be programmed to accept second hand keys? Yes.. I know I will need to buy new blades and have them cut... cheers

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[Eshrules]

I'm confused - didn't the above posts answer your question?

If you know somebody else has a working key to your vehicle, would it not be wise to get yourself to the dealer sooner rather than later?

Get a new key, get it coded and have them remove any keys besides those you have in your possession.

You get a shiny new key, your cars security is restored and the previous owner is left with a key she can't sell.

Everybody wins.

[xouser8334]

Yes.. the above posts answered the "to dealer or not to dealer"
However.. I've found a locksmith locally to me who will program the new key I have ordered from TPS... I was merely asking about the legalities of someone who has been paid out and not returning the items to her insurer..

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[Eshrules]

Yes.. the above posts answered the "to dealer or not to dealer"
However.. I've found a locksmith locally to me who will program the new key I have ordered from TPS... I was merely asking about the legalities of someone who has been paid out and not returning the items to her insurer..

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You've found a locksmith that can program a new key to both your remote locking and your immobiliser? I would clarify with them regarding that and check they remove the active key you don't have in your possession.

As far as the legalities are concerned - she's well within her rights to keep whatever she wants - the insurer isn't interested, the insurer paid out and she then sold the car to you.

Things like both keys, wheels, head units et al should have been agreed pre sale - you've no legal claim to anything.

[zollaf]

how much is this new key going to cost you ?

[xouser8334]

300 Inc
Vat and programming... ordered now... :-(

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[zollaf]

so 200 for the key the previous owner was going to sell you sounds like a bargain then.

[Not_Anumber]

Contact the Police, tell them you have become aware the previous owner has admitted they have a working key to your car thet they are refusing to hand over. To start the conversation ignore the value of the key at this stage and just stress that someone is holding a key to your car which both you and they are aware they could use to drive your car away whenever it suits them and that you regard this as an unacceptable security risk.
In the next breath tell them the other party has demanded money to return the key.
Make these points clearly and ask them to help as you feel unsafe and intimidated, give them the person's contact details and ask them to investigate.

However arsey this person may be trying to be it's a fact that a call or visit from the Police will have an effect; However justified she may be kidding herself her actions are she will soon realise this is a grey area of legality at the very least and will hopefully either agree to pass on the key or (less likely) would have to destroy the key in the presence of Police Officers.

[zollaf]

sorry pal, the police will laugh and tell him to get new keys for his car and that next time he buys a car he should ensure he has all the keys. there is no grey area, the previous owner may be lying for all we know and not really have a key, but its only a crime if she does and she uses it to steal the car.

[Not_Anumber]

Interesting I don't recollect us being pals. Response from the Police very much depends on approach. As with all things the more articulate and structured the approach the better the response.

[zollaf]

yeah, we are pals.

[Not_Anumber]

Agreed.

[xouser8334]

Yes guys... grey area.. police not interested.. although... the car was a CAT D and the insurance company who categorised the car have told me they have paid the previous owner the full market value of the car and therefore they "should" have handed over EVERY item belonging to the car. Including spare keys, service books etc. Although; it isn't a legal requirement to do so... and yes.. the key could have been used if the previous owner went to the salvage rooms 350miles from my house and asked who the new owner was; although the auction rooms are not allowed to say due to data protections.
I would say I'm OK that the previous owner lives in a remote area in Scotland and the car registration number has changed to a personal one now...
Anyway...
New keys and coding booked in for next Monday! Buying the key from TPS and then going into Audi works out at 245 Inc. VAT.... so the previous owner can do one in my book..... they can possibly unlock the car on the blade (if they new the Reg number and my address) but won't get it started... and I don't keep anything of value in the car either!!

