Audi A6 Ultra

[S3ohyeh]

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I wanted to create this thread to give a big mention to the Audi A6 Ultra.

There's a few reasons. First of all I'm not a fan of diesel cars I've never owned one and didn't ever intend on owning one...till I met this beast! It's the new Ultra series which Audi have introduced which comes with a double clutch auto gearbox which I can't describe enough how quality and spot on it was especially with a 2.0 Diesel engine.

Now performance wise I was massively impressed.

But there was something about this car that I thought I've not driven an Audi that had that quality solid Audi feel to it that the A4 from 1995 era had. That solid robust quality feel and this car had it. I thought why does this car feel so different to other audis I mean I'm even comparing it to the brand new A5 which I consider a 'designer' car good lucks really good lucks and a great car but it just felt like a car.

I watched a documentary recently on the Audi R8 and I can't remember the name of the factory in Germany where the r8 is built but only one other car is built on this factory and that is the A6!

It has absolutely everything and although I'm still hesitant about Diesel engines I loved this car and would consider it for my next car (although I know when it comes to picking the auto trader up ill end up thinking the rs6 will be more for me)

Has anyone else owned or drove one of these?what did you think of it?

It's not like me to have so much to say about a 'normal' car but this was possibly the best non sports car I have ever driven and just wanted to know is it just me that thinks so highly of it?


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[SMILEMAN]

There are one or two on here that are partial to an A6.......me included!

[Whippy53]

Sorry if I come across as a bit of a downer but, all 2.0ltr A6's since last yearI have been designated as "ultra", it's a slight development of the model which upped the power from 177 PS to 190 PS and replaced the multitronic box with the s tronic. Also added the burden of using ad blue to keep emissions in line with euro 6. Performance remains unchanged. The a6 is as you say, a remarkable car whether in 2.0 or 3.0 lt guises.

If you read previous posts you will find most people are delighted with theirs, I know I am.

[Whippy53]

Oh, forgot to mention, Neckarsulm also produces the A8 and the A4 as well as being the center for tri development.

[S3ohyeh]

Not at all like a downer!at th end of the day I have little or no interest in Diesel engines and as you can tell from my post not much from the a6 till I drove this so anything you have to say is from your experience of a6's etc my interests are s3's rs6's etc

The s tropnic gearbox I'm used to from the s3 and expect it from a car of that calibre but to be on a 2.0 diesel I am just stating that I was seriously impressed by it.

So at the same time as you not wanting to sound like a downer I don't want to sound like I'm an a6 expert to be honest I am merely an amateur to it and In that sense was excited that I had actually found not just a Diesel engine I enjoyed but also the build quality of the car etc that went with it!just felt like a seriously luxury car!


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[S3ohyeh]

When I watched the documentary on neckarsulm they only built the r8 and a6 there at that point as well...well that's what the documentary said!its on YouTube if you want to watch it!


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[Whippy53]

Must be an old doc then. I know you luv yer s3, and quite rightly as it's a great car, but, try driving the A6 bi turbo. That'll seriously impress. Still thanks for the post, it's nice to have the A6 appreciated.

[C172s]

Well, I'd never owned the Ultra but owned the A6 177 Multitronic Black Edition, and what a great car. I'm back in an A4 now, but watching the A6s drive by still fill me with Envy, knowing that I'd owned one previously is even more painful. The A4 black edition is lovely but I miss that extra quality you get with the A6. Whether it's Ultra or not, 2 or 3 ltr, the A6 is a great piece of kit.

[S3ohyeh]

Yeah the a4 for me just doesn't cut it which is a huge shame because it has a lot of potential. Don't get me wrong love the rs4 but that's what I found and appreciate about the diesel a6 that Its actually a car I'd consider having and I'm a serious petrol head!

I'll have a look at that bi turbo...sounds interesting!

Also yeh that documentary probably was a little old


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[tonye60]

Neckarsulm produces, A5 cab, A6, A7 and A8

[Youngsid]

Ive been an avid viewer of this forum for quite a time and have decided that now is the time to post. Having previously owned a 2012 A6 multitronic 177ps sline and now owning a 2015 Ultra stronic 190ps Sline i want to reply to Whippy53 comments re the difference between both cars. Performance has not remained unchanged. I really notice a difference in acceleration and torque. Maybe its the combination of the increased ps and gearbox. The stronic box is so much nicer and sharper than the multi. No labouring and revving when cold. Smoothness personified. The LED headlights(standard on sline) are brilliant. The FL changes to the the front and rear exterior, particularly the rear, give the car a beefier and bigger look. Too early to determine any diiference in fuel economy. Very happy

[Whippy53]

0-60 remains the same, according to Audi anyway. Increased power pulls higher ratios thus increasing mpg and lowering emissions. My multi box is as smooth as butter. Agree about the fl, at least about the led lamps. Glad you're enjoying your new car. Regards.

