Facelift Improvements and issues

[A6S]

After a couple of days of owning my facelift car I though i would point out a few things.

Improvements
The new colour DIS now shows full sat nav information including maps, with zoom function etc. Not sure if the old one did it as I had the black and white DIS previously. I would say to folk this is one of the coolest features on the facelift and i would spec the car with this over bling bling alloys or any other toys.
New DIS also recognises foreign characters(chinese/japanese in my case) I know this isnt important to most but thought i would point it out.
New climate control(4-zone) now comes up on the MMI screen so when you change the temp it shows it on the screen so you dont have to look down at the unit.
New LED headlights seems better that the old xenon ones, wouldnt say its night and day difference but a little better. Not sure if the Matrix LED ones are gonna be any better
New AMI is just 2 usb ports(one marked for iphone and other just normal usb) in the armrest which is a massive improvement compared to the old Audi only cable. Works well with my iphone 6 for music, playlist etc

Issues
cant get VIM to work yet but i think the answer is out there
The MMI screen doesnt not recognise foreign character even though the DIS does. annoying but i can live with till/if audi updates it. at least it was consistent in my old one that both didnt recognise foreign characters
Still not fully iphone compatible or non RSAP phones. cant get google maps and online services working. Dealer says only way is stick a sim card in the hole if you got an iphone.
Stop/start is a bit more aggressive in this one compared to my old maybe thatshow they bring the emmissions down. every junction, roundabout etc it wants to shut down. simple buttin to switch it off though.

thats all i can think of just now, will update this as i find new stuff

[GT20T]

Good feedback, and it seems that this sums up the changes pretty well.

One other that people will be keen to hear about is the acoustic glazing to the front - not sure if you'd have noticed this yet.
I have a pre FL saloon and there is a bit of flapping / buffeting around the driver's window, but nothing to cry about!

The colour DIS with full Nav display is one I would have liked, as I turn off / retract my mmi screen 9 times out of 10 at night as I find it annoying - too many lights. The nav arrows on the colour dis are good, but the new version sounds much better.

[CharlesElliott]

Thanks, interesting update. What software version is your MMI (and maps out of interest!)?

Charles

[A6S]

Not noticed the acoustic glazing but I'm half deaf according to the mrs:D
will try and get some pics up later.

[A6S]

Thanks, interesting update. What software version is your MMI (and maps out of interest!)?

Charles

how do i find out which version it is?

[A6S]

couple of other things i noticed.
fuel economy not much different between my old 177ps to the new 190ps.
speed and power is about the same, butt dyno cant tell the extra 13ps:D
volume knob is on the opposite side of gearstick so im always going for the wrong side.

[A6S]

265142651226513Here some pics of the improvements

[CharlesElliott]

New DIS looks nice! Version - go to the Setup MMI option and scroll all the way to the bottom.

[M1tchy]

Very nice. Didn't think id like the map inbetween the clocks.....but I do!


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[A6S]

New DIS looks nice! Version - go to the Setup MMI option and scroll all the way to the bottom.
will have a look on my way home from work.

[chucky]

After a couple of days of owning my facelift car I though i would point out a few things.

Improvements
The new colour DIS now shows full sat nav information including maps, with zoom function etc. Not sure if the old one did it as I had the black and white DIS previously. I would say to folk this is one of the coolest features on the facelift and i would spec the car with this over bling bling alloys or any other toys.
New DIS also recognises foreign characters(chinese/japanese in my case) I know this isnt important to most but thought i would point it out.
New climate control(4-zone) now comes up on the MMI screen so when you change the temp it shows it on the screen so you dont have to look down at the unit.
New LED headlights seems better that the old xenon ones, wouldnt say its night and day difference but a little better. Not sure if the Matrix LED ones are gonna be any better
New AMI is just 2 usb ports(one marked for iphone and other just normal usb) in the armrest which is a massive improvement compared to the old Audi only cable. Works well with my iphone 6 for music, playlist etc

Issues
cant get VIM to work yet but i think the answer is out there
The MMI screen doesnt not recognise foreign character even though the DIS does. annoying but i can live with till/if audi updates it. at least it was consistent in my old one that both didnt recognise foreign characters
Still not fully iphone compatible or non RSAP phones. cant get google maps and online services working. Dealer says only way is stick a sim card in the hole if you got an iphone.
Stop/start is a bit more aggressive in this one compared to my old maybe thatshow they bring the emmissions down. every junction, roundabout etc it wants to shut down. simple buttin to switch it off though.

thats all i can think of just now, will update this as i find new stuff Congrats on your new car. Could you check something out for me if you listen to music from a memory stick. When I sat in a facelift in the dealers I found the following: in the pre-facelift it was possible to select artists and albums on the small screen between the dials using the button on the left hand side of the steering wheel, it appears that now you can only select a song - ie you can no longer move back from song to album to artist and scroll down to make a new selection. Now you can only scroll down through the songs - in my case all 3,800 of them. The system still works as before with the MMI screen but I liked being able to select my music from the steering wheel - it was less distracting. Is this really the situation? Thanks.

[A6S]

Congrats on your new car. Could you check something out for me if you listen to music from a memory stick. When I sat in a facelift in the dealers I found the following: in the pre-facelift it was possible to select artists and albums on the small screen between the dials using the button on the left hand side of the steering wheel, it appears that now you can only select a song - ie you can no longer move back from song to album to artist and scroll down to make a new selection. Now you can only scroll down through the songs - in my case all 3,800 of them. The system still works as before with the MMI screen but I liked being able to select my music from the steering wheel - it was less distracting. Is this really the situation? Thanks.

It only lets you scroll through songs and not albums or playlists.
i always used the mmi in my old c7 so didn't even noticed that bit changed.

[wildbore]

I checked the post-facelift owner manual and the relevant section about browsing media files from the steering wheel (and in the DIP) has changed (the graphic showing the menu with "Artist", "Album", "Playlists" has been removed). What a bizarre, retrograde step. Perhaps the functionality can be re-enabled using VCDS?

[chucky]

Thanks guys. That is crazy. Why would they remove such a convenient function?

[Westyfield2]

Climate sounds exactly as the same as mine (Pre-facelift but with the quad climate option chosen).

Improved maps display in the DIS sounds good. However the pre-facelift optional colour DIS is very good anyway, and a massive step up from the standard B&W version IMHO.

[A6S]

New DIS looks nice! Version - go to the Setup MMI option and scroll all the way to the bottom.
Here you go
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[CharlesElliott]

Thanks for that - just to confirm that you have MMI 3G+ (rather than 3G?). It looks like 3G+, but just checking.

[A6S]

Thanks for that - just to confirm that you have MMI 3G+ (rather than 3G?). It looks like 3G+, but just checking.
What's the difference between 3G and plus?

[pauloil]

Hi,

New member here so please go easy!!

Don't mean to thread hijack here but does anyone know if the facelift instrument cluster with full colour DIS has the same part number as the pre-facelift but with a newer software revision?