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[Eshrules]

Yes guys... grey area.. police not interested.. although... the car was a CAT D and the insurance company who categorised the car have told me they have paid the previous owner the full market value of the car and therefore they "should" have handed over EVERY item belonging to the car. Including spare keys, service books etc. Although; it isn't a legal requirement to do so... and yes.. the key could have been used if the previous owner went to the salvage rooms 350miles from my house and asked who the new owner was; although the auction rooms are not allowed to say due to data protections.
I would say I'm OK that the previous owner lives in a remote area in Scotland and the car registration number has changed to a personal one now...
Anyway...
New keys and coding booked in for next Monday! Buying the key from TPS and then going into Audi works out at 245 Inc. VAT.... so the previous owner can do one in my book..... they can possibly unlock the car on the blade (if they new the Reg number and my address) but won't get it started... and I don't keep anything of value in the car either!!

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And now you know to ask for all keys the next time you purchase a vehicle - every cloud ;)

[xouser8334]

And now you know to ask for all keys the next time you purchase a vehicle - every cloud ;)

I guess you haven't bought a CAT D from auction before I take it...
you buy from the salvage yard or insurance broker and NOT the previous owner.
therefore.... you get exactly what the insurance company has paid out to the previous owner for.
you do NOT deal with, directly nor indirectly - the previous owner of the car..
Although, you cling on to that final thread of hope.... hoping the previous owner would say - yes... i have the key... for £3.00 I will ship it to you...
(and then you have the sense to have the key shipped to a friends house where the car will never be located or your other half's place of work, at least somewhere reasonably far away so the car is not seen - you know.... so the spare key holder doesn't come and help themselves to the car)

but the purchase of a CAT D usually goes something like:-

A - Previous owner has a bump
B - Insurance Pays Owner for Car and "Writes it Off - and Categorises it as seems fit - D repair claim including courtesy car cost was seen as uneconomical - even some metallic / pearl or mica paints especially silver get written off as the body shop doesn't want to try and match them up - so I'm told!!!!; C - Repair but possibly structural and chassis damage; B - Only can be used for spares by a licensed breakers yard; A - No Salvageable parts, car and all items to be destroyed and not broken into parts (Apparently)"
C - Insurance sells to salvage yard or auctions the car off
D - Car purchased from auction site to repair
E - Previous Owner (Insured driver) Still named as previous owner on V5C
F - Very Bitter previous owner, as repair shops quote brand new parts to insurance company who will write off the car

So as you see from the above - I didn't actually get a chance to speak to the previous owner to get the second key / tags....
And That my fellow VAWF colleagues.... is "sold as seen" for you!

Luckily, the car only needed bolt on items and a quick paint job - so stands me a very little to be honest.
Just got to find someone who can paint the car so it actually looks like it is one colour!!! - lol

One thing I have learned from this one... is... if you look at a car to repair or not.... yes.. as you said... "ask how many keys the yard or auction rooms have for the car, and if they have contacted the previous owner for any outstanding items / keys locking wheel nuts etc."

[zollaf]

lesson learnt, you are buying the car through an auction, and as i tell people, dont do this expecting to get a bargain, you are up against people that make a living buying and selling cars, up against pros who know which cars will turn them a profit. its easy to buy the wrong car, not ask all the right questions, etc,,, you only lost out because of a second key that technically doesnt matter, some people have lost out a lot worse. and as for bitter previous owners, they let the car get written off and could just as easily have bought it back and got it repaired, so thats their lookout.

[Eshrules]

I guess you haven't bought a CAT D from auction before I take it...

Correct - I prefer to buy my cars from dealers that offer me some sort of recourse should things go horribly wrong.


"ask how many keys the yard or auction rooms have for the car, and if they have contacted the previous owner for any outstanding items / keys locking wheel nuts etc."

Exactly as I said then, yep


And now you know to ask for all keys the next time you purchase a vehicle - every cloud ;)

I'd have thought a seasoned auction goer would know that though. Was this your first? If so, there's a lot more that could have gone wrong and I'd be counting my blessings that the only hiccup so far has been not having a spare key for the car.

Now hurry up and enjoy it before it does what these cars do best - breaking down and costing you a fortune!

[MarkTM]

Weird as my dealer quoted me £226.19 inc VAT for supply and recode, which to me seems a bargain?

£166.19 = key 4F0 837 220R INF
£60 programming