3.0 Allroad - bit of a delay accelerating

[Tabs]

So I've had my 2013 allroad for about 6 weeks now. Really happy with it but I do have one little niggle when I'm pulling away from junctions!

It seems to take a second or two after pressing the accelerator for it to pickup useable pace. This has led to some interesting moments when I've wanted to make a swift getaway from a side junction due to oncoming traffic etc.

Doesn't really matter how hard the accelerator is pressed. The delay is still the same. The only way I've managed to circumvent it is by loading up and pressing the brake and accelerator at the same time. But I'd prefer not to do that.

Now, I know all about torque converters needing to load up before moving off, my B7 A4 3.0 TDI had the same type of delay but with the S Tronic box I thought that would be lesser so.

Is this a feature or something more untoward?

For reference I keep the car in Efficiency mode usually. If this Audi's way of telling me I should be destroying rain forests I'll have to complain :D

[ukgroucho]

I think you answered your own question "For reference I keep the car in Efficiency mode usually"

Try in "Auto" or even dynamic.... OR if you know you need to get out of a junction in a hurry you might try pulling back on the gear lever to engage Sports mode. I'm pretty sure that stick engine and gearbox into dynamic mode.

[Sauron]

Don't use Efficiency mode myself but even in Auto this can happen; not a 2 sec delay but can be noticeable (this is with the Tiptronic). Simple solution as commented above is a quick pull back on the shift to engage 'S' mode and acceleration is effectively instantaneous, once on the move another quick pull back on the shift and you're back to 'D' on the shift programme - works in Auto or Dynamic but not sure about Efficiency mode myself.

[Tabs]

Sport mode works in efficiency so I guess I'll have to give that a go next time I need a swift exit.

Just seemed so underwhelming in efficiency but I guess those clever Germans have to make a trade off somewhere.

I've got individual set to 'stabbed rat' so know how lively it can get with everything turned up to 11 :D

[ukgroucho]

No offense but, to be candid, I really don't understand why you would get a 3.0 diesel (and not the 'eco' 204 version) and drive around in eco mode... I'm not suggesting driving around in dynamic all the time but the whole point of having a big and powerful engine IMO is to be able to take advantage of it when the opportunity exposes itself - such as for overtaking 'on a considered whim'.

I have NEVER driven my car in eco mode... probably never will unless I am bingo on fuel and in a place where I'm in questionable reach of a fuel stop.

[AllotmentChap]

No offense but, to be candid, I really don't understand why you would get a 3.0 diesel (and not the 'eco' 204 version) and drive around in eco mode...
I have NEVER driven my car in eco mode...
Couldn't agree more. I've had mine a couple of months now and forgotten there was even an 'efficiency' mode. ;) Given that I get 30+mpg even when 'pressing on' it seems pointless to restrict the engine further. I find the throttle response can be sluggish enough even in comfort mode (which I switch to whenever my wife is in the car), so having it even worse seems pointless - thank goodness for the flick-back to Sport mode.

That said, the most annoying thing about throttle response is when you're waiting at a junction, spy a gap and - erk - the auto-stop kicks in and kills the engine. :zx11:

[Splash]

I only use Efficiency in nose-to-tail traffic, just in case it makes a difference. At junctions and roundabouts a quick toggle on the gear lever to "S" helps with the getaway which still seems to have more delay than on my heavier and marginally less powerful C6 allroad. Nothing compared to the serious turbo lag of my old RS2 which required either a largish gap or heavy braking depending on whether the turbo was in the zone or not. ;)

[Tabs]

No offense but, to be candid, I really don't understand why you would get a 3.0 diesel (and not the 'eco' 204 version) and drive around in eco mode... I'm not suggesting driving around in dynamic all the time but the whole point of having a big and powerful engine IMO is to be able to take advantage of it when the opportunity exposes itself - such as for overtaking 'on a considered whim'.

I have NEVER driven my car in eco mode... probably never will unless I am bingo on fuel and in a place where I'm in questionable reach of a fuel stop.
Non taken. However to answer a question with a question why not try efficiency mode - s'not all bad.

I enjoy big engined lazy delivery that when tickled comes to life. Having owned a 3.0 in a previous guise I'm well aware of the benefits. However with a majority of motorway driving making up my mileage if the opportunity to extend the range is available I'll gladly take it. Currently punching over 500 miles to a tank which I think is pretty damn good given its a 3.0. Frugal and performance from the same block is a achievement.

We each drive cars for different reasons. For me this one ticks lots of boxes and is versatile to span a range of driving styles.

[Scott K]

I have tried my car in efficiency and got LESS mpg. I am getting about 560-600m to a tank, motorway I get about 660m. If I were you, I would try it in auto for a few weeks.

[Tabs]

Ok I'll give it a try. Out of interest do you have the standard 65L tank?

[Splash]

Non taken. However to answer a question with a question why not try efficiency mode - s'not all bad.

