Verdict on S6 vs. BiTDI

[Omega Man]

Am looking to get a second hand A6 Avant from 2012 or 2013. As a former 535d owner I was originally interested in the BiTDI but having read about the S6 it seems like an interesting option. It's going to be more expensive to run but should be a chunk quicker and you get the V8 under the hood. The thing that has put me on to it is that it seems quite easy to tune with 80bhp being possible from just an electronic upgrade (from what I've read). As standard the BiTDI is probably better but the remap/tuning options are interesting.

Doesn't seem to be many about but the below looks like a decent car:
Audi S6 AVANT 4.0 5dr S Tronic 4WD (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201412309860819)

Any comments or advice from owners of each would be greatly appreciated.

[robes401]

You can get a brand new facelift bitdi SE Avant for £38k (base spec no options through drivethedeal.com). I know I'd rather have that than the S6 with 40k on the clock... Having said that I understand the lure of the V8.


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[Westyfield2]

If you're buying used, there's also the option of the 3.0 TFSI. That's the 3L V6 Supercharged petrol, which is the same engine as in the B8 S4/S5. Part way through C7 A6 production Audi stopped selling the 3.0TFSI in the UK (still available in USA/Europe), so the S6 and RS6 are the only petrol A6 that you can now order. Used cars do pop up occasionally, but once you've filtered down to the ones with the important options (Xenons, Tech Pack, etc) then they're quite few and far between.
If you're interested in remapping etc, the 3.0 TFSI is 300BHP as standard in the C7 A6, and will go to over 400BHP with a remap. If you're then interested in tuning it further, you can change the pulley on the supercharger and get over 450BHP.

Personally, I much prefer petrol engines to diesels... and there's now word of some cities banning/taxing diesels because of all the nasty NOx and PM emissions. So I'd either be getting a used A6 3.0TFSI, or a new/used S6 or a new/used RS6.

[retired99]

Am looking to get a second hand A6 Avant from 2012 or 2013. As a former 535d owner I was originally interested in the BiTDI but having read about the S6 it seems like an interesting option. It's going to be more expensive to run but should be a chunk quicker and you get the V8 under the hood. The thing that has put me on to it is that it seems quite easy to tune with 80bhp being possible from just an electronic upgrade (from what I've read). As standard the BiTDI is probably better but the remap/tuning options are interesting.

Doesn't seem to be many about but the below looks like a decent car:
Audi S6 AVANT 4.0 5dr S Tronic 4WD (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201412309860819)


Any comments or advice from owners of each would be greatly appreciated.



'Mega Spec' No, pretty ordinary spec. Nearly all, if not all, the items listed are standard on an S6. Audi West London have on for £43k miles, same year but 4k miles not 40k miles.

You can get a base spec S6 via Drivethedeal for £46k. So a standard or near standard, S6 with 40k miles for £40k, the one from Audi with a slightly better spec for £43k but only 4k miles or a standard new S6 for £46k.

Whichever you choose I don't see it being the first one.

[Westyfield2]

Nearly all, if not all, the items listed are standard on an S6.

Just had a quick look through. Standard fit on an S6 (but optional on an A6) were Adaptive Air Suspension, Sports Differential, 4zone Climate, Xenons, Colour Driver's Information System (DIS), Electrically adjustable front seats with memory, Front heated seats, DAB.

The options on that one linked that were not standard fit for an S6 are MMI Navigation Plus including MMI Touch, Audi Music Interface, Power Boot.

[Omega Man]

Thank for the info guys.

Really surprised at how well these things hold their value, especially the S6 where I assumed the **** would drop out of the price as soon as you took it off the forecourt.

Have driven the BiTDI but think I need to try the S6 to see what it's like. Will try to find some remap threads on here as well to read up on that.

[retired99]

Thank for the info guys.

Really surprised at how well these things hold their value, especially the S6 where I assumed the **** would drop out of the price as soon as you took it off the forecourt.

Have driven the BiTDI but think I need to try the S6 to see what it's like. Will try to find some remap threads on here as well to read up on that.

Also just occurred to me that I think the quoted 444bhp should be 420bhp. The 444 figure applies to the recently facelifted S6.