Thanks in advance.....

Paul

[CharlesElliott]

EDIT: I think the 2015 cars have a different part number but I would need to check more carefully.

[A6S]

just a wee update after having the car a few weeks.
Those of you looking to turn on VIM on the facelift mmi, basically it won't work with vcds. From research the unit security code isn't available even with the code generators as the unit isn't the same as the mmi 3G or 3G+. The unit is similar if not the same as the ones fitted to the A3 8v. There are dongles that can be bought to do the job but not sure if it will work or fry my unit. vag can can supposedly do it but that's like £200 for cable and software. If any of you have the means to do it please give me a shout. I'm sure some beer tokens won't go a miss;-)
It's funny how Audi doesn't let you watch TV in motion but lets you do Facebook and Twitter on the move.

rear bumper. Those fancy looking tailpipes are just trims with a big hole. The weedy exhaust sits behind this might be different on the faster models.

Auto Dimming wing mirrors. I would give these a miss if you have tinted windows. Only activated once for me when a big Range Rover was tailgating me so I presume these share the same sensor as the rear view mirror.
Folding mirrors look cool but really only gives you at most a couple of inches extra room. The casing on the mirrors are just massive so even folded in they don't provide that much extra clearance.

Google Earth works in the dis and looks pretty good. It's a shame Google street view doesn't change as the car is moving.
Mmi tells me my phone battery is dying. My old one didn't do this.

Axtivated lap timer on mine. Now has boost gauge, oil temp and speed all in the dis. Interesting information. Been noticing on the ultra that it takes a good 15 minutes for oil be at working temp so I know when I can drive it like I stole it.

Think the facelift has the 75 litre fuel tank as standard. Filled up the other day and got 69 litres in the tank with the light on. Never managed more than 62 ish in the old one.

Rear seats now has the ISO fix top mounts on parcel shelf. Old one never had this. Surprised it took this long for Audi to put these in the car as they have been around for years.

Think that's about it.

[Rower1978]

just a wee update after having the car a few weeks.
Those of you looking to turn on VIM on the facelift mmi, basically it won't work with vcds. From research the unit security code isn't available even with the code generators as the unit isn't the same as the mmi 3G or 3G+. The unit is similar if not the same as the ones fitted to the A3 8v. There are dongles that can be bought to do the job but not sure if it will work or fry my unit. vag can can supposedly do it but that's like £200 for cable and software. If any of you have the means to do it please give me a shout. I'm sure some beer tokens won't go a miss;-)
It's funny how Audi doesn't let you watch TV in motion but lets you do Facebook and Twitter on the move.

rear bumper. Those fancy looking tailpipes are just trims with a big hole. The weedy exhaust sits behind this might be different on the faster models.

Auto Dimming wing mirrors. I would give these a miss if you have tinted windows. Only activated once for me when a big Range Rover was tailgating me so I presume these share the same sensor as the rear view mirror.
Folding mirrors look cool but really only gives you at most a couple of inches extra room. The casing on the mirrors are just massive so even folded in they don't provide that much extra clearance.

Google Earth works in the dis and looks pretty good. It's a shame Google street view doesn't change as the car is moving.
Mmi tells me my phone battery is dying. My old one didn't do this.

Axtivated lap timer on mine. Now has boost gauge, oil temp and speed all in the dis. Interesting information. Been noticing on the ultra that it takes a good 15 minutes for oil be at working temp so I know when I can drive it like I stole it.

Think the facelift has the 75 litre fuel tank as standard. Filled up the other day and got 69 litres in the tank with the light on. Never managed more than 62 ish in the old one.

Rear seats now has the ISO fix top mounts on parcel shelf. Old one never had this. Surprised it took this long for Audi to put these in the car as they have been around for years.

Think that's about it.

How did you activate the lap timer?!

[Guest 2]

How did you activate the lap timer?!


A6 C7 VCDS Tricks (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?132245-A6-C7-VCDS-Tricks)

[Whippy53]

I hate that thing with the tail pipes, it's so "who does he think he's fooling" all the manufacturers seem to do it as well. How hard can it be to do it well for God's sake.
I believe capacity is 73 ltrs. Thanks for a good write up, I think the biggest improvements are the dash and the LED's. Oh, and some of the colours.

[A6S]

Forgot to put this on.
Cornering lights are much better with the led headlights. The brightness and angle of light is where it should be. On pre facelift it was a halogen bulb within the headlight that lit up, now it's another led.
Front fog lights are a waste of time. They make no difference whatsoever. It was foggy a few days after picking up the car and I kept pushing the button and it made no difference at all. Wasn't till I patked up and pressed the button and got out to see that it was the worlds smallest led lit up in the corner of the headlight. Maybe it's cause the headlight was so bright that it made the fog a bit insignificant but at least in the old the side of the road was noticeably brighter.

[whitter45]

Forgot to put this on.
Cornering lights are much better with the led headlights. The brightness and angle of light is where it should be. On pre facelift it was a halogen bulb within the headlight that lit up, now it's another led.
Front fog lights are a waste of time. They make no difference whatsoever. It was foggy a few days after picking up the car and I kept pushing the button and it made no difference at all. Wasn't till I patked up and pressed the button and got out to see that it was the worlds smallest led lit up in the corner of the headlight. Maybe it's cause the headlight was so bright that it made the fog a bit insignificant but at least in the old the side of the road was noticeably brighter.


Seems to contradict that statement as the cornering lights are the fog lights, so on one hand yoru saying its bright for corning but then for fogs its useless

The tank is 73 litres for all ultra models whether FL or not, prior to this it was a £100 option for the bigger tank

[johnsimcox]

Seems to contradict that statement as the cornering lights are the fog lights, so on one hand yoru saying its bright for corning but then for fogs its useless

The tank is 73 litres for all ultra models whether FL or not, prior to this it was a £100 option for the bigger tank
I thought on the pre-FL Xenon and LED there was a dedicate cornering light and the fog lights used either (Xenon) the LED DRL unit or (LED) a specific combination of LEDs to create the "All Weather" light. No idea how this is handled on the Facelift cars

[A6S]

Looks like more than just the fog lights come on when cornering. I could be wrong.
Maybe the angle is good for cornering but not so with fog.

[johnsimcox]

Auto Dimming wing mirrors. I would give these a miss if you have tinted windows. Only activated once for me when a big Range Rover was tailgating me so I presume these share the same sensor as the rear view mirror.
Folding mirrors look cool but really only gives you at most a couple of inches extra room. The casing on the mirrors are just massive so even folded in they don't provide that much extra clearance.
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A few years back there was a poster on the A4 section of this forum (Scotty IIRC) who actually got a refund from Audi because they allowed him to order dipping door mirrors on his car with privacy glass and he then found that the mirrors would not dip because the sensor is in the rear view mirror. WOuld have thought Audi would have learnt their lesson on this one by now

[Westyfield2]

I thought on the pre-FL Xenon and LED there was a dedicate cornering light and the fog lights used either (Xenon) the LED DRL unit or (LED) a specific combination of LEDs to create the "All Weather" light. No idea how this is handled on the Facelift cars

On Prefacelift there's the regular Xenon lights that are standard on S-Line (which lots of people then coded it to use the all weather lights as a sort of cornering light), or you could tick the adaptive lights option on top of your Xenon headlights which gave "swivelling headlights for improved illumination of a winding road, and dynamic cornering function. Kerb-light function is activated when indicator is switched on, steering wheel is turned considerably or 'reverse' is selected. Operational between approximately 6mph and 68mph. There are three light distribution modes for the adaptive light system based on navigation data (if MMI Navigation Plus is fitted)."

