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toff

04-01-2013, 02:43 AM

Hello & happy new year!

The brake wear indicator popped-on over Christmas (had to calm the wife down as she assumed it meant we'd instantly have no stopping power! lol). Sure enough the pads all need replacing.

I know the OEM parts will offer the least issues (such as squeal, hum when reversing etc) but the general consensus on VAG forums seems to be that Pagid brake pads offer near-OEM quality at considerably less cost. Can anybody chuck in their tuppence worth please?

One more factor... I have an electronic parking brake, does this have any bearing on which rear pads I get?

Cheers
Toff

PS: Does anybody know what diameter discs the 3.0 TDI Quattro S-Line comes with as standard please? I'm always tempted to change the discs at the same time just to prolong the next all-wheels-off session!

JimC64

04-01-2013, 03:33 AM

I used Pagid pads on my Wife's Passat 1.9 Tdi Highline along with Pagid discs too when I was doing the full set front n back.

We replaced them some time ago and have covered more than a few miles since and been very happy with the stopping power / price etc......They've also been pretty decent in terms of brake dust generated onto the wheels.

Sorry I can't help with the diameter of the discs ( I think there's a couple of options )
As for the discs? Depending on driving style / conditions etc you really should get 2-3 sets of pads to a set of discs, so you'll be changing them unnecessarily possibly. I like to change my discs before they get too far down and probably before recomended but the OEM ones just seem to last n last n last.

I'm sure some of the 3.0 owner members will drop by with their info / knowledge soon.

Good luck

gupsterg

04-01-2013, 12:09 PM

Hi Toff :) ...

I did Pagid discs and pads all around, done about 10k on them no issues, perfect fitting, same performance/dust as Audi Orig. they replaced and no squealing...

Have a google Pagid/Textar/Mintex are the same and make for manufacturers as well... Link:- TMD FRICTION (http://www.tmdfriction.com/)

Even though my callipers have Audi stamp they also had ATE stamped on them... Link:- ATE (http://www.ate.de/generator/www/start/index_ate_en.html)

Some info/links here Link:- replacement brake pads and discs - question? (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?133396-replacement-brake-pads-and-discs-question&p=722376#post722376)

I found this on the net RE Tech data on braking system...

Front brakes

Manufacturer coding (PR No.)

1LT
1LD
1LG
1LH, 1ZL
1LJ

Brake caliper

FN-3 16"
FNR G60 16"
FNR G60 16"
FNR G60 17"
2 FNR 42 AL 18"

Ventilated brake disc
Ø mm
314
321
321
347
385

Brake disc, thickness
mm
25
30
30
30
36

Brake disc, wear limit
mm
23
28
28
28
34

Brake caliper, piston
Ø mm
57
60
60
60
60

Brake pad thickness
mm
19.5
20.24
20.24
20.24
20.43

Brake pad wear limit
mm
3
4
4
4
4

Rear brakes

Manufacturer coding (PR No.)

1KD, 2ED
1KW, 2EE

Brake caliper

C41 (16")
C43 (17")

Brake disc

Ø mm
302
330

Brake disc, thickness
mm
12
22

Brake disc, wear limit
mm
10
20

Brake caliper, piston
Ø mm
41
41

Brake pad thickness
mm
16.90
17.46

Brake pad wear limit
mm
3
3

If you check data sticker in spare wheel well/service record you will get your size/PR code... this online tool will give you good info about some options on car http://prsearch.planetvag.com/ or http://igorweb.org/equidec/

If you go to eurocarparts website you will be able to type your number plate in and get a set of results for pads & discs, you will also find the PR code data on the ECP site to cross ref...

On the A6 quattro the rear pads change is easy... the disc is mare (I did them on my drive ;) )...

You may be better off getting a quote for rears... besides the access restriction you will need VCDS Link:- Audi A6 (4F) Parking Brake - Ross-Tech Wiki (http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Audi_A6_%284F%29_Parking_Brake)

I've seen posts where people slipped the disc past the calliper bracket even though mine were well worn I could not so had do the full Monty strip down! :) ...