[dobinn]

I too am keeping an eye on those. There is a better spec'd one at west london audi for only slightly more. Prices seem a bit all over the place at the moment, feels a bit like they are dropping. 40K is a bit over my budget but very keen once they are within reach.

[Omega Man]

I too am keeping an eye on those. There is a better spec'd one at west london audi for only slightly more. Prices seem a bit all over the place at the moment, feels a bit like they are dropping. 40K is a bit over my budget but very keen once they are within reach.

Do you think worth the extra in terms of purchase price and fuel consumption over a BiTDI? Esp. with the stories of BiTDI remaps to 360hp/750nm with (seemingly) little stress?

[dobinn]

Yeah I do to have petrol, I don't do enough miles to absolutely warrant diesel. The noise and performance would make it in my opinion worthwhile. I think the BiTdi does a great job of adding some drama though sound. So much so, that I *considered* adding one to my 3.0Tdi through the Kufatec kit. But I can't really justify the cost just for the noise... I knew when I bought the Tdi that it would probably lack some of the excitement of petrol but I couldn't afford a newer shape S6. To be fair to the Tdi I have enjoyed it far more than I expected to. My only complaint would be occasionally weird changes from s-tronic and suspension / ride sometimes feeling harsh.

[Omega Man]

Yeah I do to have petrol, I don't do enough miles to absolutely warrant diesel. The noise and performance would make it in my opinion worthwhile. I think the BiTdi does a great job of adding some drama though sound. So much so, that I *considered* adding one to my 3.0Tdi through the Kufatec kit. But I can't really justify the cost just for the noise... I knew when I bought the Tdi that it would probably lack some of the excitement of petrol but I couldn't afford a newer shape S6. To be fair to the Tdi I have enjoyed it far more than I expected to. My only complaint would be occasionally weird changes from s-tronic and suspension / ride sometimes feeling harsh.

Have you thought about tuning at all? As I can see the limit of the 7 speed tiptronic in the S6 has a stated max torque of 550nm which is already the output of the engine. Going up from there would seems overly risky.

Not clear exactly what the max input is on the zf8 8 speed tiptronic in the BiTDI but it looks like it's 700nm so you've got some room from the 650nm standard output to go up.

The fact they don't put 7 speed s tronic with the bitdi says that it's a long way from being able to take that kind of torque so if you remapped the s6 up to something closer it wouldn't last long.

Edit: Further reading for anyone interested on the torque limits for tuning the S6: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/496673-2013-S6-S-tronic-DSG

[dobinn]

Yeah I looked in to tuning my current car but I decided against it due to worries with it causing issues. I am sure there are loads of instances of it working without a problem but for me there are too many stories of destroyed gearboxes. I have followed threads on tuned S4 and S6 and there seems to be loads to play with but the scare stories of a new gearbox and nothing from Audi would put me off.

It always seems to be the gearbox that goes!

Must REALLY stop watching S6 acceleration videos on Youtube :-)

[iain120]

I can't comment on the S6, but the S4 V8 I had was a monster the V8 rumble could set of car alarms if you rev'd it in car parks.... Petrol cost was the problem and small children...

My advise the BiTdi would be just the beast the S6 is without the massive insurance, steal factor and economy.

[dobinn]

I would go BITDi. I have mine tuned and with the exhaust Kufatec box - On the S6 you may as well take another part time job to pay for the petrol costs.

A6 BITDI Sound Booster Pro Active Sound Audi A6 4G, A7 4G - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTA8iPbfomE)

A6 BITDI C7 313 tuned rolling road test run - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqAjolL1QyI)

Does sound good and I sort of agree. The prices of used BiTDI's seem pretty strong, a bit too close to S6 territory. Would be interesting to see them up against each other or a back to back review. I saw a comparison of 3.0TFSI and BiTdi and the BiTdi easily won.