There was also the LED headlights option. "Featuring dipped beam, main beam, daytime-running lights, indicators, static turning light, all-weather light and LED motorway light function; includes main beam assist for automatic switching between main and dipped beams, an all-weather light function to reduce the risk of the driver being dazzled when visibility is poor (in fog, rain or snow) and an additional motorway light which automatically increases headlight range at speeds above approximately 68mph; LED technology allows near daylight illumination of the road for increased safety and comfort; minimal energy requirements, long service life and particularly good visibility to other road users."

The Facelift LED headlights (now standard on S-Line) are the same as pre-facelift.

The Facelift offers a further option of Audi Matrix LED headlights. "A direct evolution of Audi's LED headlights, Audi Matrix technology provides maximum and precise illumination at all times without dazzling other road users. The vehicle uses information obtained from multiple sources including the interior mirror camera and navigation system to identify the appropriate lighting required; using GPS data, the vehicle will use high beam, but will automatically switch to dipped lighting when entering built up areas; whilst high beam is in use, and oncoming traffic is detected, the Matrix beam dips or fully extinguishes individual lighting diodes.
Matrix beam is capable of establishing and tracking multiple road users and illuminating the appropriate corridors of lights either side of them to maintain maximum visibility of the road and surrounding environment without causing disruption to other drivers." Matrix headlights also have Dynamic front indicators, like the new facelift rear indicators.

[Westyfield2]

From what I've read the best things about the facelift are the new dash (although the pre-facelift colour DIS option was very good anyway), the bigger fuel tank being standard, LED headlights being standard on S-Line, and the dynamic rear indicators.

The new bumpers and exhaust tips are waste of time IMHO.

Shame though that there's no petrol engines in the A6 - you have to get an S or RS if you want a petrol.

[chesterfield]

Reduction in CO2 levels across the board also helps put some models into lower BIK brackets which is useful for those considering them as company cars.

[Hellodave.]

I thought on the pre-FL Xenon and LED there was a dedicate cornering light and the fog lights used either (Xenon) the LED DRL unit or (LED) a specific combination of LEDs to create the "All Weather" light. No idea how this is handled on the Facelift cars


Looks like more than just the fog lights come on when cornering. I could be wrong.
Maybe the angle is good for cornering but not so with fog.
On my pre-FL Avant with LED headlights, there are dedicated cornering lights on each side. These have a reflector so the light is directed to either side of the car and fade up and down when cornering. The same lights are used for the "All Weather" function.

When you switch on the "All Weather" lights both cornering lights come on and the asymetric part of the headlight beam (the 3 vertical LEDs) are switched off to stop glare, leaving you with 6 (out of 9) headlight LEDs plus cornering light active. This could be why you're not impressed with the fog function - the total light output and headlight range will go down but that's a result of the 3 headlight LEDs switching off. I haven't been through much fog but the all weather function looks like it would do the same job as fog lights - it lights up the edges of the road quite brightly.

One thing I have found with the LED lights is because they run very cool compared to halogens you have to remember to scrape them if the car is iced up. Otherwise they take forever to defrost - took me a while to work out why my lights were performing no better than candles!

[A6S]

that explains a lot. Lose some light up front and gain some elsewhere.

[A6S]

Reduction in CO2 levels across the board also helps put some models into lower BIK brackets which is useful for those considering them as company cars.
on the ultra models i was told £20 tax but depending on the wheels it can go up
mines £30 tax cause of the 19's

[chesterfield]

Yes as of this year (september I believe) then optional wheels and their affect on the CO2 levels must be reflected on the V5. Before, you could spec whatever you want, and the V5 would show the CO2 level of the standard vehicle that the test was done on. Not so now.

Its all one giant con anyway imho. Having a taxation system based on emissions, that then doesn't take into account usage is just fraudulent in my view.

[Westyfield2]

Having a taxation system based on emissions, that then doesn't take into account usage is just fraudulent in my view.

+ only focusing on CO2, rather including the harmful NOx and particulate matter of diesels.

[Rower1978]

Picking up my new FL Avant BE tomorrow. Can't wait, will post pics if someone could explain how to do it on this site?!

[GEEnviro]

Lucky man! Post photos!!!

Picking up my new FL Avant BE tomorrow. Can't wait, will post pics if someone could explain how to do it on this site?!

[chesterfield]

Picking up my new FL Avant BE tomorrow. Can't wait, will post pics if someone could explain how to do it on this site?!

Easiest way if you don't have photobucket is to go to a site like tinypic.com and upload there, it then generates the links that you use to post up on the forum.

Congratulations!

[Rower1978]

Easiest way if you don't have photobucket is to go to a site like tinypic.com and upload there, it then generates the links that you use to post up on the forum.

Congratulations!

Thanks Chesterfield. Will sign up to photobucket. I can confirm the RS6 twin spoke titanium alloys look absolutely incredible on the BE Avant in Ibis White. So so glad I chose these over the rotors. I'm having some issues connecting to audi connect if anyone can help? See my new post titled Audi Connect. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

[spitty]

Thanks Chesterfield. Will sign up to photobucket. I can confirm the RS6 twin spoke titanium alloys look absolutely incredible on the BE Avant in Ibis White. So so glad I chose these over the rotors. I'm having some issues connecting to audi connect if anyone can help? See my new post titled Audi Connect. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

Hi Rower1978,

congrats on the new car. I usually just click the reply button, then in the tool bar select the "Insert Image" Button (3rd from the end on the right hand side). This will pop up a window select picture (Not over 1.0mb) upload the image. This will insert a thumbnails sized picture in the post, double click the image (Just uploaded), select centred and large and accept, this will give you big images, actual size they get smaller. And that is it (I think you can add 5 per post)

Hope this helps

[Rower1978]

Hi Rower1978,

congrats on the new car. I usually just click the reply button, then in the tool bar select the "Insert Image" Button (3rd from the end on the right hand side). This will pop up a window select picture (Not over 1.0mb) upload the image. This will insert a thumbnails sized picture in the post, double click the image (Just uploaded), select centred and large and accept, this will give you big images, actual size they get smaller. And that is it (I think you can add 5 per post)

Hope this helps
Thanks Spitty! Here she is...