[Youngsid]

Have you driven the FL ultra?

[Whippy53]

No I haven't, however, I doubt that will alter the published 0-60, c'nest pas?

[Youngsid]

Perfomance isn't just about 0-60

[Whippy53]

Ah, you see that's the prob, I tend to think it is. However I'm open to being converted. I'm interested to find out why the 0-60 is irrelevant.

[fest0r]

0-60mph is dead… it’s all about 0-100kph for me :biglaugh:

[Youngsid]

I didn't say 0-60 was irrevelent. Mid range performance is also a factor and this is where the the ultra excels. Knock it back into sport mode and off you go. Big improvement on the multi

[fest0r]

I would agree the way the boxes go through the gears feels quite different, but to prove an actual difference in performance you would need to back it up with figures rather than a feeling ;)

[Whippy53]

So, what we are saying then is, its no quicker, no faster, but delivers the power differently. Ok, I can live with that.

[Youngsid]

Having owned both i think im in a position to comment. Surely driving performance is also measured by driver pleasure not just stats. Treat yourself-drive one

[fest0r]

Driving pleasure if very subjective and rather than performance would be classed as drivability IMHO. I’m glad you’re so happy with it though… maybe give yourself a treat and try a BiTDI ;)

[Whippy53]

I don't doubt for one minute It's stronger in the midrange, however performance is measured using established criteria. My initial statement was that there is no difference in performance, that meant measurable performance, ie quoted figures. And, like it or, the figures quoted are the same. If we compared say, 40-60 mph then I have no doubt the later model would win.
However whilst both contentions are correct, for simplicitys sake the measured performance is the same. That's all.

[fest0r]

I think the multi can feel a little lethargic (from memory) at take-off compared to the s-tronic, but maybe it’s because it doesn’t need to change actual gears that it makes up for it elsewhere?

[Whippy53]

Dunno, I think It's cos the multi always keeps the engine at peak power. How? Again, dunno. Probably witchcraft.

[belly buster]

I would agree the way the boxes go through the gears feels quite different, but to prove an actual difference in performance you would need to back it up with figures rather than a feeling ;)


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[fest0r]

Nostalgia rush :biglaugh:

[Whippy53]

Wow! All of a sudden we've entered a time warp! Dread, truly dread.

[L3nnox]

We have an Ultra Avant S-line, got it back in May 2014, had a 177 multi on order, it was cancelled and was delighted when I was told I was getting this for the same price!!
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Great car but (and I'm comparing it to my last Sporting estate, a tuned 535d touring) a bit slow. My GTD is way quicker, handles better and I prefer the seats. Anyway performance.... I am looking at either a DTUK tuning box (240bhp and 510nm) or current thinking is a pedal box. I feeling S-tropic only works in Sport. Even Eco mode has a better pickup that std drive.

What MPG or range are people getting?? The wife drives it locally, little motorway and at full up the range said 555miles..


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[S3ohyeh]

Having owned both i think im in a position to comment. Surely driving performance is also measured by driver pleasure not just stats. Treat yourself-drive one

I agree with this because at the same time as the a6 had this a5 which wasn't an ultra(not sure if they do an ultra in a5?) and I swear to god there was a huge difference in the drive and performance


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[S3ohyeh]

Because the ultra was that good I considered the a5 to be just a 'designer' car because it just felt so ordinary and boring whereas I drove the a6 with a big smile and no 2.0 diesel has ever made me smile!

Only diesel I've ever had fun in was the bmw 535


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[S3ohyeh]

Ive been an avid viewer of this forum for quite a time and have decided that now is the time to post. Having previously owned a 2012 A6 multitronic 177ps sline and now owning a 2015 Ultra stronic 190ps Sline i want to reply to Whippy53 comments re the difference between both cars. Performance has not remained unchanged. I really notice a difference in acceleration and torque. Maybe its the combination of the increased ps and gearbox. The stronic box is so much nicer and sharper than the multi. No labouring and revving when cold. Smoothness personified. The LED headlights(standard on sline) are brilliant. The FL changes to the the front and rear exterior, particularly the rear, give the car a beefier and bigger look. Too early to determine any diiference in fuel economy. Very happy

Fuel difference... in the a5 I was getting around 500-550 and was getting 600-630 in the a6 ultra


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[S3ohyeh]

Ah, you see that's the prob, I tend to think it is. However I'm open to being converted. I'm interested to find out why the 0-60 is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant but with the s tronic twin clutch the manner and speed you can change the gears up and down with the paddle shift was absolutely immense for a 2.0 diesel!! The multi tronic a5 no complaints at all good gear box etc...just didn't make me smile!!