[wildbore]

IMO if you spend too long deciding between the S6 and the BiTdi, you will inevitably end up in the diesel - there is no logical basis upon which to choose the S6. You have to decide if this is a pragmatic purchase or an emotionally driven one. If you want to be pragmatic, choose the BiTdi and enjoy the awesome torque and the great fuel economy. If you want to feel a zing of anticipation every time you approach the car then choose the V8-engined monster. There is nothing like a V8 in full roar - and the V8's torque curve demolishes the BiTdi's - even though on paper there is little between them.
I was in the same situation when I came to choosing my new car. I started looking at the RS6 - I was looking for some zing in my next car (because I am moving out of a 3.2 litre MB diesel). Then I discovered the S6 - it was 95% of the RS6 for 2/3 of the cost. It had to be a no-brainer. Then I discovered the BiTdi and I realised that I could go almost as quickly as in an S6 and yet still return 40mpg, so that had to be the right choice, surely. Then I posted on the RS forum to ask their advice. Someone replied "The S6 is all the car you ever really need and the RS6 is all the car you could ever really want". The same applies when comparing the S6 to the BiTdi: the BiTdi is all you ever need from a car, but the S6 is the car you want.
If you can afford the S6's running costs and you want excitement then get the S6. If you spend too long pondering this conundrum you will inevitably end up in the diesel, and, after ten years in one, I can't tell you how much I miss an engine that revs.

[chesterfield]

This ^

[dobinn]

IMO if you spend too long deciding between the S6 and the BiTdi, you will inevitably end up in the diesel - there is no logical basis upon which to choose the S6. You have to decide if this is a pragmatic purchase or an emotionally driven one. If you want to be pragmatic, choose the BiTdi and enjoy the awesome torque and the great fuel economy. If you want to feel a zing of anticipation every time you approach the car then choose the V8-engined monster. There is nothing like a V8 in full roar - and the V8's torque curve demolishes the BiTdi's - even though on paper there is little between them.
I was in the same situation when I came to choosing my new car. I started looking at the RS6 - I was looking for some zing in my next car (because I am moving out of a 3.2 litre MB diesel). Then I discovered the S6 - it was 95% of the RS6 for 2/3 of the cost. It had to be a no-brainer. Then I discovered the BiTdi and I realised that I could go almost as quickly as in an S6 and yet still return 40mpg, so that had to be the right choice, surely. Then I posted on the RS forum to ask their advice. Someone replied "The S6 is all the car you ever really need and the RS6 is all the car you could ever really want". The same applies when comparing the S6 to the BiTdi: the BiTdi is all you ever need from a car, but the S6 is the car you want.
If you can afford the S6's running costs and you want excitement then get the S6. If you spend too long pondering this conundrum you will inevitably end up in the diesel, and, after ten years in one, I can't tell you how much I miss an engine that revs.

Great post and reasoning.

[ukgroucho]

Indeed a very nice post by wildbore.

I guess the other considerations are about anonymity and nick-ability.
BiTdis are pretty anonymous... nothing really from the outside to differentiate from any other 3.0Tdi (or an unbadged 2.0 Tdi ultra). Of course the sound factor will tell folks who are in the know - and that might be enough for a thief that is targeting faster cars to pay some attention to where you park etc. But there are (relatively) a lot of BiTdis around so purely based on rules of numbers you're less likely to be targeted.
The S6... is an S6 .... Easily recognised and possibly targeted.

And then there are running costs - and I don't mean fuel. Insurance may be a wash depending on your age and where you live but I'm pretty sure it is higher for an S6 purely because of the "S" factor. But some of the hidden costs relating to servicing also might come back to bite you - especially in the brakes department. Engine servicing could also be quite a bit higher (in general more cylinders, bizarrely, means more cost...). Of course the impact of all of that depends on your annual mileage and how long you plan to keep it.

[Omega Man]

Thanks for the thoughts. I previously had an old shape 535d that was remapped and it was great. After a year of ownership I started wishing I'd got the M5. Don't want to make that mistake again but also no point in thinking I'm missing something I'm not with the S6.

Don't do a huge number of miles so I think it will come down to what comes up at the right price. There's very few S6 avants about and those that are don't seem to be specc'd how I'd like (panoramic sunroof and Bose speakers are a bit of a deal breaker for me).