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[spitty]

That looks stunning, Love your wheel choice, wished I had gone the BE route now as there is too much chrome on the S-Line. I bet you are really pleased. I have a A6 FL Avant 2.0tdi 190bhp S-Tronic S-Line in Ibis White on order currently due March your car looks stunning, I've been dying to see one in Ibis, thanks for posting the pictures, what head lights are they?

[Rower1978]

That looks stunning, Love your wheel choice, wished I had gone the BE route now as there is too much chrome on the S-Line. I bet you are really pleased. I have a A6 FL Avant 2.0tdi 190bhp S-Tronic S-Line in Ibis White on order currently due March your car looks stunning, I've been dying to see one in Ibis, thanks for posting the pictures, what head lights are they?

Thanks Spitty, I was blown away when I picked it up this morning. It looks truly awesome and the alloys really make it. The headlights are standard LEDs that come with the black edition.

[spitty]

It looks stunning, I thought you may have had Matrix LED! I bet you don't get much sleep tonight, I know I wouldn't. I really pleased for you and hope you enjoy, when you get 5 minute put some more pictures up, interior etc. Reading your earlier post, we had an EE card in work for a 3G router and this thing was showing signal and we couldn't get any data out of it, the SIM needed to be activated in a tablet and then it just worked!

[B6Andy101]

Ref the AMI 'upgrade' to USB connection I have seen a saloon s line facelift in a showroom with the old style cable connection. This may have been a pre production 'showroom car' The Avant facelift car had the USB connections. One to watch :)

[A6S]

Ref the AMI 'upgrade' to USB connection I have seen a saloon s line facelift in a showroom with the old style cable connection. This may have been a pre production 'showroom car' The Avant facelift car had the USB connections. One to watch :)
New ami with usb might only be fitted to cars with tech pack or mmi touch as an option as its a different unit to the pre fl. just guessing though. Haven't seen a fl without the tech pack yet. Only seen a few and they were all well spec'd

[KevinA6]

Hi all,

hoping to pick up my BE this day week. Just a quick question, I have speced the MMI touch option and was just wondering what size SIM card I need to fit in the dash slot?

Also so I have gone for the Bose sound system and views on this?

thanks, Kevin

[Rower1978]

Hi all,

hoping to pick up my BE this day week. Just a quick question, I have speced the MMI touch option and was just wondering what size SIM card I need to fit in the dash slot?

Also so I have gone for the Bose sound system and views on this?

thanks, Kevin

Hi Kevin, the MMI takes the standard larger sized sim. EE do a good deal - £15 for 6GB data for 3 months.

Bose system is out of this world. Utterly fantastic. Bass is thumping. Love it.

[KevinA6]

Hi Kevin, the MMI takes the standard larger sized sim. EE do a good deal - £15 for 6GB data for 3 months.

Bose system is out of this world. Utterly fantastic. Bass is thumping. Love it.

thanks rower,

thought the bose would be a good pick. Have you had any hassle using both the in dash sim and your mobile over Bluetooth- can you choose which one the car uses for what function

[Rower1978]

thanks rower,

thought the bose would be a good pick. Have you had any hassle using both the in dash sim and your mobile over Bluetooth- can you choose which one the car uses for what function

Not at all. I have an iPhone which pairs the phone book over Bluetooth and the in dash sim powers the data. Works a treat although obviously would have been good if I could have used the iPhone for the data connection also, but iphone doesn't have an 'rsap' setting which is required for this.

[KevinA6]

Not at all. I have an iPhone which pairs the phone book over Bluetooth and the in dash sim powers the data. Works a treat although obviously would have been good if I could have used the iPhone for the data connection also, but iphone doesn't have an 'rsap' setting which is required for this.
Thought that's how it would work. Did you have to change many settings in the mmi to split the functions between the two sims.

Love be the colour you went with by the way! I've gone with the mythos black was very tempted to go with the White though...

[Rower1978]

Thought that's how it would work. Did you have to change many settings in the mmi to split the functions between the two sims.

Love be the colour you went with by the way! I've gone with the mythos black was very tempted to go with the White though...

No settings to change, worked straight out the box! Thank you, yes I love the ibis white, changed my order at the very last minute from glacier white and glad I did! Plus ibis is 'free'! You will love yours when it turns up, truly stunning motor. [emoji6]

[KevinA6]

No settings to change, worked straight out the box! Thank you, yes I love the ibis white, changed my order at the very last minute from glacier white and glad I did! Plus ibis is 'free'! You will love yours when it turns up, truly stunning motor. [emoji6]


itll be worth the wait! Will hopefully have mine this day week. Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh and making sure it's as ordered. A mate of mine picked up his new 5 series msport today but he had ordered an "msport plus" and the dealer for got to spec the "plus" bit:(

they better have included the black edition on my order...:aargh4:

[B6Andy101]

Ref the AMI 'upgrade' to USB connection I have seen a saloon s line facelift in a showroom with the old style cable connection. This may have been a pre production 'showroom car' The Avant facelift car had the USB connections. One to watch :)

Well my car has now arrived. Sorry to say I have the old style AMI cable set up and not the twin USB's as others I have seen.

Nothing else to grumble about.

[Rower1978]

Well my car has now arrived. Sorry to say I have the old style AMI cable set up and not the twin USB's as others I have seen.

Nothing else to grumble about.

You have the pre-facelift?

[B6Andy101]

You have the pre-facelift?


No, its a facelift Black Edition.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr167/B6Andy101/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg (http://s480.photobucket.com/user/B6Andy101/media/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg.html)

[Rower1978]

No, its a facelift Black Edition.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr167/B6Andy101/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg (http://s480.photobucket.com/user/B6Andy101/media/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg.html)

Maybe it's because you didn't spec the tech pack then? I assumed all facelifts come with USB ports adjacent the phone box???

[B6Andy101]

Maybe it's because you didn't spec the tech pack then? I assumed all facelifts come with USB ports adjacent the phone box???

Think you are correct. I think it is the tech pack driving this. Would be good to hear from any other owners without the tech pack.

[KevinA6]

Car looks fab!

[KevinA6]

No, its a facelift Black Edition.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr167/B6Andy101/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg (http://s480.photobucket.com/user/B6Andy101/media/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg.html)

looks fab!!

[Westyfield2]

No, its a facelift Black Edition.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr167/B6Andy101/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg (http://s480.photobucket.com/user/B6Andy101/media/A6%20Black%20Edition/01_NO_PLATES.jpg.html)

I need those rear lights!

[Family man]

265142651226513Here some pics of the improvements



Mine arrived this week, I have the old Audi/VW cable and socket. It's in the same place, but no USB as your photo shows.

[A6S]

Do you have the tech pack?
From what the dealer told me it's only on the tech pack or the mmi high

[KevinA6]

I have MMI plus with touch an in the glove box there is a package with an iPhone connection on one end and what looks like a mini scart connection on the other. Not sure what it's for or where it plugs in. Also have 2 USB ports in the armrest.