IIRC Girling or TRW make the rear system for Audi... Link:- Girling (http://www.girlingauto.com/en/) Link:- TRW Automotive (http://www.trw.com/)

Link:- Servicing rear brakes (all models) (http://elsaweb.spaghetticoder.org/doc/A.en-GB.A00.5A60.02/34023059/3)

Link:- Removing and installing brake pads (http://elsaweb.spaghetticoder.org/doc/A.en-GB.A00.5A60.02/34023060/3)

Once you find/provide the PR code for your front a link can be provided for the relevant info :) ...

c4a5er

04-01-2013, 12:49 PM

Pagid are a supplier of original pads to VW/Audi.

When I replaced the original pads on my VW Touareg the ones removed were clearly marked 'Pagid'.

Crasher

04-01-2013, 01:21 PM

For routine work we nothing but Pagid discs and pads unless the customer specifies genuine or is skint and we have to fit something cheaper than Pagid. My car has Pagid front pads on genuine discs and they have been a bit noisy but work fine.

rafletcher

04-01-2013, 01:25 PM

Re discs, as Gup says the rears are all but impossible without quite a lot of expenditure on special tools because of limites access due to the quattro system. With the tools it's a doddle. The quote from my local VAG indie specialist was only £30 more thanparts from Eurocarparts, so I let them do it all. You'l know if the discs need doing by checking how Jagger-esque the lips around the outer edge are.

As to sizes - they're easy enough to measure with the wheels off.

Eshrules

04-01-2013, 03:26 PM

I had pagid on my polo, they managed to stop that beast(*) every time.

(*) - power output 45bhp/56lb-ft

ChA6dders

04-01-2013, 06:16 PM

Just fitted Pagid yesterday actually and no probs so far fitted nice and easy. for the 2.0TDI gen Audi are £62 a pair you could probably add a bit for the 3.0 pads. I pad £24 for pagid from euro parts inc del.

MFGF

04-01-2013, 06:38 PM

gupsterg

04-01-2013, 06:43 PM

Yep :) ... he even brought flowers for the wife to keep her sweet!

ChA6dders

04-01-2013, 07:31 PM

Was that your car on Gup's drive? :)

Yes but I think I've wrecked Gups reputation with his neighbours due to the fact that we have the identical car apart from engine and interior differences, not noticable to his neighbours as I tore up and down his road :firedevil:banana:

MFGF

04-01-2013, 07:44 PM

Yes but I think I've wrecked Gups reputation with his neighbours due to the fact that we have the identical car apart from engine and interior differences, not noticable to his neighbours as I tore up and down his road :firedevil:banana:

Hilarious!! :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

gupsterg

04-01-2013, 08:03 PM

I think you kept the best for last mate!:beerchug:....
So he's screaming around in my car! and I don't even know the address to forward the speeding ticket :yikes::biglaugh:...

You know when I got back home after that little test drive of yours the director of operations asked "What have you been up!" :bigeyes2:...

I said "Nothing!" ;)...

Guest 2

04-01-2013, 08:07 PM

http://angelforum.bilderschuppen.net/images/smilies/Smiley_OffTopic.gif

:rocketwho

Please keep threads on topic gents please .. Ta

EssexGonzo

04-01-2013, 10:38 PM

Another vote for Pagid all round on mine. Feel and bite is at least as good as new OEM, although it was a long time since the last set. Did discs at the same time and the Indy had no issue with the electric handbrake with the right tool.

toff

11-01-2013, 01:58 PM

Thank you so much for your replies everyone... this has given me the confidence to fit Pagid as opposed to OEM.

I'm pleased to see they get Crasher's blessing too; I know OEM tends to be the trouble-free option but by the sounds of it; Pagid easily matches the Audi OEM specs.

Please could somebody elaborate about the special tool required for cars fitted with the electronic handbrake? I have a wind-back tool for the rears but I presume that's not what people are referring to?