Been doing a bit of reading and the below links might be useful for anyone reviewing this thread and in a similar boat:

WhatCar summarizing the S6 "Since the S6 isn't particularly rewarding to drive, we reckon you're better off choosing a V6 diesel version and saving a small fortune." - http://m.whatcar.com/car-reviews/audi/a6-saloon/4-0-tfsi-420-s6-4dr/summary/64089

A6 BiTDI vs. 4.0TFSI S6 stats head to head [on paper at least, the S6 is a clear leader] - Audi A6 3.0 BiTdi quattro (C7) vs Audi S6 Avant [43034409] (http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel4303-4409.htm)

German thread discussing the old 3.0TFSI vs. the BiTDI [no surprise the diesel is preferred] - Google Translate (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/audi-a6-3-0-tfsi-oder-3-0-tdi-biturbo-t4396617.html&usg=ALkJrhi8mWAgCm4PLcqqa5Zi623pY7Fh9w)

S6 420ps torque/power curve:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/13/4788798bdd956f7a7822d3b292ce66e4.jpg

BiTDI 313ps torque/power curve:
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/13/43e61d8113fb8b71ed01f34501c19a68.jpg

[zollaf]

If you want the S6 , get the S6.

[L3nnox]

If you want the S6 , get the S6.

Like you I bought an E61 535d, it was a fully loaded M Sport and loved it!! I did look at an M5 at the time but it was out of my price range. 2nd time round I decided i must get an M5 and found a stunning M5 factory Hartage edition. But I again faltered and followed the wife's desire for a 4x4 and got a X5 35d......

So please for the love of the weeman, buy what your heart desires......

Here's my twist for you.....would the opportunity to buy a C6 RS6 5.0 V10 twin turbo......be more appealing??? That's one engine you will never get again


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[Omega Man]

Here's my twist for you.....would the opportunity to buy a C6 RS6 5.0 V10 twin turbo......be more appealing??? That's one engine you will never get again

There's a lot of these about at good prices considering how much car you're getting. It might be something to look at. My feeling is that it's turning in to an old car now though and they've all got some miles on and you know been driven pretty hard. Might be worth a bit of tyre kicking at least.

[L3nnox]

There's a lot of these about at good prices considering how much car you're getting. It might be something to look at. My feeling is that it's turning in to an old car now though and they've all got some miles on and you know been driven pretty hard. Might be worth a bit of tyre kicking at least.

Yes it's the older shape but the C6 fit and finish is peerless.. I have two mates with C6 sline avants. Compared to my C7 sline avant they don't look old and if anything I think the finish is more robust, our centre console is already a dinged mess.

The RS6 in my opinion is a hero car, a head turner and a real cult classic. The new S6 and BiTDI are stunning versions of the C7 avant but more wolfs in normal clothing (bar a few badges). I debadge my 535d as that is my thing so I can understand if that's your objective.

I'm already considering the A6s replacement (18months away) and if it were now with a healthy budget a C6 RS6 would be on the list.


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[zollaf]

Zx10 Red Line Pegged to the max, gets passed @ 186mph like it was standing still... INSANE! (http://www.legendaryspeed.com/zx10-red-line-pegged-to-the-max-gets-passed-186mph-like-it-was-standing-still-insane/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Postcron.com)

watching this just shows how brutal an s6, or rs6 , whatever it is, can be.

[L3nnox]

I have just had a small accident...... Offft...


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[chesterfield]

I dont believe that is a standard RS6, but an MTM tuned, and the bike has top speed issues, could do with another gear. But still, its quick. More than quick enough.

[zollaf]

who cares, its a superbike that can't accelerate as quickly as an estate car. hahaha :)

[chesterfield]

True, but its not comparing apples with apples. That estate car has been tuned to in excess of 700bhp apparently. Who knows what else its had done in terms of weight saving. An RS6 is quick, very quick, but in standard guise its not as quick as the car in that video by some way.

[Omega Man]

Zx10 Red Line Pegged to the max, gets passed @ 186mph like it was standing still... INSANE! (http://www.legendaryspeed.com/zx10-red-line-pegged-to-the-max-gets-passed-186mph-like-it-was-standing-still-insane/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Postcron.com)

watching this just shows how brutal an s6, or rs6 , whatever it is, can be.