[Family man]

I didn't spec any tech options, so MMI is basic as it comes. I have two leads in a bag, one to plug 30 pin apple products into, the other USB. Each lead plugs into the 'mini scart thing' in the armrest.

This is what I expected, it was the same case in my Passat and my wife's Golf, and I'm happy with it.

Apparently, if I upgrade the apple lead from a blue collar to a red collar, I will get more functions such as album art. That's the only reason I'm looking at the thread.

[@lpher]

Climate sounds exactly as the same as mine (Pre-facelift but with the quad climate option ).

Same here (2011 A7) So this might be standard on quad climate system...pre-FL and FL :)

[johnsimcox]

I didn't spec any tech options, so MMI is basic as it comes. I have two leads in a bag, one to plug 30 pin apple products into, the other USB. Each lead plugs into the 'mini scart thing' in the armrest.

This is what I expected, it was the same case in my Passat and my wife's Golf, and I'm happy with it.

Apparently, if I upgrade the apple lead from a blue collar to a red collar, I will get more functions such as album art. That's the only reason I'm looking at the thread.
Surprised Audi is still shipping cars with blue collar cables since the red collar cable has been out for 3 years. Did your dealer not discuss which iDevices you had when you ordered the car? My dealer went through this with me when ordering the car to make sure I got the Lightening cable for an iPhone6.

[Family man]

I think a trip to dealer for a new cable is in order.

On another note. I was expecting an updated graphic for the Drive Select screen: a 3D representation of the car rather than 2D in a circle.
Was I wrong?

[johnsimcox]

I think a trip to dealer for a new cable is in order.

On another note. I was expecting an updated graphic for the Drive Select screen: a 3D representation of the car rather than 2D in a circle.
Was I wrong?
They should swap the cable for you, in fact when I got my current car an I asked about the red collar cable (only just released at that time) they gave it to me and I kept the other cable as well. The 3D representation in Drive Select comes with the Tech Pack

[Family man]

They should swap the cable for you, in fact when I got my current car an I asked about the red collar cable (only just released at that time) they gave it to me and I kept the other cable as well. The 3D representation in Drive Select comes with the Tech Pack


Thanks is for that. I'll see how I get on.
I guessed it would be part of a tech pack etc. it doesn't bother me, just interested.

In it's standard form the car is already a significant leap ahead of my old CC and so far I love it

[Richard Judson]

Hi,

I have the latest A6 Avant 2.0 Tdi Ultra S tronic. The car is fantastic but let down badly by an extremely poor sound system. The car is standard Nav with standard sound. Is anyone else struggling with this.

Research has uncovered that there are two standard sound systems available which are not documented anywhere and the dealer network are oblivious to this fact. The upgraded Nav system also gets an upgraded sound system which is what all the demo cars are fitted with. You ask the question regarding the sound system and the reply is 'that is the standard sound system which you will get if you have the standard Nav'.

BEWARE - this is not the case. Currently arguing with VW Financial services (leasing co) and Audi Customer services who won't talk to me and have directed me to the trading standards officer. What a sham.

Can anyone help?

Richard.

[johnsimcox]

Hi,

I have the latest A6 Avant 2.0 Tdi Ultra S tronic. The car is fantastic but let down badly by an extremely poor sound system. The car is standard Nav with standard sound. Is anyone else struggling with this.

Research has uncovered that there are two standard sound systems available which are not documented anywhere and the dealer network are oblivious to this fact. The upgraded Nav system also gets an upgraded sound system which is what all the demo cars are fitted with. You ask the question regarding the sound system and the reply is 'that is the standard sound system which you will get if you have the standard Nav'.

BEWARE - this is not the case. Currently arguing with VW Financial services (leasing co) and Audi Customer services who won't talk to me and have directed me to the trading standards officer. What a sham.

Can anyone help?

Richard.
Could you clarify what the differences are as this is the first I have heard of it. I have a pre-facelift SE with standard RMC system and quite happy with the sound system. I also have a facelift SE being built next week again with standard RMC system.

[Whippy53]

Mines fine! Not into drum n bass though.

[Richard Judson]

I found out the hard way.....

A back to back test with another vehicle proved the considerable differences between the standard 'low' and standard 'high' system.

When the Tech pack (upgraded Nav) is specified, the sound system 'high' is built into the car otherwise you get the 'low' system which I can only say is awful. Everyone who has had the pleasure of listening to it agrees. There is no documentation in the brochure to suggest that there are two standard sound systems and the dealer network is completely unaware. I have in fact questioned a few dealers since taking delivery to make sure that I haven't made the mistake. The dealers will tell you that there are three options: -

Standard
Bose
Bang & Olufsen

You can see how I made the mistake, all the cars I looked at had the 'high' system and I was told that would come in every A6 unless Bose or B&O was specified. Not at all happy as I cover up to 50k per year - in the process of trying to get rid of it.

I'm based in Hertfordshire and travel the country so let me know if you want test it for yourself.

Richard.

[johnsimcox]

Just for further clarification. In Germany Audi offer the MMI Radio system as standard which has 80w output, 8 speakers and no SD Card slots or Bluetooth and the MMI Radio Plus with 180w Audi Sound System and the SD Card slots and AMI as an option. All UK cars get MMI Radio Plus as standard and (according to all the marketing material) which includes 10 speakers including a sub-bass unit. Bose and B&O are the obviously options on top of that

[Richard Judson]

You probably have the Tech Pack (colour display) which has the sound system 'high' which I agree is fine. That is what I thought and was told, was standard, unfortunately not.

[johnsimcox]

You probably have the Tech Pack (colour display) which has the sound system 'high' which I agree is fine. That is what I thought and was told, was standard, unfortunately not.

No as I have stated I have the standard RMC MMI system and Audi in all their materials refer to all cars getting MMI Radio Plus in the UK. Where is the evidence that Tech pack gets a better system? I am not doubting what you say but I would like to understand what you have learnt and what is the evidence that the tech pack option gives you a different sound system

[CharlesElliott]

The (June 16) brochure says that all cars in SE spec have 10 speakers including woofer in the spare wheel well. No change for S-line.

How many speakers does your 'low' system have?

[Richard Judson]

This is where the problem lies, there is no documentation to distinguish between the two systems. I have an email from my local dealer who looked at the build of the car that I carried out the back to back test with. At this point I thought that iI had identified that there was a problem with my car because of the differences. The email states that the other car has the sound system 'high' which is built into cars with the tech pack. My car has the sound system 'low' which is rubbish. The spec is 180 watt, 6 channel, 10 speaker, sub-woofer system.

I can email the info over to you if you like, my email for reference richard.judson@uk.interactrivecoding.com

[Richard Judson]

The brochure states that for all A6 models with the standard sound system. Yes they do have the 10 speaker 180 watt system. Mine has 10 speakers etc. etc., but it is the 'low' spec system which isn't covered in the brochure.

I would never have ordered the car had I known.

[CharlesElliott]

So the suggestion is that if you order WB4 (Tech Pack) it is a 'different' 10 speaker system.

