Almost Newbie (Looking for A4 Avant)

[henr!k]

Hi Gents,

I am very actively considering getting a used A4 Avant (09/ 10 plate most likely). I have been looking around for a while now and have a good idea of what I'd like - that basically being a black S-Line.

I understand that standard equipment (that I care about, and please let me know if you think there are more things I should care about) includes: rear parking sensors (acoustic - so no visual distance guidcance), half leather/ half cloth trim on seats, S-line (slightly sportier) front seats, bluetooth phone integration (controlled through the car's system), aux/ SD input for music, stop/ start (in the 2010 models, at least?)

Where I'm struggling a bit is whether I should really care about Sat Nav. 80% of the time I wouldn't use it as I'll know where I'm going (home-work-home and around my local area), and for other occasions I could use my iphone and a sat nav program I have there. My question to you guys is whether Sat Nav integration offers anything in addition? e.g. better display, visual aid for parking, anything else? I haven't really been able to figure this out from any of the sources I have been looking at.

Do you have any other advice/ thoughts you would offer in my quest?

Thanks a lot in advance!

Best,
Henrik

[Guest 2]

Hi Henrik,

Welcome to VWAF ;)

You can see a B8 brochure here which will list all standard kit along with any extras - http://www.audi.co.uk/content/dam/audi/production/PDF/UsedCars/Refresh/A4/A4%20-%20July%2009.pdf

There are two types of nav available, DVD and HDD.

The DVD offers no real benefit but the HDD will allow you to watch dvd videos and a higer res screen.

Your rear sensors can be adapted so you get visual lines on the screen, you will need a tool called VCDS for this and providing the module can support the lines, it will look something like this.

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/iPhone%20Uploads/657292e9.jpg

I've had some nice A4s on loan, all Ice Silver which really suits the shape IMO.

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/Courtesy%20Cars/a4avant/IMG003.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/Courtesy%20Cars/a4avant/IMG005.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/Courtesy%20Cars/a4avant/IMG002.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/Courtesy%20Cars/a4quattro/IMG_0001_zpsff6aea16.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/Courtesy%20Cars/a4quattro/IMG_0008_zpsea851266.jpg

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/Courtesy%20Cars/a4quattro/IMG_0007_zps5552909b.jpg

[henr!k]

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the welcome and thanks for the brochure - very helpful. Strange to see that cruise control is not standard S-Line equipment as almost all S-Line cars on autotrader are listed as having cruise control. Interesting too with potential for adaptation to get visual lines on screen for the parking sensor. Not the biggest thing, I suppose, but one less point for the sat nav upgrade. Flashy as it would be, I also think I can do without DVD support.

Fully agree that car looks great in silver as well BTW, but already have a silver car so looking for a change.

[The Polisher]

09 plate's and 10 plates, parking sensors (rear acoustic only) are options, not standard fit.

[henr!k]

Right you are. That was a very popular add-on then - judging by the number of used cars that have it. Thanks

[Phil K]

We bought a 09 Avant back in January and have been really pleased with it. Much better than our previous B7 for space, quality, ride and (important to me) looks. I think we struck it lucky with our spec (as per my signature) and half the kit on it wasnt even listed in the sales description!

We dont have Nav which would have been nice but not necessary. Instead, we have just bought a new Tomtom GO500 and it does everything we need it for and saves killing the already carp battery on the iphone! However, if you have a charger for your iphone and are happy to use it for nav then it's worth noting google maps navigation puts the audio directions through the cars bluetooth which is a nice touch!

Also, if you're looking for 09/10 plate cars its worht noting the late 09 cars came with LED rear lights and stop/start. Ours is an early 09 and doesnt have either...


http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/dubdemand/f51049cb88d543a5f7ab7652a6c707af.jpg (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/dubdemand/media/f51049cb88d543a5f7ab7652a6c707af.jpg.html)

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/dubdemand/4b2ced700c4066a0fb99a51010734b15.jpg (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/dubdemand/media/4b2ced700c4066a0fb99a51010734b15.jpg.html)

[eob]

Hi Henrik,

Welcome to VWAF ;)

You can see a B8 brochure here which will list all standard kit along with any extras - http://www.audi.co.uk/content/dam/audi/production/PDF/UsedCars/Refresh/A4/A4%20-%20July%2009.pdf

There are two types of nav available, DVD and HDD.