Cheers
Al.

gupsterg

11-01-2013, 02:16 PM

google ssp electromechanical parking brake top of the list grab SSP 346, system same/very similar...

Is wind back tool manual or electronic you have?

rafletcher

11-01-2013, 02:18 PM

And if doing discs at rear...

No, although you do need VCDS to wind back the parking brake. Because of the quattro drive train the lower rear caliper bolt is virtually inaccessible. Audio use a specail pair of "handed" spanner attacments for a particular make of torque wrench. The cost of the torque wernch and spanners attachments is about the same cost as having the pads supplied and fitted by a good independent (mine charges £50/hr), or you can "bodge" (with apologies to Gup!) a job using a socket, 2 universal brives and a ractchet head. You'll probably knacker the UJ's on one caliper so will need two sets. You won't have a clue what the torque is when you've tightened them. If you like a challenge... fine. As I said upthread (probably), I costed the parts from ECP, and my indie wanted £50 more than the cost of the parts to me to supply AND fit, using the correct Audi tools. A no brainer for me. YMMV. I did have discs and pads done though.

toff

11-01-2013, 02:19 PM

I See Gup kindly provided a link to the electronic parking brake removal: Link (http://elsaweb.spaghetticoder.org/doc/A.en-GB.A03.5103.89/28881634/3)

My electronic parking brake makes a horrible squealing noise whenever I engage it. Does anybody have servicing tips to get rid of this noise whilst it's off the car?

Cheers
Al.

PS: The only tool that's mentioned is a VAG torque wrench... is there specialist tool just for removing the EPB?
http://elsaweb.spaghetticoder.org/i/W/W00-0427.png

gupsterg

11-01-2013, 02:25 PM

You won't have a clue what the torque is when you've tightened them. If you like a challenge...

IMO it won't be under... I even had it checked when car was having other work done and was AOK :approve:...

BUT fully agree with Raflectcher not worth the hassle, if you wanna lower cost just buy Pagid and get indi to fit... the drive shaft on quattro is the PITA...

The EPB motors are available on their own IIRC, maybe get them to check rear brake system components and clean... to remove the motors no special tools...

The Genuine tools very £££... have good google there are some US forums where people have wrecked their rear brake setup...

There was very little posts or info on home change of rear discs when I searched@time I did change...
The only two I know is me & sparker if there are others they have not posted, we done it with standard home tools...
Pads is easy, discs PITA on quattro at home...

toff

11-01-2013, 02:47 PM

LOL you guys are quick! Replying before I can even edit my erroneous post! LOL

Thanks for the advice guys!! I'm a bit frightened by the added complication Quattro brings to the party (so glad I found this out now, rather than half way through the job, sat there freezing cold on the driveway, covered in muck and grease!!)

I do love Quattro but it really bumps up the cost of servicing doesn't it!! I am now thinking of using an independent to fit the Pagid kit.. shame because I was looking forward to doing it myself :blackeye:

Do you think and independent would laugh me out of the workshop if I'd already done the fronts discs & pads but wanted them to to the backs?
Al.

gupsterg

11-01-2013, 02:50 PM

No at all mate :)... I think they'll know you know about your car ;) ...

toff

11-01-2013, 03:02 PM

Hmm.. So I might evaluate the whole disc situation... providing they're not too thin, I should probably just change the pads - then I can do the whole job myself.

Gup - did you / sparker break, bend, shear-off or round anything doing the job using domestic tools or did it all go to plan?

Al.

sparker

11-01-2013, 03:12 PM

Hi,
Pagid pads are good, I know they used to be and reading the post the current supplier of some of the pads for Audi. Had them on my UR quattro and where no problem.