It would be interesting to see the Audi spec sheet from your car, and another one that just has WB4 with no Bose/B&O option.

[Richard Judson]

You are correct, it is a different 10 speaker system which I have discovered to my cost.

I'll try to get the build sheet for my car as a comparison. Happy to email you the correspondence from the local dealer who discovered this.

[Whippy53]

Never heard of this, mines pre face lift, no tech pack, and has 180 watts, 10 speakers, subwoofer, and sounds great

[A6S]

Just got out a facelift se ultra courtesy car that's bog standard with no options on it.
Compared to my sline facelift with tech pack I personally cant hear the difference in sound quality between the 2. I'm using my phone to stream music and I like to listen at high ish volumes. In fact it sounded a little better in the se as there was less tyre noise from the 17s compared to my 19s.

[Family man]

Facelift s line s tronic, Privacy Glass and lighting pack. I can't imagine any of these extras affect the stereo, which as far as I'm concerned is fine. We listen to everything from Nursery Rhymes to Metalica and I have enjoyed all 8,000 km so far.

What I don't have is album art work, unimportant, but it bugs me.

[fest0r]

You are correct, it is a different 10 speaker system which I have discovered to my cost.

I'll try to get the build sheet for my car as a comparison. Happy to email you the correspondence from the local dealer who discovered this.

A friend had an A6 (briefly) with the standard MMI and I didn’t notice any difference in volume or quality to my MMI plus setup. Apart from the hard drive/jukebox rip option I thought they were identical… same dsp, amps and speakers etc. There was a post here recently (can’t find it now) regarding a problem with the central front speaker causing poor sound quality. This wasn’t the common rattling grill issue. I seem to remember it was a new car, but his solution was to disconnect it completely :aargh4: and he was happy with the results.

When you say “The email states that the other car has the sound system 'high' which is built into cars with the tech pack.” was this second hand info from the dealer or some sort of technical spec supplied by Audi? If the only evidence of a difference is a comparative test and a vague email from your dealer I would suggest it’s more likely to be a faulty component or different software version.

I suppose it might be a facelift thing, but it could also be the sales person confusing phone prep with sound system options. Definitely worth having your setup checked for any issues before rejecting the car though.

[Q7quattro]

265142651226513Here some pics of the improvements


i have Google maps and colour display etc, does any one know if there is a software update for the pre-facelift , to get the sat NAV Display between the Rev counter and speedometer ?

i am guessing no additional hardware was added to the facelift to put the navigation between the dials.

if it is possible could be a money for Audi to offer the upgrade.


cheers

[M1tchy]

It's probably possible but doubt they will offer it as an upgrade as they want to sell new cars so make them more desirable than the outgoing model. Shame though as it looks nice.


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[DuncanF]

Given some here report that they are content with the 'low' 10 speaker system I wonder if it is possible that one or more of the OP's speakers are connected out of phase? In a multi speaker system with mixed size drivers and an acoustic nightmare of a listening environment, that would have a weird/wonderful impact on the overall sound quality.

Not looked behind the speakers of a modern Audi, but back in the day the connectors were push on spades, so very easy to wire one out of phase if you have a momentary lapse of concentration. At the amp end the connectors will be one-way fits so no chance to reverse those. It should be a simple job for his dealer to pop out each speaker and confirm connectivity.

[Whippy53]

Or, more likely, it's that one car had different sound settings to t'other.

[Hellodave.]

This is where the problem lies, there is no documentation to distinguish between the two systems. I have an email from my local dealer who looked at the build of the car that I carried out the back to back test with. At this point I thought that iI had identified that there was a problem with my car because of the differences. The email states that the other car has the sound system 'high' which is built into cars with the tech pack. My car has the sound system 'low' which is rubbish. The spec is 180 watt, 6 channel, 10 speaker, sub-woofer system.
I think I know where the confusion is coming from - there is only one "standard" spec sound system; the 180 watt 10 speaker setup. However the amp is located in different places depending on the MMI version - in non tech pack cars it's in the head unit but in cars with the tech pack it's part of the radio module in the boot. According to the Audi SSP the spec for both amplifiers is identical (180w, 6 channel), so the brochure is correct. The components in the amp and the length of wire to each speaker will be different between the two systems but I can't see that would make a huge difference to the sound quality.

I think it's likely that the sound system in your car has a fault or the settings are not correct. Have you auditioned another car with the standard radio and sound system (no tech pack) to see if that's the same?


Given some here report that they are content with the 'low' 10 speaker system I wonder if it is possible that one or more of the OP's speakers are connected out of phase? In a multi speaker system with mixed size drivers and an acoustic nightmare of a listening environment, that would have a weird/wonderful impact on the overall sound quality.

Not looked behind the speakers of a modern Audi, but back in the day the connectors were push on spades, so very easy to wire one out of phase if you have a momentary lapse of concentration. At the amp end the connectors will be one-way fits so no chance to reverse those. It should be a simple job for his dealer to pop out each speaker and confirm connectivity.
They don't use spade connectors any more - all the speaker connectors are keyed and lock into place so unless the actual wires in the plug are reversed they can't be connected the wrong way round.

Like all manufacturers of car audio, Audi's marketing material is a bit "optimistic" about the power output of it's sound systems - the definition of "180 watts" is not clarified, so it's fairly safe to assume this is total peak power output for the whole system. The peak power of an amplifier is pretty meaningless; RMS power with a set THD is the standard measurement and a rule of thumb is RMS power = peak power/4. On that basis the Audi sound system can muster about 45w RMS, and that has to be split over 6 channels! Due to the laws of physics, a standard 12v car amplifier cannot output more than about 12w RMS into any one channel @ 4 ohms so the absolute best the standard sound system could deliver is 12w RMS per channel, (maybe 24w for the sub if it's running at 2 ohms). This power output is no worse than a standard after-market head unit, but it's never going to be enough for a really great sounding system that can run at high volume - a basic after-market sound system with external amplifiers would have at least 50w RMS per channel for all speakers, plus 100w+ for the sub, high end systems will run speakers at 100-200w and subs at 1Kw.

BTW, if you're thinking "Rubbish; a car amplifier can output more than 12w RMS - the BOSE and B&O systems do" it's true, they can, but it requires DC/DC converters to boost the amp's internal supply voltage above 12v. These converters make the circuitry more expensive to build and too bulky to fit inside a head unit so are normally reserved for dedicated external amplifiers, like those used in BOSE, B&O or aftermarket systems. Even the BOSE and B&O systems aren't that powerful in car audio terms - assuming the BOSE's "600w" and B&O's "1200w" are peak power ratings, that's only 150w RMS over 12 channels and 300w over 20 (assuming 4 ohm speakers) - not bad, but not stellar.

[CharlesElliott]

I was looking for the SSP yesterday to investigate this, but couldn't find the 2015 version and my Erwin subscription had run out.