Is it specified which car it is being followed? Looks like it could be and RS6 but otherwise God knows.

Edit: Removed some crap.

[chesterfield]

Its been posted a few times in the last couple of years on youtube. Video where the car overtakes the bike is here:
Looks like a C6 RS6, and the bike appears limited to 300kmh, whereas the Audi is clearly not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3FrsgNYw0w

[Westyfield2]

Been doing a bit of reading and the below links might be useful for anyone reviewing this thread and in a similar boat:

WhatCar summarizing the S6 "Since the S6 isn't particularly rewarding to drive, we reckon you're better off choosing a V6 diesel version and saving a small fortune." - http://m.whatcar.com/car-reviews/audi/a6-saloon/4-0-tfsi-420-s6-4dr/summary/64089

A6 BiTDI vs. 4.0TFSI S6 stats head to head [on paper at least, the S6 is a clear leader] - Audi A6 3.0 BiTdi quattro (C7) vs Audi S6 Avant [43034409] (http://www.zeperfs.com/en/duel4303-4409.htm)

German thread discussing the old 3.0TFSI vs. the BiTDI [no surprise the diesel is preferred] - Google Translate (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.motor-talk.de/forum/audi-a6-3-0-tfsi-oder-3-0-tdi-biturbo-t4396617.html&usg=ALkJrhi8mWAgCm4PLcqqa5Zi623pY7Fh9w)


Interesting links. I don't do much personal mileage at all, most of it is on expenses. So the fuel consumption and cost of fuel doesn't bother me.

But, I can see the convenience of how many miles you can do between fill ups. So I'd be looking for an A6 3.0 TFSI or S6, but with the optional 75 litre petrol tank.

[ukgroucho]

The biggest issue the bike has is aerodynamics.
Yes it has a huge power to weight ratio but the benefits get progressively eaten as you go faster (and the faster you go the faster it gets worse, and it is NOT linear).
At these kinds of speeds the drag on the bike will really whack acceleration despite the rider being hunkered down behind the screen.

I had a couple of Kawasaki 1000s back in the 80s - a Z1R (with a small 'bikini' fairing) and a Z1000H (no fairing, Kawasaki's first attempt at fuel injection). The "H" was more powerful than the R, definitely accelerated much faster at 'normal' speeds (and handled somewhat better but still a bit of a boat) but above a ton was REALLY hard work. Bikes just are not slippy.

[L3nnox]

Am looking to get a second hand A6 Avant from 2012 or 2013. As a former 535d owner I was originally interested in the BiTDI but having read about the S6 it seems like an interesting option. It's going to be more expensive to run but should be a chunk quicker and you get the V8 under the hood. The thing that has put me on to it is that it seems quite easy to tune with 80bhp being possible from just an electronic upgrade (from what I've read). As standard the BiTDI is probably better but the remap/tuning options are interesting.

Doesn't seem to be many about but the below looks like a decent car:
Audi S6 AVANT 4.0 5dr S Tronic 4WD (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201412309860819)

Any comments or advice from owners of each would be greatly appreciated.

So where did you get to ????


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[Omega Man]

So where did you get to ????

Waiting to see what comes up. There's only two S6 Avants for sale. One in white and out of my budget (from Audi used approved) and the other is this one on Autotrader for £40k with 40k miles which I think is too high for a two year old car.

Anywhere worth checking outside of Petrol Heads, AutoTrader and Audi?

[L3nnox]

Random alternative.......

Mercedes-Benz E Class E63 AMG 5.5 5dr (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201411118896544?atmobcid=soc3)

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/25/d35986042b7027907061ec285b184b75.jpg

It could sound like this!!!!!

http://youtu.be/HaRRmYBiVL4

[Westyfield2]

Waiting to see what comes up. There's only two S6 Avants for sale. One in white and out of my budget (from Audi used approved) and the other is this one on Autotrader for £40k with 40k miles which I think is too high for a two year old car.