Fitting the front and rear pads is as easy as any other car. Really no problem at all if you are used to fitting brake pads but for the rears you do have to wind back the parking brake motors first using VCDS and info on Ross Tech Wiki. When you have done that then follow the normal remove brake calliper from calliper holder, push brake pistons back and refit with new. Also the rear brake discs can be replace without removing the brake calliper holder. After that follow the Ross Tech Wiki info to reset the parking brake.
I did do a little wright up about this after I replaced mine. It is some where in these threads!

gupsterg

11-01-2013, 03:19 PM

Sparker was able to slip his old and new discs past the calliper bracket... PM him he's in my friends list a TOP BLOKE! (EDIT he here now! :) )

I had to go all out as it would not budge past it... to get the right torque you will be really using a lot of strength due to being in the wheel arch and lack of space in there and the drive shaft restricts access to the lower bolt very badly... at a garage they will access from below... Crasher would easily be able to fill you in on method...

Mine were worn quite a bit with scoring and lines... but as a pad moulds around these its not that bad for braking... the problem with thin discs is warping from heat/braking...

Why not assess access for yourself if you want... but really unless your stubborn as a mule like me do the sensible thing and get someone to do it...

sparker

11-01-2013, 03:19 PM

Just found this post I made.

Re: replacement brake pads and discs - question?
Hi

Bit late in answering but have some info that might be interesting to someone.

I use Pagid pads and have been pleased with them. Used these on my UR quattro years ago at the time Pagid supplied audi with pads I believe.

I have just fitted new rear disc's and pads to my car, 3.0tdi allroad 2006. Easy job with Ross tech cable and software, just follow the instruction on Ross tech wiki for the electrical side. Mechanical side is easy, you need to remove star bolt on disc, remove the two 14mm bolts on the calliper, push the brake cylinder back in (electric motors have been wound back) with the brake calliper split and hanging on a buggy cord, the discs come out from behind the brake calliper holder. All back together with new bolts and pads with bit of copper slip on the back, wind the motors back in and calibrate them. Job done.

Any one thinking of doing their Audi brakes might want to do some research on part no. I checked Pagid part no. on euro car parts (http://www.shopzilla.co.uk/rd2?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftracking.searchmarketing.com%2F click.asp%3Faid%3D404548762%26insert_kz%3DIH&mid=104374&catId=13222&atom=11412&prodId=&oid=1540996442&pos=1&bId=18&bidType=2&bAmt=dd6acf5bafc6003d&cobrand=2&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=10&af_creative_id=6&af_id=11444), Google that part number and checked on Pagid site and found that the rear brake pads on my car are the same as VW Golf (http://www.shopzilla.co.uk/rd2?t=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ist-track.com%2FProcessClick.ashx%3FcompanyId%3Db8708c 57-7a02-4cf6-b2c0-dc36b54a327e%26itemId%3Dxxlxqatt%26bid%3Dtzlr&mid=82854&catId=13006&atom=11107&prodId=4383892541&oid=2354582249&pos=1&bId=18&bidType=1&bAmt=70b005e67cee82d9&cobrand=2&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=10&af_creative_id=6&af_id=11444)Mk5 front pads. Guess what? It turns out they are much cheaper than the exact same part for the Allroad.

Make sure you check your optional extra codes on the label in the service book so you are looking at the right pads for your car.

So for me, rear pads £30 discounted euro car parts (http://www.shopzilla.co.uk/rd2?t=http%3A%2F%2Ftracking.searchmarketing.com%2F click.asp%3Faid%3D404548762%26insert_kz%3DIH&mid=104374&catId=13222&atom=11412&prodId=&oid=1540996442&pos=1&bId=18&bidType=2&bAmt=dd6acf5bafc6003d&cobrand=2&rf=af1&af_assettype_id=10&af_creative_id=6&af_id=11444) VW golf front, plus original Audi disc from parts depot on ebay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/) at £54 the pair. All in rear axle pads and discs £84 probably a saving £100 plus?

sparker

11-01-2013, 03:30 PM

Could be different on the Allroad then. Your non Allroad disc which I know are different might not be as easy to remove sorry. I have only replaced the rear disc on my allroad and not standard 2.7 or 3.0 tdi and hadn't thought they could be that different. Sounds like they are!

