Remap removal

[MC09PJC]

Hi... Does anyone know if a main dealer can revert a remapped ecu back to original settings so I can sell it on and the new owner not have any issues with TD1's and warranty claims...

Thinking of going back to Ultra S Tronic soon...

Martin

[A6S]

My understanding is even if you flash the original map back the flag will will be there.
New ecu is the only way to remove it I think

[Doctle Odd]

Whoever remapped it will have the original map, they should restore it FOC

[MC09PJC]

Yes I could get the guy to reflash the original map back on but that would still show up as been flashed in the first place...
What oem ecu back to pre remap

[fest0r]

If you take it to an Audi dealer to remove a remap and the car doesn’t currently have a TD1 code, it will once you get it back. The factory spec flash and/or new ECU will cost plenty, but they will supply the code for free... whether you like it or not.

From what I have read, even if you were able to have the car applied tag removed by a third party at a later stage it would still be flagged up and associated with the car on Audi’s system.

[chesterfield]

The moment somebody chooses to remap a car, they choose to remove a fair chunk of the warranty (if not all of it).

It's a one way, no going back decision.

Sorry to sound unsympathetic and harsh, but if anyone has concerns over warranty or how the lack of it may affect resale or trade in, then they shouldn't be remapping their car.

[stevey121]

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[chesterfield]

Even if you flash standard code back on, it is possible to detect that it has been done. Flash count in part of the ecu that is not writable for example. Hash of the original code and timestamp stored in write once area.

There are a million and one ways for changes to software to be detected.

Returning the car to a standard map is not a guarantee that this will be hidden from Audi.

So what you want is to have the fun of driving a remapped car, but if anything goes wrong you want Audi to pick up the bill even though you have been pushing the engine beyond their designed limits.

[zollaf]

have cake an eat it, thats what i think some would say.

[Whippy53]

Ooooh! Cake! Yes please.

[chesterfield]

If any tuner is 100% certain that they can return a car to standard without any possiblity that Audi will detect the car has previously been mapped and void the warranty, then they should have no problem what so ever in putting it in writing that they will pick up the cost of any repairs Audi refuse due to voiding the warranty if a previous tune is detected.

The fact they won't do that should tell you all you need to know.

[MC09PJC]

even if you flash standard code back on, it is possible to detect that it has been done. Flash count in part of the ecu that is not writable for example. Hash of the original code and timestamp stored in write once area.

There are a million and one ways for changes to software to be detected.

Returning the car to a standard map is not a guarantee that this will be hidden from audi.

So what you want is to have the fun of driving a remapped car, but if anything goes wrong you want audi to pick up the bill even though you have been pushing the engine beyond their designed limits.



have cake an eat it, thats what i think some would say.


ooooh! Cake! Yes please.



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[fest0r]

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Hold yer horses partner :biglaugh:

I think you misunderstand the purpose of the TD1 code. It’s not just applied to cars that are currently modified… it can also be applied to cars that are suspected of being modified in the past. The reason for this is due to unknown strain previously placed on components due to settings or configuration outside of the manufacturers spec.

Even if a dealership was able to take you back to stock they would be obligated to tag the car with a TD1 code.

[MC09PJC]

At last... Someone with an answer to my question... Almost anyway

Thank you 😎

[chesterfield]

The car has been mapped. Returning it to stock does not turn back the clock.

It does not undo the extra stress that has been put on components during the time it has been mapped.

If what you want to do is be honest and not sell a car that leaves somebody without a leg to stand on, then it's quite simple.

Just tell prospective buyers that it is mapped and they may have issues with warranty.

However, I suspect you know full well this will put off buyers, and will almost certainly rule out or severely damage trade in value, so what you want to do is get the car back to standard as far as Audi is concerned so you can sell it with all the benefits of a warranty. Zollaf is 100% correct with his cake and eat it statement. You want all the positives of driving a mapped car and all the benefits of being able to shift the car on with a warranty in tact.

You made the decision to map the car, if you can't deal with all the consequences of that decision then that's your problem.