The DVD offers no real benefit but the HDD will allow you to watch dvd videos and a higer res screen.

Your rear sensors can be adapted so you get visual lines on the screen, you will need a tool called VCDS for this and providing the module can support the lines, it will look something like this.

http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz90/57_audi/iPhone%20Uploads/657292e9.jpg



Whoa whoa whoa!
Are you saying that with the help of VCDS, you can enable Parking Plus on cars with factory sensors?
pleasepleaseplease :naughty:

[henr!k]

Phil - Couldn't agree more on looks - very nice looking car you have there. Did make me waver for a few seconds on my decision to go with black. Thanks for the Google maps navigation tip. Haven't tried that before, but may be worth looking into. To be honest have never really used nav on iphone as my current car has nav. So may be that I end going the Tomtom route after all.

[henr!k]

Sooo close over the weekend. Perfect car (Black S Line, 2.0 TDI (170), Sat Nav, Parking Plus, Drive Select, AMI, 6 CD Changer, etc). Call the dealer in the morning to say that I'm coming by, drive a couple of hours from London, have a browse around the car in the lot and then follow the salesman in to go over details in prep of test drive. While we sit there another guy takes the car out for a drive. His first reaction apparently is "no" or "not yet" because we still go ahead and take it out for a drive. But when we come back and I decide that I'll take it, the other guy has just made the same commitment :zx11:

The search continues....

[Phil K]

There will be others mate! Maybe you should go for a faster grey one instead ;)

Black only ever looks dirty unless you have literally just finished drying it off!!!

[henr!k]

Yeah, am sure there will be others. Now at least I know what is possible within budget. And so the waiting game begins. And with time I might even let you convince me to consider grey ;)

Further to the park assist question above - is it possible to retrofit the front park assist as well? And tie into the same visual display that Chris mentioned above? Would like to have both, but not many cars come with the front sensors. So would be great to have an idea whether possible to retrofit and how expensive it's likely to be to get to OEM specs. Would open up some more options.

[Guest 2]

It's possible but its not the easiest of retrofit plus the time and money you'll need to invest for a new bumper with pdc holes, brackets, loom, module sensors, wiring and so on.

[Guest 2]

Whoa whoa whoa!
Are you saying that with the help of VCDS, you can enable Parking Plus on cars with factory sensors?
pleasepleaseplease :naughty:

Missed this but yes! Obviously if you have rears only then they'll show like my A6 :)

[c.grex]

Got any links Chris of how to do this? Is it just a VCDS thing?

[Guest 2]

Just a VCDS thing Chris.

[c.grex]

Just a VCDS thing Chris.

Day off tomorrow, and now a little job to look at....

[Guest 2]

You know you want to - http://www.gendan.co.uk/product_VCHU.html

;)

Needle sweep, chirp on lock, visual pdc lines and the nice fuzzy feeling of helping other members out ;)

[eob]

Missed this but yes! Obviously if you have rears only then they'll show like my A6 :)




Perfect, thanks.
Need to get a loan of my mates cable. If I can track HIM down!

[henr!k]

Mmmm that needle sweep looks v nice as well. If only I had a car

[c.grex]

Just a VCDS thing Chris.

Had a look this morning and can't do it on my car! I presume that VCDS isn't upto date enough for the face lift B8.

I understand that the option is either under Module 76 parking aid or central elect module 9. I don't have mod76 and there is no option under module 9!

[theskyfox]

I may have to get VCDS. Thats a pretty reasonable price. Is it fairly easy to use? I'm no techno-noob, I just don't want to end up bricking my car lol.

-Andrew

[c.grex]

I may have to get VCDS. Thats a pretty reasonable price. Is it fairly easy to use? I'm no techno-noob, I just don't want to end up bricking my car lol.