[johnsimcox]

i have Google maps and colour display etc, does any one know if there is a software update for the pre-facelift , to get the sat NAV Display between the Rev counter and speedometer ?

i am guessing no additional hardware was added to the facelift to put the navigation between the dials.

if it is possible could be a money for Audi to offer the upgrade.


cheers

Face lift cars with mmi high have a totally new system that supports 4G and also has a much more powerful graphics processor to support the in dash display which i suspect also has a higher resolution screen than was the case on pre facelift cars


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[chesterfield]

This sounds very much like a faulty component. If Audi used different systems and there was a marked difference in the quality of these, then you can bet it would be stated in the brochure as a way of encouraging more people to tick the option box for MMI High.

Best way to test this, in my opinion, is find another car of the same spec and test against that.

[Richard Judson]

Thanks for the reply.

I carried out a back to back test with another facelift car - A6 Avant but it had the tech pack. Considerable difference in sound quality and depth. The build spec. of the car was investigated and I have an email from my local dealer who have tried to rectify my car, saying that the other car has the 'high' system in it with added amplifiers which will improve the sound quality.

Really frustrated with this to say the least. I can't believe that the sound is quite so poor. Perhaps there is a problem that hasn't been discovered yet, despite the 5F unit being changed and according to the dealer, there is nothing else that can be done.

[Richard Judson]

Thanks,

The local dealer has confirmed there is no documentation to differentiate between the two systems. Audi customer services have referred me to an intermediary body as they won't talk to me. I have explained the situation and the case is now being taken further with Audi.

Will keep you all posted.

[Richard Judson]

I'm beginning to think that there is a fault with the system in my car, but is has been in several times for software upgrades and a new 5F unit. No change I'm afraid.

Very disappointed to say the least. Thanks for the information.

[Richard Judson]

All,

Visited another Audi dealer yesterday to get a second opinion. I am told that the system is working perfectly. I questioned the fact that all speech is accompanied by what sounds like a lisp, and the response was 'That is how the system is set up, sir'.

Rubbish in my view, covering nearly 50k mile per year, this isn't a viable option. Also, you would have thought that a £38,000 car would be spot on, or have I missed the point somewhere?

In summary, the sound is very sharp and nasty to the point where you cannot listen to it any longer. If you apply increased base and / or subwoofer settings the whole system simply bangs or vibrates making a very hollow non-rich sound.

I don't understand how Audi have managed to get it so wrong!

[johnsimcox]

All,

Visited another Audi dealer yesterday to get a second opinion. I am told that the system is working perfectly. I questioned the fact that all speech is accompanied by what sounds like a lisp, and the response was 'That is how the system is set up, sir'.

Rubbish in my view, covering nearly 50k mile per year, this isn't a viable option. Also, you would have thought that a £38,000 car would be spot on, or have I missed the point somewhere?

In summary, the sound is very sharp and nasty to the point where you cannot listen to it any longer. If you apply increased base and / or subwoofer settings the whole system simply bangs or vibrates making a very hollow non-rich sound.

I don't understand how Audi have managed to get it so wrong!
Before believing anything that a dealer is telling you (hard to believe I know but just occasionally the dealer doesn't know what they are talking about:D), I would recommend a back to back test with another non-tech pack facelift car to see if it is really different. I will be able to compare pre and post-facelift cars later this month when my new non-tech pack car arrives and an let you know what I think

[Westyfield2]

Have you been able to find out which sound system you have?


Sound System Basic (8RX)

One loudspeaker in each front door (left and right)
One loudspeaker on each side of dash panel
Two loudspeakers in each rear door (left and right)


Sound System Standard (9VD)

One loudspeaker in each front door (left and right)
Three loudspeakers in each dash panel (left, centre, and right)
Two loudspeakers in each rear door (left and right)
Subwoofer R211 in rear shelf / spare wheel well


Sound System Premium Bose (8RY)

Two loudspeakers in each front door (left and right)
Three loudspeakers in dash panel (left, centre, and right)
Two loudspeakers in each rear door (left and right)
One loudspeaker on each side of rear shelf / D-pillars
Subwoofer R211 in rear shelf / spare wheel well
Digital sound package control unit J525


Sound System Advanced Bang & Olufsen (8RF)

Two loudspeakers in each front door (left and right)
One loudspeaker on each side of dash panel
Two loudspeakers in centre of dash panel
Two loudspeakers in each rear door (left and right)
One loudspeaker on each side of rear shelf / D-pillars
Subwoofer R211 in rear shelf / spare wheel well
Digital sound package control unit J525
Digital sound package control unit 2 J787

[johnsimcox]

Just had call from the dealer. Car is now physically in the UK so will be with the dealer by the end of next week, latest. Will do sound comparison once I get the car

[St3veM]

Had my call to say it arrived yesterday; been in compound since the 8th. Was told there was a large backlog of cars to transport from compound to dealers so don't be surprised if you have a slight delay. Roll on Weds!


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[Mr_Rossy]

With regards to issues over the pre-facelift model .... We've had our 2015 Facelift 190 Black edition for 2 months now and the only issue we have (from day 1) is that the when you call someone (I.e. my wife calls me from the car every morning) using the Bluetooth telephone connection and in-built microphone it sounds like you are in a tunnel and have wind passing over the microphone! (Or like you have sea shell up to your ear!)

Its terrible for the people you are calling, they just want to hang-up, I can't understand a word my wife is saying. The same car but 2013 model we had previously was crystal clear, couldn't fault it. Also when our 6 month old boy is in the back seat and is vocalising then that's all I can hear, it drowns out the driver. If you've ever had a call you needed to take but couldn't understand what each other is saying then you will know how frustrating it is, I think it could cause divorce in our house)

Help needed for sure

[johnsimcox]

With regards to issues over the pre-facelift model .... We've had our 2015 Facelift 190 Black edition for 2 months now and the only issue we have (from day 1) is that the when you call someone (I.e. my wife calls me from the car every morning) using the Bluetooth telephone connection and in-built microphone it sounds like you are in a tunnel and have wind passing over the microphone! (Or like you have sea shell up to your ear!)

Its terrible for the people you are calling, they just want to hang-up, I can't understand a word my wife is saying. The same car but 2013 model we had previously was crystal clear, couldn't fault it. Also when our 6 month old boy is in the back seat and is vocalising then that's all I can hear, it drowns out the driver. If you've ever had a call you needed to take but couldn't understand what each other is saying then you will know how frustrating it is, I think it could cause divorce in our house)

Help needed for sure

I appreciate this was in a pre-facelift Allroad but a friend took delivery of one last September and had a very similar problem. Had the microphone replaced and all has been fine ever since. Audi is aware there was a batch of faulty microphones so suggest you get the dealer to change it


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[johnsimcox]

All,

Visited another Audi dealer yesterday to get a second opinion. I am told that the system is working perfectly. I questioned the fact that all speech is accompanied by what sounds like a lisp, and the response was 'That is how the system is set up, sir'.

Rubbish in my view, covering nearly 50k mile per year, this isn't a viable option. Also, you would have thought that a £38,000 car would be spot on, or have I missed the point somewhere?