rafletcher

11-01-2013, 03:39 PM

The 3.0l quattro discs are I think a larger diameter - the largest listed on the ECP site if you use the reg checker. And thicker too - vented all round.

gupsterg

11-01-2013, 03:50 PM

I think S-Line vented, my SE solid... My PR code 1KD... so ref this for size link:- Tech Data - Brakes system (http://elsaweb.spaghetticoder.org/doc/A.en-GB.A00.5A60.02/34022996/3)

Could be different on the Allroad then. Your non Allroad disc which I know are different might not be as easy to remove sorry. I have only replaced the rear disc on my allroad and not standard 2.7 or 3.0 tdi and hadn't thought they could be that different. Sounds like they are!

Piotrek has a 2007 3.0 TDi Allroad his is also 1KD... Link:- The definitive Mirror Tilt / Dipping on Reverse on A6 4F C6 Thread - Page 6 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?133553-The-definitive-Mirror-Tilt-Dipping-on-Reverse-on-A6-4F-C6-Thread&p=724814#post724814)

Crasher

11-01-2013, 10:18 PM

FFS, how many post in one day? I have been at the NEC all day and my legs, head, shoulder and neck hurt (why I have no idea) and I have been looking at car bits, short shirts and bloody long legs all day (Powerflex,>>>>>>>>!),:naughty:, where was I, I thought I posted on this later than it shows.:confused:

To do the rear pads on a car with an EPB you need to tell the ECU to wind back the motors and then with the calipers off, push back the pistons.

gupsterg

11-01-2013, 10:24 PM

To do the rear pads on a car with an EPB you need to tell the ECU to wind back the motors and then with the calipers off, push back the pistons.

This is not what is at discussion now, it is how on a quattro car the drive shaft creates a issue to undo the lower bolt on the brake calliper bracket whilst only using standard tools and on your drive rather than on a lift and say not stripping rear assembly further than how say a dealer would do it...

My method was this Link:- Rear Disc Change (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?93099-Rear-Disc-Change&p=697733#post697733)

Crasher

12-01-2013, 02:55 PM

Ohh I am awfully sorry for straying off the trodden path onto the grass, what is wrong with people on here at the moment. heads so far up their arses...

turpal

12-01-2013, 05:53 PM

I replaced unipart pads by pagid and have to say the braking is half as sharp as unipart pads and pagid is noisy.Never again on my car.

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 06:02 PM

As far as I know Pagid make OE pads for Audi, they're pretty damn good IMO,
I replaced unipart pads by pagid and have to say the braking is half as sharp as unipart pads and pagid is noisy.Never again on my car.

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 06:11 PM

I know not an Audi... my VW Crafter ('12) has original pads and the stamp is Textar... in post 3 I placed a link TMC Frition is parent company of Mintex, Pagid, Textar...

If you google IIRC there are posts of Touareg owners removing original pads and find stamps of above mentioned three companies...

Unless they are making inferior ones for after market they should be the same as OE...

There is also EC ruling stating that discs/pads must meet regs/spec as OE...

turpal

12-01-2013, 06:42 PM

As far as I know Pagid make OE pads for Audi, they're pretty damn good IMO,

ATE is more like a genuine parts but never heard Pagid are.As I said never on my car as they are rubbish in my opinion,customers complain about noise.My passat had a full VW history and pads were unipart.I normally use lucas TWR,proven no noise and good.Ate are good only a little more expensive than pagid.

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 07:06 PM

Rights guys what I/OP wanna know is how do normal garages without say the VAG tools do the lower bolt on the rear brake calliper bracket?

Even if they have lift... to me the access looked a right mare even from below as in guide the tool is designed to slip through a point on the lower wishbone/arm of suspension... sorry if my mech lingo a bit bad :Blush2:...

And any recommendations on home/DIY on your drive with standard tools without taking apart the rear assembly further?

My method was linked in post 3 & post 31... but here is Link:- Rear Disc Change (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?93099-Rear-Disc-Change&p=697733#post697733)

No one replied then and it would be handy to have some tips :Blush:...

The slipping the disc past bracket did not work for me...