I enjoy big engined lazy delivery that when tickled comes to life. Having owned a 3.0 in a previous guise I'm well aware of the benefits. However with a majority of motorway driving making up my mileage if the opportunity to extend the range is available I'll gladly take it. Currently punching over 500 miles to a tank which I think is pretty damn good given its a 3.0. Frugal and performance from the same block is a achievement.

We each drive cars for different reasons. For me this one ticks lots of boxes and is versatile to span a range of driving styles.

And from memory, one of the fundamental reasons for choosing the C7 allroad was for you to comfortably tow your track car; and I guess you save the overtakes for the track...

Have you tried setting up a suitable comromise profile in "Individual" where you can still flick to "S" even if set up for lazy driving?

[Tabs]

Very much so chap! ;)

I've been meaning to set individual to something less aggressive - will give it a try later today.

Incidentally I'll be towing for the first time with the allroad next Monday. Looking forward to it though it'll be a short run to Derby and back. Big trip is booked for end of September with a hack over to the ring.

[Scott K]

No. Mine is 75l. Decided to get the bigger tank so I don't have to fill up so much!

[Tabs]

That'll explain the extra range, I was about to start making plans to wear carpet slippers to drive in as I'm clearly way off the numbers!

[Scott K]

Might also be the 8th gear in the tiptronic. At 78 on the motorway it is sitting at 1500/1600 rpm. I can get 45mpg on a long run using cruise and it is always set in individual or auto.

[A6_Mark]

Interesting reading, I also went through a phase of using efficiency on long boring M-way drives, but found I got less MPG than in Auto....Now leave it in that and flick down for extra kick when I want it.

[ukgroucho]

Might also be the 8th gear in the tiptronic. At 78 on the motorway it is sitting at 1500/1600 rpm. I can get 45mpg on a long run using cruise and it is always set in individual or auto.

Those are pretty much the figures i get and the allroad is heavier and a bit less fuel efficient. "pottering" around 70 and not using cruise I've pushed it over 50mpg.

I also have the 75L tank but I never really get over 600 miles off a tank (even though is sometimes estimates 620 or more after a fill depending on how I was driving before the fill-up). My driving is just too mixed to get the full estimated range but 550 - 580 is pretty typical.

[Tabs]

Might also be the 8th gear in the tiptronic. At 78 on the motorway it is sitting at 1500/1600 rpm. I can get 45mpg on a long run using cruise and it is always set in individual or auto.
Is your engine the Bi turbo version? If so I seem to remember reading it can run on 4 cylinders on long runs which could explain the higher figures.

[Scott K]

Is your engine the Bi turbo version? If so I seem to remember reading it can run on 4 cylinders on long runs which could explain the higher figures.

It is but pretty sure it doesn't run on 4 cylinders. Think this is only on the petrol V8s with cylinder on demand. I can definitely get over 600m as I have done 640 before filling up. Only had 5 miles left on the range but it only took just over 70l to top it. Best I had was a run to Sheffield where I filled up and it was just over 10m to the litre. That was a good run with not too much traffic.

[Tabs]

Could have been the V8 yes, it was a while ago I read the article. Either way bloody good going for a car that weighs nigh on 2 ton.

[johnsimcox]

No. Mine is 75l. Decided to get the bigger tank so I don't have to fill up so much!

Bigger tank standard on facelift cars

[johnsimcox]

It is but pretty sure it doesn't run on 4 cylinders. Think this is only on the petrol V8s with cylinder on demand. I can definitely get over 600m as I have done 640 before filling up. Only had 5 miles left on the range but it only took just over 70l to top it. Best I had was a run to Sheffield where I filled up and it was just over 10m to the litre. That was a good run with not too much traffic.

In the UK A6 range only the S6 and RS6 have Cylinder on Demand technology at the moment and I think the technology is only currently possible with petrol engines

[ukgroucho]

Bigger tank standard on facelift cars

Yes but bizarrely the elected to go with 72L rather than the 75L....

[Splash]

After living with the random reporting from the fuel sensors in the C6 I've gone for the 65 + 5l option until I have enough confidence that you can continue until the reserve light comes on! Until I corrected the C6's fuel sender, it would often show over 100 mile range when you could fill up over 70-75l of its 80l capacity. I tend to assume a safe distance of 500 miles for either after which I start getting twitchy...

[ukgroucho]

The fuel sensor in my allroad seems pretty good - it's a tiny bit pessimistic on the mileage possible when it gets to the bottom of the tank, but pretty close. I just had it down at an estimated 30 miles remaining and put 69.5 litres in to brim it... so maybe 5.5 litres remaining which would do 40 miles or a little more.

[Hellodave.]

I ran my (65L) tank down to 30 miles remaining on the DIS last week and got 62L in when I filled up so it seems pretty accurate.


Yes but bizarrely the elected to go with 72L rather than the 75L....
Possibly something to do with the Adblue tank and they couldn't fit a 75L in?