-Andrew

If your ok a googling, I can usually find any info i need to and once you have done one mod they all seem to follow the same format. I guess most people will think it's a lot of money just for a couple of mods, but it's a very useful tool if used to it's full potential. I am tight and have only borrowed the lead I have!

[kodkod.84]

Considering the cheeky so and so's at Alan Day VW in the city wanted £150 for a diagnostic scan alone for when my car was playing up the cable would have as good as paid for itself!

Instead I let the car die and RAC did their 'diagnostic scan' of looking under the bonnet and replaced the part for £35 :)

[Guest 2]

I may have to get VCDS. Thats a pretty reasonable price. Is it fairly easy to use? I'm no techno-noob, I just don't want to end up bricking my car lol.

-Andrew

Everything is reverible and every change is logged so no chance of messing anything up ;)

[Guest 2]

Had a look this morning and can't do it on my car! I presume that VCDS isn't upto date enough for the face lift B8.

I understand that the option is either under Module 76 parking aid or central elect module 9. I don't have mod76 and there is no option under module 9!

I had coding issues on the facelift A5 I had on loan so yours will be similar to this -

You're right, there is no Parking Module even though this car had factory fit sensors.

Oh btw, if any of you want/need a scan done I'll be travelling to Scotland from Northampton at the start of August and would be happy to help anyone along the way.

Auto-scan showing new updated modules



Thursday,05,July,2012,17:26:10:49196
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.3
Data version: 20120401



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Chassis Type: 8R0
Scan: 01 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 2E 42 44 46 47 52 53 56 62 72 77


VIN: ----- Mileage: 3320km/2062miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
2E-Media Player 3 -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
77-Telephone -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine (J623-CGLC) Labels: 03L-906-018-CGL.clb
Part No SW: 03L 906 018 JG HW: 03L 906 018 JL
Component: R4 2,0L EDC H25 1006
Revision: 45H25---
Coding: 0A194012232401080000
Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018JG 003004
ROD: EV_ECM20TDI01103L906018JG.rod
VCID: 78FB902EC3C86A9

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 0 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels: 8K0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 379 BR HW: 8K0 907 379 BR
Component: ESP8 front H09 0090
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 161D44
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 8A1F5AE62524E89

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-05.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 EB HW: 8K0 907 064 EB
Component: BCM2 2.0 H10 0530
Revision: 00002001
Coding: 03B40000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 74E3A41ED7A00E9

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 959 754 D HW: 8T0 959 754 D
Component: FBSAUDIB8 IDG H60 0072

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 905 852 E HW: 8K0 905 852 E
Component: J764 ELV MLB H39 0046

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels: None
Part No SW: 8K2 820 043 M HW: 8K2 820 043 M
Component: KLIMA 3 ZONEN H04 0033
Revision: D0000000 Serial number: 01190920110898
Coding: 342402C080
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 33616702922E491

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels: 8K0-907-063.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 063 AC HW: 8K0 907 063 AC
Component: BCM1 1.0 H14 0083
Revision: 03014001 Serial number: 00000005171002
Coding: 290000308034A7E00481008000001F1F0F1D82082708020100 0008000000020000000020000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 70EBA80EA3B8329

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T2 955 119 D HW: 8J2 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: WWS 200911 H13 0070
Coding: 00FD11

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 955 559 B HW: 8U0 955 559 B
Component: G397_RLFS H06 0001
Coding: 02005D

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 8K0 941 531 AS HW: 8K0 941 531 AS
Component: E1 - LDS H03 0031

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 658 HW: 4H0 907 658
Component: AQ_Hum_Sensor H02 0002

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels: 8K0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 959 655 N HW: 8K0 959 655 N
Component: AirbagVW-AU10 H44 0610
Serial number: 003KFD80168V
Coding: 30533938363030303030554A305238543053
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010 003010
ROD: EV_AirbaECUVWAUDI010_AU48.rod
VCID: 489B20EEF3A8DA9

Crash sensor for side airbag; driver side:
Serial number: 6334MSME63402302-

Crash sensor for side airbag; passenger side:
Serial number: 6344MSME651430621

Crash sensor for side airbag; rear driver side:
Serial number: 6352QSME675E5248S

Crash sensor for side airbag; rear passenger side:
Serial number: 6362QSME215F314AJ