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 07:18 PM

At the risk of appearing stupid changing the disks on what, and how come its so awkward?
Rights guys what I really wanna know is how do normal garages without say the VAG tools do the lower bolt on the rear brake calliper bracket?

Even if they have lift... to me the access looked a right mare even from below as in guide the tool is designed to slip through a point on the lower wishbone/arm of suspension... sorry if my mech lingo a bit bad :Blush2:...

And any recommendations on home/DIY on your drive with standard tools without taking apart the rear assembly further?

My method was linked in post 3 & post 31... but here is Link:- Rear Disc Change (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?93099-Rear-Disc-Change&p=697733#post697733)

No one replied then and it would be handy to have some tips :Blush:...

The slipping the idsc past bracket did not work for... I had read that when I did mine on other brand cars...

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 07:30 PM

Audi A6 quattro... rear disc... due to the drive shaft the lower bolt has very restricted access... dealers have tools which are linked in the thread I've just linked again...

They use those to undo the bolt by having car on lift and accessing it through a gap in the lower section of the wishbone/suspension arm...

Here is link showing the rear suspension setup... Link:- Suspension stabilizer shock absorber rear. Fits: 2006 Audi A6 Quattro (http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=752716&ukey_make=1081&ukey_model=15627&modelYear=2006&ukey_driveLine=8053&searchString=rear%20suspension)

Heres the brake setup... Link:- Disc brake brake caliper caliper carrier with pad retaining pin brake disc brake disc (ventilated) rear. Fits: 2006 Audi A6 Quattro (http://www.jimellisaudiparts.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_assembly=753491&ukey_make=1081&ukey_model=15627&modelYear=2006&ukey_driveLine=8053&searchString=rear%20brake)

Item 18 bolts to item 13... ref the suspension image... where they meet on the lower side is the gap through which the tool is used to undo item 10 on the brake image...

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 07:43 PM

Looks like a little piggie of a job, special tool is expensive for the home mechanic. Would a crowsfoot wrench work?

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 07:56 PM

The tools they use are..

Interchangeable head -T40065- Link:- http://vw.snapon.com/SpecialToolsDetail.aspx?itemid=29210003

Interchangeable head -T40066- Link:- http://vw.snapon.com/SpecialToolsDetail.aspx?itemid=29220003

Snapon have also got licensing since I last looked for tool as blurb on site say they own... Link:- Rear Disc Change (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?93099-Rear-Disc-Change&p=745541#post745541)

The tool required is made by Link:- Stahlwille UK (http://www.stahlwille.co.uk/)

Due to licensing laws by Audi not available to buy in the UK their rep told me...

BUT available in the USA Link:- Baum Tools - Tool Listing (http://www.baumtools.com/stage/)

They are designed thinner heads to go through space and sided...

To remove the bottom bolt connection of the brake carrier use interchangeable head -T40065- on the left side and interchangeable head -T40066- on the right side.

Besides the thinness they are angled as well, hence why I needed a certain physical dimension of socket and UJ and certain dimension of extension...
When I mean dimension the width/length of each item used needed to be such so I could fit onto bolt and get angles for UJ to work witn car just sitting on a trolley jack and axle stand... the situation of removal is made harder by also being in the wheel arch trying to get the torque right to undo/redo bolt... 140nm...

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 08:06 PM

LOL is that a yes or no? I bought a set of American crowsfoot wrenches 10 years ago and I've never used them, not sure where they are now, I was planning on using them for on a passat front suspension but I never got round to trying them, I think the hole is 1/2" drive

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 08:21 PM

LOL is that a yes or no?

It was sometime ago I did them :Blush:... it may work with crowsfoot but I think the angle/access may not be right... so I can't answer that http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/Blush2.gif...

My brain has had to learn so much to deal with concerning my car issues & go DIY with them :) ...

And I'm not about to jack up car and remove tyre to see! LOL!