Perhaps it's thinking things through, dealing with the consequences of my own actions, and not looking to wriggle out of problems by slopey shouldering the issues onto others that has put me in a position to buy my car?

Enough said.

[Doctle Odd]

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When did you discover this remap? Bring it back to the dealer, they will be able to determine whether it was remapped before you bought it. Being rude to people that are trying to help isn't really a good strategy.

[MC09PJC]

When did you discover this remap? Bring it back to the dealer, they will be able to determine whether it was remapped before you bought it. Being rude to people that are trying to help isn't really a good strategy.

I had the car remapped 3 months or so ago and it fantastic when I want it to be, I knew all the risks, at the time, I've not gone over board with the power increase... but I'm thinking of getting a S Tronic version as the wife's not bothered about driving it.
I'm not been rude to everyone just those who think it's normal to tell me stuff that I already know in a way that is rude to me... If everyone knew everything then forums like this would be pointless.

I think the best thing is to keep stum and just trade it on...

[MarkTM]

And of course new buyer will get a remapped car unknownst to them so won't affect their premiums :biglaugh:

[Doctle Odd]

Remap can effect insurance premiums, some companies wont touch a modified car and will be very happy to use it as a reason to not pay a claim. Ignorance is no defence under the law so really you'd need to sell it as remapped or it could come back to bite you.

[MarkTM]

Agreed, the point I was trying to make (badly) was that doubtless there are thousands of drivers as second+ owners that are driving around blissfully unaware that in the event of an accident that they'll have problems claiming due to a previous owner remapping the car on their ownership and not declaring it when sold on.

In my case the declared remap was less than 15% and only a £15 administration charge :)

[Phutters]

I think the best thing is to keep stum and just trade it on...The best thing is to be honest. How narked would you be if someone shafted you the same way?

[Doctle Odd]

If it's a new car I'd say the warranty is gone. A used car with the 6 month repair window probably the same. it's the law of unintended consequences and I think it's taken a fairly good chunk off the resale value of the car (if the seller was being upfront)

[chesterfield]

I had the car remapped 3 months or so ago and it fantastic when I want it to be, I knew all the risks, at the time

If you did know ALL the risks, then why ask whether the car can be put back to standard without the risk of Audi knowing? If that car goes to an Audi dealer for service, trade in or warranty work, its an almost certainty its coming back out with a TD1 flag. That is the risk with remapping.




I'm not been rude to everyone just those who think it's normal to tell me stuff that I already know in a way that is rude to me... If everyone knew everything then forums like this would be pointless.


If you already knew it, then why ask the question. I suspect that as I posted previously you know exactly what effect a remap will have on your trade in value and warranty if you own up to it, so you are looking for a way out. Which seems to suggest that you didnt think all the risks through, even if you did know them, as you claim above.




I think the best thing is to keep stum and just trade it on...

So after getting shirty and saying "How would you feel if someone sold you a new car which had been messed with without you knowing." You now, hypocritically, see this as the best course of action.


Has the car been in for service since the remap? Are you intending on selling it with an up to date service, or are you just going to let the new owner find out that they have no warranty?

Are you going to advertise the car with the "balance of the manufacturers warranty" ? If you do, and the new owner subsequently finds out that the car has been mapped and the warranty voided, I wouldn't be surprised to see a letter from a solicitor coming your way.

But then again, as you say you knew all the risks, Im guessing you were already aware of that possibility too.

IMHO, the best thing to do is just be honest, and suck up whatever the consequences are.

[MarkTM]

My understanding was that some dealerships offer a remapping service...not sure if this is true or not?

Perhaps this is/was done by the dealers without the knowledge of Audi UK?

Not sure in such instances how a warranty claim would be viewed though:confused:

[SammoVWT]

Remap can effect insurance premiums, some companies wont touch a modified car and will be very happy to use it as a reason to not pay a claim. Ignorance is no defence under the law so really you'd need to sell it as remapped or it could come back to bite you.

Well, if you declare it - its not a problem.

I've declared everything on my motor, insurance never been an issue. Even when coming up to 'random' checks with the BiB. Some people like to cheap out and do things which are not strictly legal and don't like it when they get caught out.