Crash sensor for front airbag; driver side:
Serial number: 63732SME25364844Z

Crash sensor for front airbag; passenger side:
Serial number: 63832SME742E025A1

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels: 8K0-953-568.clb
Part No SW: 8R0 953 568 Q HW: 8R0 953 568 Q
Component: Lenks.Modul H02 0171
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 20110928001235
Coding: 000016
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 4FA90BF21EC60D1

Component: E221 - MFL H03 0003

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: None
Part No SW: 8T0 920 982 F HW: 8T0 920 982 F
Component: KOMBIINSTR. H23 0639
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: JS535VF9C
Coding: 3305300003012600010000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 408B38CED398E29

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels: 8T0-907-468.clb
Part No SW: 8R0 907 468 A HW: 8R0 907 468 A
Component: GW-BEM 5CAN H10 0025
Revision: 1V040013 Serial number: 1341V118158024
Coding: 00CF07FF00
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3D75413AA46A8F1

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8X0 915 181 HW: 8X0 915 181
Component: J367-BDM H07 0140

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8K0 959 663 HW: 8K0 959 663
Component: J532_DCDCStab H17 0042

No fault code found.

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Address 2E: Media Player 3 (R199) Labels: 8T0-035-785.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 035 785 A HW: 8T0 035 785
Component: SG ext.Player H08 0290
Revision: 00000000
Coding: 020202
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 397D552AB042B31

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels: 8K0-959-793.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 793 G HW: 8T0 959 793 G
Component: TSG FA H09 0302
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 011C02624001450005
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 4D9511FA14CA3F1

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist (J500) Labels: None
Part No SW: 8K0 909 144 D HW: 8K0 909 144 B
Component: RCEPS H36 0505
Revision: 00001000 Serial number: 0028151573
Coding: 100000010001
Shop #: WSC 06324 000 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_RCEPSAU48X 005010
ROD: EV_RCEPSAU48X.rod
VCID: 326F62066534409

No fault code found.


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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels: 8K0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 064 EB HW: 8K0 907 064 EB
Component: BCM2 2.0 H10 0530
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0158003519
Coding: 013B062220B900408020043680000000
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 74E3A41ED7A00E9

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8K0 951 177
Component: DWA-Sensor H02 0040

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501

No fault code found.

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Address 47: Sound System (J525) Labels: None
Part No SW: 8R0 035 223 G HW: 8R0 035 223 E
Component: DSP STD H11 0460
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000001
Coding: 0203010102
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 306B680E6338729

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels: 8K0-959-792.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 792 G HW: 8T0 959 792 G
Component: TSG BF H09 0302
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 011C02224001450005
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 4C931CFEEFD0369

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (----) Labels: 8K0-907-801.clb
Part No SW: 8K0 907 801 J HW: 8K0 907 801 J
Component: EPB-4 H01 0001
Revision: -------- Serial number: 30000000000415
ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkiBrake 001022
ROD: EV_ParkiBrake.rod
VCID: 36675E16895C5C9

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels: None
Part No SW: 8R2 035 195 A HW: 8R2 035 195 A
Component: Symphony3 DAB H04 0440
Revision: 00000004 Serial number: AUZ5Z4K1392273
Coding: 0402008201048D00435B070800
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3463641E97204E9

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8T0 919 603 F HW: 8T0 919 603 F
Component: Display

No fault code found.

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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels: 8K0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 H HW: 8T0 959 795 H
Component: TSG HL H07 0302
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 010C02224001450005
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 50AB088E03F8129

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels: 8K0-959-794.clb
Part No SW: 8T0 959 795 H HW: 8T0 959 795 H
Component: TSG HR H07 0302
Revision: -------- Serial number: --------------
Coding: 010C02224001450005
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 50AB088E03F8129

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
Part No SW: 8T0 862 335 F HW: 8T0 862 335 E
Component: FSE_256x BT H45 0660
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000005431967
Coding: 0010320
Shop #: WSC 06325 000 00000
VCID: 3D75413A646A8F1

No fault code found.

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