It is defo a case of each to their own I'm just merely stating the opinion of someone who dislikes Diesel engines and actually driving one that is only a 2.0 that was saints dying which I never thought existed


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[S3ohyeh]

So, what we are saying then is, its no quicker, no faster, but delivers the power differently. Ok, I can live with that.

Probably agree with this


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[belly buster]

The A6(/A7) is much much better than the A4/A5 (which are essentially the same car). I had an A4 for 5 years and the difference is quite stark. While the A4 is a great car, the A6 is better in every respect - except for the fact that the A4 has digital temp controls while this is a cost option on the A6.

If there's a new A4/A5 due soon (there must be), this might change.

[S3ohyeh]

We have an Ultra Avant S-line, got it back in May 2014, had a 177 multi on order, it was cancelled and was delighted when I was told I was getting this for the same price!!
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Great car but (and I'm comparing it to my last Sporting estate, a tuned 535d touring) a bit slow. My GTD is way quicker, handles better and I prefer the seats. Anyway performance.... I am looking at either a DTUK tuning box (240bhp and 510nm) or current thinking is a pedal box. I feeling S-tropic only works in Sport. Even Eco mode has a better pickup that std drive.

What MPG or range are people getting?? The wife drives it locally, little motorway and at full up the range said 555miles..


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Good looking car that golf!


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[fest0r]

I agree with this because at the same time as the a6 had this a5 which wasn't an ultra(not sure if they do an ultra in a5?) and I swear to god there was a huge difference in the drive and performance

Are you sure that wasn’t an a5 with 150ps? I would have though the 177ps a5 being nearly 250 kg lighter would be faster than the 190ps ultra.

[S3ohyeh]

I'm not really on about the speed to be honest more on about the gear change speed and efficiency up and down using the paddle shift


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[fest0r]

I never really use the paddles so maybe that’s the problem :biggthump

[S3ohyeh]

I don't to be honest...but then there's certain moments that are made for the paddle which is where I noticed the difference


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[S3ohyeh]

Are you sure that wasn’t an a5 with 150ps? I would have though the 177ps a5 being nearly 250 kg lighter would be faster than the 190ps ultra.

It was the 177ps


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[Chesterfield313]

As already suggested, if you had fun in a 535d you should try a BiTdi. Makes me smile everytime I drive it. Make sure its in dynamic though, the noise is important!

[C172s]

The A6(/A7) is much much better than the A4/A5 (which are essentially the same car). I had an A4 for 5 years and the difference is quite stark. While the A4 is a great car, the A6 is better in every respect - except for the fact that the A4 has digital temp controls while this is a cost option on the A6.

If there's a new A4/A5 due soon (there must be), this might change.


I totally agree. A6 and the A7 are leaps ahead compared to the A4/5.

A friend of mine has a BiTdi A6 BE and the noise it makes in Dynamic is fantastic. Its got a satisfying yet effortless Growl from the rear. It drives effortlessly too. He's had the power output modified to 385...it's an absolute beast... I told him what I think of him....not so much the car..lol

[johnsimcox]

The A6(/A7) is much much better than the A4/A5 (which are essentially the same car). I had an A4 for 5 years and the difference is quite stark. While the A4 is a great car, the A6 is better in every respect - except for the fact that the A4 has digital temp controls while this is a cost option on the A6.

If there's a new A4/A5 due soon (there must be), this might change.
New A4 is expected later this year 2015 Audi A4 - launch date and engines | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2015-audi-a4-launch-date-and-engines) (maybe a launch at Geneva next month?) with the A5 due next year

[rickerby]

Sorry if I come across as a bit of a downer but, all 2.0ltr A6's since last yearI have been designated as "ultra", it's a slight development of the model which upped the power from 177 PS to 190 PS and replaced the multitronic box with the s tronic. Also added the burden of using ad blue to keep emissions in line with euro 6. Performance remains unchanged. The a6 is as you say, a remarkable car whether in 2.0 or 3.0 lt guises.

If you read previous posts you will find most people are delighted with theirs, I know I am.





The 190 Engine in the Ultra is a new unit, not a simple tweak to the 177. Its the EA288 unit originally developed for the new MQB (Golf/A3) platform. My impressions having owned both, economy is similar, performance feels far stronger - although that may be down to improved driveability and throttle response - and refinement is massively improved. As for the Ad-Blue - topped up once now, cost peanuts and was no more difficult than filling the washer bottle.

[MikeyV]

It's interesting my neighbour is a taxi driver, about 6 month ago he traded his 2.0 TDI multitronic in for a 2.0 TDI S-tronic, in his opinion the multitronic is a more fuel efficient vehicle than the S-tronic. I have a multitronic, I like it, the transmission is very smooth, yet if I want to play a bit sport works well as does manual with the flappy paddles, it's a hell of a lot better than the 6 speed DSG Touran we had before.