Anywhere worth checking outside of Petrol Heads, AutoTrader and Audi?

I have only seen one S6 ever come up for under £40K, and that was £39,999. It was during late 2013, and the car was actually a decent spec. It was a Mercedes dealer selling it - they'd accepted it as a trade in. I rung them a day or so of the advert going live and they said "We've had loads of people phone about it, and someone has already paid in full without viewing". I don't think they realised just how keenly they'd priced it!

[L3nnox]

Hey this ones at a garage round the corner from a good mate of mine... When I'm over we often go over and kick tyres at this place, nice garage....

Audi S6 AVANT 4.0 5dr S Tronic 4WD (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201412309860819?atmobcid=soc3)
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/26/0cb3bf3875b1bf1506c2cceaedc0ba19.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/26/9dac0609bfa3e3108e7c7f51ad2098b9.jpg

And looks very similar to mine!!!
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/26/1db4ac7937664bb0726a3f534f732f55.jpg

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[Westyfield2]

Hey this ones at a garage round the corner from a good mate of mine... When I'm over we often go over and kick tyres at this place, nice garage....

It looks nice, but is quite poorly specced. Te only options it has got are MMI Navigation Plus including MMI Touch, Audi Music Interface, Power Boot.

My regular A6 has more options than that! I'd be wanting an S6 to at least have things like Reversing Camera, Extended leather package, BOSE surround sound system, Ambient lighting, Keyless Entry, Electric folding mirrors, etc.

[Chesterfield313]

I used to to think I'd miss all that stuff when I got my BiTdi. I went from a j.a.g with everything to a standard BE BiTdi. It was a stock car and I didn't want to wait 6 months for one with my preferred extras. I really don't miss them at all now, the speed and the noise are addictive and more than make up for it. The S6 would double the sensation.

[L3nnox]

I used to to think I'd miss all that stuff when I got my BiTdi. I went from a j.a.g with everything to a standard BE BiTdi. It was a stock car and I didn't want to wait 6 months for one with my preferred extras. I really don't miss them at all now, the speed and the noise are addictive and more than make up for it. The S6 would double the sensation.

I have to agree, my 535d and X5 both had £10--15k worth of extras and I now have a totally std Golf GTD and an A6 with only heated seats added to it and I don't miss any of the extras.... Apart from maybe the X5 heated steering wheel.... My old neighbour has an A6 204bhp 3.0 Quattro se that was apparently £64k new..... It's fully loaded but never uses any of it..... He even drives with the screen closed as it distracts him.

Bose I agree would be nice as the STD sound in the A6 is junk.


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[Whippy53]

The whole point of that car is the engine, why fixate on the toys?

[Omega Man]

Hey this ones at a garage round the corner from a good mate of mine... When I'm over we often go over and kick tyres at this place, nice garage....

If you do have a look please let me know. I'm pretty happy with that spec although would like the panoramic sunroof and bose... To be truthful the sunroof I can live without but the speakers i could get someone to fit uprated parts. It's done a few miles in it's short life and certainly over priced at £40k but otherwise it's pretty nice. Any feedback much appreciated.

Stop press - http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201501260441292/
If that's still available in a week when I'm free to take a look it ticks the boxes.

[L3nnox]

If you do have a look please let me know. .

I'm in Glasgow but I could ask my mate to pop round if you want....


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[Westyfield2]

Stop press - Audi S6 AVANT 4.0 quattro 5dr S Tronic 4WD (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201501260441292/)
If that's still available in a week when I'm free to take a look it ticks the boxes.
That one's got Adaptive Cruise Control too... Get it bought!

[fest0r]

If you do have a look please let me know. I'm pretty happy with that spec although would like the panoramic sunroof and bose... To be truthful the sunroof I can live without but the speakers i could get someone to fit uprated parts. It's done a few miles in it's short life and certainly over priced at £40k but otherwise it's pretty nice. Any feedback much appreciated.

Stop press - Audi S6 AVANT 4.0 quattro 5dr S Tronic 4WD (http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201501260441292/)
If that's still available in a week when I'm free to take a look it ticks the boxes.