Buy cheap buy twice!

The warranty is there to protect both the user and the manufacturer otherwise all hell would break loose with people tacking things onto their car and expect the manufacturer to fix it for free. If they circumvent it I have no sympathy. Remapping a diesel just seems like a waste of time anyway! That being said there is a manufacturer approved tuning branch from pretty much every vehicle manufacturer. Better to go through them pay more and be covered.

I take the same view of the DPF deletes and gutting CAT's. Diesels are horribly pollutive anyway, they have been desperately been trying to make them less dirty for years. If you want a car you can play with build one for cheap out of warranty or pay for the one you really want or just wait.

I hate sitting beind these 'tuned' diesels which amount to nothing more than a richer mixture and just create mess and soot everywhere and what an 20% peak power? (at best) You have so much torque I don't understand why you would need more. I don't see many people hammering their diesels at 5000rpm+ generally.

[MC09PJC]

Main dealer has informed me that the remap can be reverted via a software update, but only if a update is available, they are unable to tell me if they could force a update of the same software version...

This thread is interesting and confirms what I was told...

Bulletin Posted To Audi Dealers this morning. - Tuning your Golf R MK7 - VW R Owners Club (http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/8351-bulletin-posted-to-audi-dealers-this-morning/)

And just to clear up many misunderstanding...

I knew the risks
I had the car remapped and I love it, although I don't use the power that often
I may or may not part ex my car in the future, it was just a question
I normally keep my cars for 4 years which would see it out of any warranty any way
I will be taking it to the main dealer for service (yearly as I do <10K)
I will stand by any decision the main dealer makes if my remap is found regards warranty
and I have declared it with my insurance company, for which I received a REFUND and not an increase in premium

Thanks

[fest0r]

Main dealer has informed me that the remap can be reverted via a software update, but only if a update is available, they are unable to tell me if they could force a update of the same software version...

This thread is interesting and confirms what I was told...

Bulletin Posted To Audi Dealers this morning. - Tuning your Golf R MK7 - VW R Owners Club (http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/8351-bulletin-posted-to-audi-dealers-this-morning/)

And just to clear up many misunderstanding...

I knew the risks
I had the car remapped and I love it, although I don't use the power that often
I may or may not part ex my car in the future, it was just a question
I normally keep my cars for 4 years which would see it out of any warranty any way
I will be taking it to the main dealer for service (yearly as I do <10K)
I will stand by any decision the main dealer makes if my remap is found regards warranty
and I have declared it with my insurance company, for which I received a REFUND and not an increase in premium

Thanks

I’m 100% sure a dealer can reverse a remap with a flash or ECU swap, but it’s the removal of the TD1 code that’s the crucial part.

Regardless of what the bulletin says, I find it very difficult to believe that Audi would be prepared to reinstate warranty cover and permanently wipe a record of previous modification purely because there happened to be an ECU software update available.

Q. Can the TD1 code be reversed?
A. Yes. If an approved software update is detected and applied during the diagnosis process, the TD1 code will be removed from our service systems.

I guess it boils down to what Audi regards as the diagnosis process and what the service systems encompass. With 3 different methods/portals for TD1 lookup and separate references to the SVM database and factory servers I suspect it’s just poorly worded and misleading.

BTW, you must be the only customer in history to receive a refund for notifying your insurer of a performance modification ;)

[MarkTM]

BTW, you must be the only customer in history to receive a refund for notifying your insurer of a performance modification ;)

+1 :)

[MC09PJC]

Yep...

1st amendment was 8k - 10k miles per year
Cost £2.12
2nd amendment was remap @ 20% max
Cost £1.06 refund

😎

[fest0r]

Yep...

1st amendment was 8k - 10k miles per year
Cost £2.12
2nd amendment was remap @ 20% max
Cost £1.06 refund



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I think your insurer must be running the same IT system as RBS and the NYSE ;)

[Doctle Odd]

Who cares?

[fest0r]

Who cares?

Well I suppose the refund can be put towards the cost of removing the remap :biglaugh:

...then they will want £1.06 back once it's back to standard ;)