Chipping Audi A6 3.0tdi - can drive train take it?!

[raudiduncan]

Hi Folks,

I have a 3.0tdi auto A6 avant sline with 150k (probably the nicest car in the world all-round!:)). It seems to be going strong and I am toying with getting it chipped for a bit more ummf and mpg. I know these engines are bomb proof and take chipping like duck to water but is the auto box and other drive train at risk - especially with the highish mileage.
Also will I really see a MPG improvement during normal driving (say motorway)?

I would appreciate your views / experiences.
Cheers Duncan

[Guest 2]

To be honest, at that mileage the engine probably won't be interested in a map (as you could be putting additional stress on other worn parts such as the turbo compared to a lower mileage car) but however there are lots of people Norrington21 and bops6 who have theirs remapped without any problems (not that I've read anyway).

Has it been regulary serviced, ie 10k miles? What year is the car?

If you do get it remapped I would get the oil changed every maybe 5-6k just to be safe.

If it were my car, I would leave it as it is to be honest.

Welcome to VWAF.

[Peter D]

Engine code and gearbox number required from the ID label in the spare wheel bay. Regards Peter

[bops6]

I hope it can all take it as mine is having a hybrid, decat and map tweek in 2 weeks :)
If yours has been regularly serviced I reckon your ok and if you have asb engine code I'll have a spare turbo if it pops lol

300bhp/420lbsft
hybrid turbo, decat, water meth, improved intercooling, injectors on their way

[Peter D]

Have checked with your insurance company on the effects of your mods to your premium. You may be in for a shock. Your changes are material facts and should be reported to them. Regards Peter

[bops6]

Of coarse my Remap is allowed for

300bhp/420lbsft
hybrid turbo, decat, water meth, improved intercooling, injectors on their way

[MarkTM]

I declared my remap and my premium went up by £16, but then mines a soft one with circa a 10% hike in power.

As to the age of engine/transmission depends on service history. If it's not been done I'd defo be looking to do a filter/fluid change on the triptronic, they should be done every 80k miles so you'd be coming up to your second one.

Mine was remapped at 85k miles and prior on Extra urban was getting 48-50MPG, after remap same long journeys and same average speed was managing 53-55MPG

But apart from a 4 sec spirited 30-60 full-throttle sport mode blip each day I drive like a saint and don't go faster than 77 on M'ways.

[raudiduncan]

Having read the service book there is no mention of oil and filter change for autogearbox. I dont have a dsg or s tronic, but the oldskool 6 speed auto.
If i am wrong then i think the oil/filter has never been changed!! argh!

FYI all, greenlight insurance is amazing for mod cars, cheapest by far and cheaper than standard insurance (somehow?!)

[Guest 2]

gearbox oil on the tiptronic isn't part of the normal service regime from audi so it won't be there but get it done anyway, you can request them to do it and they will.

[bops6]

gearbox oil on the tiptronic isn't part of the normal service regime from audi so it won't be there but get it done anyway, you can request them to do it and they will.

At what sort of cost though?

[Guest 2]

I remember Jon telling me it's uber expensive at Audi as the trans fluid per litre is dear.

I'll try and find the PM where he told me the expected price but I remember it definitely wasn't cheap.

[MarkTM]

Am going to guesstimate Audi at around £850+VAT, since I had mine done by a ZF specialist for £270+VAT using an aftermarket oil and filter, would have been £330+VAT using OEM Lifeguard 6 and Audi strainer/filter.

[gupsterg]

You wouldn't believe it but this poster paid this @ Audi ...


i had Audi change the gearbox oil it sorted the problem price was £350 all in

Post from Link:- A6 3.0 TDI quattro 04 juddering between 1000 and 2000 rpm - Page 2
(http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?141852-A6-3-0-TDI-quattro-04-juddering-between-1000-and-2000-rpm&p=786259#post786259)

Having read the service book there is no mention of oil and filter change for autogearbox. I dont have a dsg or s tronic, but the oldskool 6 speed auto.
If i am wrong then i think the oil/filter has never been changed!! argh!