Just my humble opinion, but I would beg borrow or steal the extra £5k to get a brand new facelift version over that private purchase. Even if they were identical versions I would go for the new one. I would also have a new BiTDI with some options over any used S6 circa £40k. That’s just me though :)

If that's not an option then a private seller will value the options they paid a fortune for a lot more than a dealer. If you look at the Parkers valuation below it seems they are adding over 5k for the options. It might seem fair to the seller, but apart from getting a quicker sale I think you’ll be lucky to get back 10/20% of whatever options you add to a new car. Even with the toys £41k seems too much for a 14000 mile 2013 63 plate private sale.

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Maybe I’m too cautious, but I wouldn’t risk £40k on a private sale either. For all you know the warranty is invalid due to a modification the owner has done so it would also mean some extra costs… maybe an inspection and history check buy Audi?

[chesterfield]

For all you know the warranty is invalid due to a modification the owner has done so it would also mean some extra costs… maybe an inspection and history check buy Audi?

This is an incredibly valid point. If any car has been chipped or modified previously, then it may have picked up a TD1 code along the way, which means manufacturer warranty wont exist.

[L3nnox]

This is an incredibly valid point. If any car has been chipped or modified previously, then it may have picked up a TD1 code along the way, which means manufacturer warranty wont exist.

Not entirely a fait accompli, and I speak from experience, although with a different marquee. My 535d was mapped (DMS) and it was in for a vast amount of warranty work with BMW including an I-drive rebuild and reprogram and they never mentioned it. Audi Glasgow are happy for cars to mapped but if bought from them they would prefer they were done on site. They even off it as a service (maybe s bit more underdesk). Even Arnold Clark VW said they would not care if it was mapped.... Only if the tuner had fried the cars Brain...

I'm still considering DTUK rather than Revo at this point though for my GTD as its a lease car. If it were personal, wouldn't give s hoot.

So I wouldn't disregard it out of hand without asking the question. Chet it to s local dealership for s full check as part of the purchase agreement.


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[Omega Man]

I'm in Glasgow but I could ask my mate to pop round if you want....


Thanks very much for the offer, but no worry unless you're there anyway, it was more a curiosity than anything else due to the rarity of the model.



Just my humble opinion, but I would beg borrow or steal the extra £5k to get a brand new facelift version over that private purchase. Even if they were identical versions I would go for the new one. I would also have a new BiTDI with some options over any used S6 circa £40k. That’s just me though :)


Drivethedeal.com are quoting £39k on a BiTDI with my options and £48k for a S6 so it does put these AutoTrader prices in to perspective.



Maybe I’m too cautious, but I wouldn’t risk £40k on a private sale either.


Totally agree - you've got to really know what you're doing if buying private and you're still taking on some risk.

[L3nnox]

That one's got Adaptive Cruise Control too... Get it bought!

Got adaptive cruise on the Golf GTD, ******* amazing, I literally drive all the way to work in rush hour and apart from a few set of traffic lights, didn't touch the brakes or accelerator. I did the first time set the cruise to 75mph and the closest car setting, was the surprised when I hit s clear 30mph street and it shot off, whoops!!!! It even did an emergency stop when a car cut me up... Granted the gap it leaves is slightly generous for slow traffic.


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[Westyfield2]

Got adaptive cruise on the Golf GTD, ******* amazing, I literally drive all the way to work in rush hour and apart from a few set of traffic lights, didn't touch the brakes or accelerator. I did the first time set the cruise to 75mph and the closest car setting, was the surprised when I hit s clear 30mph street and it shot off, whoops!!!! It even did an emergency stop when a car cut me up... Granted the gap it leaves is slightly generous for slow traffic.

Yeah, it really is great! I first had it on a Volvo hire car when abroad, so then knew I had to choose it when I specced the new build Lexus I had before the Audi. I'm sure that regular cruise control was good back when the roads were quieter, but these days they're just too busy to be able to set and leave it on.

Unfortunately my A6 had to be bought used as Audi had stopped building them with petrol engines, and so I had to drop the ACC requirement in order to find one that met the rest of my desired spec. Will definitely choose it again though the next time I do a new build.