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Arragonis
29-04-2014, 10:06 PM
At some point in the mid-1980s a group of us, students so time off :p , decided to take a day off in Blackpool - we lived in nearby Preston at the time. As we drove through the outskirts of Blackpool we passed a garage.

On the forecourt was a mid-1970s Ferrari 308/GT4.

For those of you unfamiliar with the naming conventions of 1970s Ferraris this was a mid engined 2+2 coupe with a transverse V8. It was the forerunner to the 308GTB/S the GTS being the "Magnum PI" car which was all the rage at the time. This one however was the Bertone wedge shape - I like it myself - but it is not the Magnum Ferrari and so was of little value.

Anyway one of us with more money than sense decided to take a look. And was offered an immediate 2K discount on the £7K asking price (1984 prices). So he spent his (parents') cash and bought it. Blue. Cream Leather. A sound that would make a petrolhead have a wet dream in under a second.

He was king of the hill, college and the collective female student pants for weeks.

Until it went pop.

And of course it did because it was a Ferrari. You know, like a thoroughbred. A Racehorse. A Champion. That first problem was simple, an ignition issue. Except the parts to fix it would be about £1k - 1984 prices. So of course we bodged it.

And it went pop again, and again and again. And every time we fixed it cheap and sometimes not so cheap.

Eventually it went pop big time - the engine. Apparently something exotic made of special alloy in the bottom of the engine had broken and needed replacing - about £1.5K (1984 prices) plus specialist spannering to fit it - that was parts only.

At this point the Ferrari was sold - not sure if it was fixed or stripped for parts.

Why am I posting this ?

Well I kind of feel that Audi has decided that it's cars (or maybe just some of them) are like Ferraris - highly strung racehorses, thoroughbreds in fact just like Ferraris. Owners of them should expect them to be like this - unreliable, tempramental, expensive to cure.

Why has Audi decided to copy Ferrari with what can only be described as pretty ordinary cars ?

Why Audi as the maker of reasonably sensible big VWs has decided to make stupidly badly designed cars which entail supercar levels of expenditure to even do the basic tasks (such as servicing timing chains) - which pretty much condemns a whole generation to death as it is easier than a repair ?

And why is every spare part a 3 figure sum with only a few where the first number is a 1 ?

And why does an allegedly galvanised german car rust, or have badly aligned panels at 3 years old, or have leaks ?

And finally why does Audi decide that nobody buying one would buy another - well would you, really ?

This cuts both ways though. You see my friend who bought the Ferrari now runs a bank and has enough cash to buy a few play "supercars" - four so far. None of them come from Modena and none will because he has been burned by them once and won't be again. In fact none are Italian, or German. Thats about £2m lost in money.

And as for me I could buy a new S6 tomorrow, but I never will even if I won the lottery. Also no S4 or A1 or A3.

Not my loss.

Theirs.

zollaf
29-04-2014, 10:18 PM
does any car out there drive or look like an audi ? if you want cheap and reliable, buy a kia. they come with a 7 year warranty don't you know. quite boring though.
where else can you find an estate car, one you can lug your big dogs around in, that will out perform a ferrari ? what else can you drive with a name (audi quattro) that makes petrol heads admire you.
if you are worried and don't like audis, don't drive one, simple. me, i would rather push my audi than drive a ford.

Eshrules
30-04-2014, 09:22 AM
if you are worried and don't like audis, don't drive one, simple. me, i would rather push my audi than drive a ford.

first of all - Zol, god love you you're a cool bloke.
second - there's nothing wrong with fords <tongue in cheek smiley goes here>
third - haven't you nicked this saying from the dubbers? IE "I'd rather push my VW than drive a <insert lesser marque here>"?

Fourth - I'm still shocked someone's compared an audi to a ferrari

Sam
30-04-2014, 09:26 AM
If you're a slave to the badge then no one can help you sadly.

If, however, you're in it because you like VAG, thankfully there are alternatives.

SEAT Exeo, VW Phaeton (expect similar bills to the Audi though) and the Skoda Superb. All available with big diesel engines and all wheel drive. A Ferrari for Hyundai Coupé money.

Arragonis
30-04-2014, 01:17 PM
does any car out there drive or look like an audi ? if you want cheap and reliable, buy a kia. they come with a 7 year warranty don't you know. quite boring though.
where else can you find an estate car, one you can lug your big dogs around in, that will out perform a ferrari ? what else can you drive with a name (audi quattro) that makes petrol heads admire you.
if you are worried and don't like audis, don't drive one, simple. me, i would rather push my audi than drive a ford.

All good points but not quite what I was meaning.

My question is why has Audi - a name about performance (of some models) but longevity and good engineering above all - made quite a few poor decisions about how to build cars. Just like Mercedes decided to use cr@ppy steel a few years ago.

The experience in reality (IMHO) doesn't match the Halo image. It spoils the cars - again IMHO.

Another example (and yeah I really am going to mention FIAT here :p). The FIAT Coupe of the 1990s was pretty good. The design was bold and unusual, performance pretty good especially the Turbo, price pretty reasonable too.

Except the engine had 5 cylinders, and only just fitted.

Meaning changing the timing belt (40K miles remember) becomes a 2 day engine out 4 figure engineering job.

OK The Coupe is a little special (even though it is just a FIAT) except they also fitted the engine to the Bravo Hatch which had a value of about 2p after 5 years and so ends up beign scrapped instead of having a simple belt changed.

Maybe its different on your (superb looking old-school) coupe.

On the other hand they do stand behind the bodywork - I got a new tailgate. Why not also stand by the mechanical bits - assuming FSH.

It does put me off though, an XJ is more likely to be my lottery winner special than an S6.

Anyway rant over, spleen ineffectively vented. :biglaugh:

Arragonis
30-04-2014, 01:22 PM
Fourth - I'm still shocked someone's compared an audi to a ferrari

Not the car, just the ownership experience in this case.

Personally I prefer older supercars, especialy the Monteverdi 375 - A car so cool it sits in your living room in a smoking jacket, and so louche it has ******* your cat whilst you've been reading this.

zollaf
30-04-2014, 02:42 PM
first of all - Zol, god love you you're a cool bloke.
second - there's nothing wrong with fords <tongue in cheek smiley goes here>
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whatever marque i used, i was sure to upset someone, so better to be you, who can take it :)

zollaf
30-04-2014, 02:49 PM
i know exactly what you are saying , but most cars are now getting silly and expensively unreliable. jags are great, but when they get to 10, as with all jags from the beginning of time, they rust and fall apart. they are also notoriously complicatedly difficult to fix, as they have always been. parts are also expensive. yes, they are nice motors but lose money quicker than a bad gambler, but are a good car allround.
but when you look at the bigger picture, the millions of audis out there of all shapes sizes and power, a few breakdowns is inevitable.
my old 80 has 325,000 miles on it and is going strong, but they were simpler back then, and thus more reliable.
oh, most electrical components are made in china now, and they fail, so you think cars are bad now, you wait a few more years.
funnily enough i have a customer fiat coupe 20v turbo outside right now, broken down. soon i will get it started , if i can trace which italian wire has broken. then i will mot it and she can have it back. it might look nice, but its a fiat tipo underneath, with 3x the power its puny chassis can handle.