Some detailed discussion, links to PDF's/other threads here Link:- ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?141671-ZF-6HP19A-tiptronic-gearbox-%28A6-3-0-TDI-Quattro%29)

[man le-mans]

[QUOTE=raudiduncan;830055]Hi Folks,

I have a 3.0tdi auto A6 avant sline with 150k (probably the nicest car in the world all-round!:)). It seems to be going strong and I am toying with getting it chipped for a bit more ummf and mpg. I know these engines are bomb proof and take chipping like duck to water but is the auto box and other drive train at risk - especially with the highish mileage.
Also will I really see a MPG improvement during normal driving (say motorway)?

That's a lot of miles before a remap

[raudiduncan]

Hi,
So the details are BMK, GSZ HKG...?! hope that covers it.

RE the oil change, i cant help thinking that if Audi say its ok for life then it would be - after all it would be in there interest to add it into the service.

cheers

[Guest 2]

Your engine code is BMK and your trans code is HKG ;)

[raudiduncan]

Yep, responding to Peter D request.... await his reply:)

[royclark]

gearbox oil on the tiptronic isn't part of the normal service regime from audi so it won't be there but get it done anyway, you can request them to do it and they will.

When I had my trans and air con serviced, Stafford Audi wrote it into the service book and stamped it.

[Guest 2]

Thats because your multitronic has a specific interval for a fluid change,36 or 38k with a time limit I'm pretty sure.

[bops6]

Would it be worth changing my gearbox oil if no issues are present at my milage 73k?

[Guest 2]

probably no point if you're not having issues, will be making a point of getting mine changed at the next service @ 92k just purely for mileage sake.

[bops6]

Sounds fair, just thinking the extra grunt it's going to be getting. Maybe prevention is better than cure

[royclark]

Thats because your multitronic has a specific interval for a fluid change,36 or 38k with a time limit I'm pretty sure.

No Chris, what I am saying is, there is no where in the service book to record this being done so they wrote it in & stamped it to record the job had been done.
Multitronic should be done every 35k.

[Guest 2]

No Chris, what I am saying is, there is no where in the service book to record this being done so they wrote it in & stamped it to record the job had been done.

There should be a tick beside "multitronic oil" but least its recorded :)

[royclark]

There should be a tick beside "multitronic oil" but least its recorded :)

Sorry Chris, I'm on about air con.

[Guest 2]

Sorry Chris, I'm on about air con.


When I had my trans and air con serviced, Stafford Audi wrote it into the service book and stamped it.

? ;)

[gupsterg]

Would it be worth changing my gearbox oil if no issues are present at my milage 73k?

If I had your car and spending all that dough on it for mods I'd think the £250 ish I think MarkTM paid at indi gearbox specialist is good value & worth it in the long run :) ..


Sounds fair, just thinking the extra grunt it's going to be getting. Maybe prevention is better than cure

Have a little google around plenty of tiptronic owners get theirs done ...


RE the oil change, i cant help thinking that if Audi say its ok for life then it would be - after all it would be in there interest to add it into the service.

I agree :D but what if they know gearbox will last 100-150k then if go boom customer may buy new car? the TSB info which is in other thread IMO shows improved oils are being created and used over lifetime of product so would changing not be good?

Also ZF who make the transmission do have recommendations of their own ...

[bops6]

If I can get it done for 250 in my local indi its a no brainer, guess I should at least have a laugh and check my main dealer also

[gupsterg]

Iguess I should at least have a laugh and check my main dealer also

This is the picture it paints in my head that SA @ dealers will think when you ask http://yoursmiles.org/bsmile/fun/b0207.gif ...

[Lukenkarl]

I had my A6 2.7 manual re-mapped....only problem is when you boot it the traction control kicks it because of the wheel spin (FWD). The guy who did it said if it was auto box I wouldn't have felt the benefit because it would change gear...but I dunno

[MarkTM]

That's why they have a Sport mode, which when engaged will almost always change down for better oomph, in my tip box it's in 6th at anything over 40mph, so probs when you're going to need it for overtaking

quattro and awesomely grippy tyres mean no wheel spin here...sob...sniff...:Screem:

As to clouds of smoke I've noticed a little more using semi-synth for the rinse phase of my auto-rx...out in 900 miles and the proper quantum stuff going in.