In summary, the sound is very sharp and nasty to the point where you cannot listen to it any longer. If you apply increased base and / or subwoofer settings the whole system simply bangs or vibrates making a very hollow non-rich sound.

I don't understand how Audi have managed to get it so wrong!
OK so I now have my new car (will post pictures etc later). As to the sound system, for reasons I shall explain elsewhere in the last 24 hours I have driven a pre-facelift with RMC and standard sound, a post-facelift with Tech Pack but standard sound and a post-facelift with RMC and standard sound. I appreciate I am not an audio expert but to my untrained ear there was absolutely no difference in the quality of sound when playing the same track from an iPod in the three cars. Regardless of what any dealer is telling you I firmly believe you have a faulty component in your car. Also be aware that the sound settings (bass treble etc) for the radio are independent of those for the Media so you need to adjust them separately

[Richard Judson]

Thanks John,

I appreciate your comments......

I have tried everything to get decent sound quality, even to the extent od down loading from iTunes at a different rate which changed nothing. I am aware that settings are independent between radio / media etc so there is nothing to be had there.

I'm in south Hertfordshire, if you're somewhat local I wouldn't mind a back to back test.

Regards


Richard

[MFGF]

As Robin would say... "Holy thread-resurrection, Batman!".

Having got that out of the way (and yes - it's an old thread), I do have more to add :)

During my recent 2-day test of a Facelift A6 s-Line I noticed how different some of the menus look compared with pre-facelift versions. The Audi look-and-feel fairies must have been very busy telling the IT boffins how they would like the visuals updated. Here's an example - starting in the CAR menu, navigating to CAR SYSTEMS, then back to CAR.

This is the pre-facelift version (it's a video - click on it to view):

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/MFGF1/A6%20C7/th_IMG_4194_zpso6qpm6h4.mp4 (http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/MFGF1/A6%20C7/IMG_4194_zpso6qpm6h4.mp4)

Below is the same sequence in a facelift car (again, a video):

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/MFGF1/A6%20C7/th_IMG_4191_zpslimwk5zg.mp4 (http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/MFGF1/A6%20C7/IMG_4191_zpslimwk5zg.mp4)

I only played with the menus for a very brief moment, but the updates appear to be widespread. In the RADIO screen for example, when listening to a DAB station, the pre-facelift just shows the station name, whereas in the facelift car you get a frame showing you station details:

http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss35/MFGF1/A6%20C7/IMG_4192_zpsq3bvtfba.jpg

Cheers!

MF.

[Q7quattro]

Anyone else like to post pics of the MMI facelift screens , so us pre-facelift owners no what we're missing :(

[KevinA6]

VimeUhOh (https://vimeo.com/145164330)
Here you go.


Kevin

[MFGF]

Nice! Looks very slick in the Facelift! Can't wait!! :)

MF.

[Q7quattro]

Thanks for posting video.

Agreed , very slick ..........

i have the high res screen, google maps etc........so I'm sure my display could handle the new Graphics, if only there was a way to update it

Maybe when the next firmware update for the facelift comes out ......dream on

[A6S]

I think the facelift has some new hardware to drive the satnav to show up on the instrument cluster so it's a little more than a firmware update.

Maybe to add to this thread. The 2016MY sline cars also has alcantara on the door cards and I also noticed on mine has a little tray in the armrest for where you put your phone. My previous fl didn't have that.

[Q7quattro]

I think the facelift has some new hardware to drive the satnav to show up on the instrument cluster so it's a little more than a firmware update.

Maybe to add to this thread. The 2016MY sline cars also has alcantara on the door cards and I also noticed on mine has a little tray in the armrest for where you put your phone. My previous fl didn't have that.


I wasn't referring to the nav being shown on the instrument cluster ,(although that would be cool) I was referring to the new graphics when you set up the central locking , air con , in the CAR menu .

[KevinA6]

As far as I know there is a new more powerful processor in the facelift capable of running the new graphics


Kevin

[Royston Ford]

As far as I know there is a new more powerful processor in the facelift capable of running the new graphics


Kevin

Those graphics are really good, but you must have a tech pack or two? The standard S-Line Nav and MMI doesn't have any of that.

[KevinA6]

I have mmi plus which gives the bigger screen but don't have google maps as I never ticked the connect box ...


Kevin

[Westyfield2]

I wasn't referring to the nav being shown on the instrument cluster ,(although that would be cool) I was referring to the new graphics when you set up the central locking , air con , in the CAR menu .

I would imagine Audi are going to keep it only for the new cars. Same with how Apple release a new software feature but to get it you have to buy the latest iPhone.


Re the instrument display... Is it just displaying the map where you currently get the arrows/compass? Or is it the proper LCD dash like the new TT where it's completely digital and there aren't any physical dials etc?

[wildbore]

It's just a replacement driver information panel in the same shape as the pre-FL unit. TBH, I find the map in the instrument cluster less useful than the arrows and lane information so I keep that displayed instead.

[johnsimcox]

Re the instrument display... Is it just displaying the map where you currently get the arrows/compass? Or is it the proper LCD dash like the new TT where it's completely digital and there aren't any physical dials etc?
That will come with the C8. The new Q7 and A4 both have the new instrument display as an option in addition to the TT

[A6S]

Re the instrument display... Is it just displaying the map where you currently get the arrows/compass? Or is it the proper LCD dash like the new TT where it's completely digital and there aren't any physical dials etc?

Look at page 2 of this thread I stuck a picture there to show what it looks like.

[Westyfield2]

Look at page 2 of this thread I stuck a picture there to show what it looks like.
Thanks.

It's just a replacement driver information panel in the same shape as the pre-FL unit. TBH, I find the map in the instrument cluster less useful than the arrows and lane information so I keep that displayed instead.
Yeah not exactly a massive difference!

That will come with the C8. The new Q7 and A4 both have the new instrument display as an option in addition to the TT
Shame.
The minor FL update is basically just new software. The new fully digital dashboard would have been a great improvement. Not that I'm complaining though... it means I'll be keeping my pre-FL C7 until the C8 arrives!

[wildbore]

The minor FL update is basically just new software. The new fully digital dashboard would have been a great improvement. Not that I'm complaining though... it means I'll be keeping my pre-FL C7 until the C8 arrives!

The FL update included the completely new Nvidia architecture as well as a software update, but not the virtual cockpit. Sadly for us FL owners, even though the new hardware can run MIB2 (the new Infotainment system at the heart of the Q&, TT and A4), the existing system was carried forward with only minor cosmetic tweaks (such as the map-in-display). The only noticeable step forward was support for 4G and also the Audi Phone Box, but even that fell flat as it failed to incorporate QI wireless charging, which they are only just now rolling out (on the A4, I believe).

The glimmer of hope for FL owners is that the idea of the new Nvidia platform is that you can upgrade it to new versions of the MMI system easily. That's the promise - I am not holding my breath on it happening, though.