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 08:29 PM

Thanks mate the reason I asked is the crowsfoots cost about £40.00 as I recall and you can put a 1/2" torque on them. Some of my ancestors are Scottish so as you can imagine saving money (whiskey excluded) is important!

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 08:32 PM

If there are no new suggestion then when I have time may have a look again and borrow crowsfoot from my mate... as I don't have them yet! ;) ...

You never know Toff may come up with a solution or another 2.7/3.0 DIY owner :grouphug:...

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 08:34 PM

They're like marital aids mate you'd never use them!:beerchug: or need them...

Doctle Odd

12-01-2013, 08:43 PM

You can see why Crasher throws the odd P1553D code this is way off topic!

gupsterg

12-01-2013, 08:50 PM

You can see why Crasher throws the odd P1553D code this is way off topic!

I'm :confused:... Toff wants to do discs & pads rear... so how off topic?

PS: Does anybody know what diameter discs the 3.0 TDI Quattro S-Line comes with as standard please? I'm always tempted to change the discs at the same time just to prolong the next all-wheels-off session!

Several times in between those posts of OP, I and others said get rear done... not easy DIY...

Crasher

12-01-2013, 11:59 PM

I replaced unipart pads by pagid and have to say the braking is half as sharp as unipart pads and pagid is noisy.Never again on my car.

Give them time to bed, it took mine 6 months, now as sharp as a pin and little dust. Mind you I only do 3K per year so it will take some people only a few weeks.

turpal

13-01-2013, 12:54 AM

Give them time to bed, it took mine 6 months, now as sharp as a pin and little dust. Mind you I only do 3K per year so it will take some people only a few weeks.

They are low dust and last long and might have a better performance with a new disks.

Crasher

13-01-2013, 02:10 AM

turpal

13-01-2013, 03:09 AM

Mine went onto brand new out of the box genuine TPS supplied discs and they did graunch, groan and squeal for a time until they bedded in, fine now though which is more than I can say for the noisy GENUINE TPS supplied rear discs and pads which still groan like a demented Wookiee in reverse. NOTHING in life is perfect!

I suppose.Mine stopped after a while too but customers start complaining and all that.I fitted a front genuine disks+pads on B6 passat from TPS they were fine.Reminds me a set of disks and pads from GSF I fitted to my mk2 golf gti which after 60k miles still had 30% left on pads,can`t remember the make,possibly brembos.Pagid pads on my ex passat done about 40k as a taxi and still good though.As you said nothing is perfect mate.

Crasher

13-01-2013, 06:44 PM

Brembo pads are very good but their discs rust like nothing else on the market except Tarox, I suppose the connection is both being Italian, they never have been able to get to grips with Mr Ferrous Oxide. You should see the bottom of a three year old Maserati, made me shudder!

toff

25-03-2013, 11:47 AM

Howdy!

I finally got round to changing the pads on my A6 (the kids didn't like the sound of the bare metal scraping against bare metal lol)

I can confirm that it is perfectly possible to retract the Electronic Parking Brakes without a computer:
[Warning - this guide involves working with a high current feed from the car's battery - follow at your own risk!]

1. Perform the disassembly of the rear carrier / calliper as normal (support the loose caliper using a toolbox or suspend using a bungee cord etc).

2. Un-clip & disconnect the cable that connects to the calliper actuator motor (wiggle the connector to loosen dirt that's worked its way in).

3. Get two 30cm lengths of wire some wire (I suggest wire rated at 5 amps or more, don't use really thin wire) and bare 1cm from ends of the wires.

4. Crimp some standard auto-electrical spade connectors (http://toolspot-static.co.uk/i/3991z.jpg) onto one end of each wire and slide the spade connectors onto the connection tabs of the actuator motor (you may need to gently spread or compress the spade connector to fit correctly / tightly). Note: make sure the metal parts of the spade connectors aren't touching - space is tight in the motor's connector housing!

5. Connect some standard jump leads to your car's battery in the boot.

6. Connect the negative jump lead to one of the lengths of wire that's connected to the actuator motor (it doesn't matter which one).

7. Carefully watching the piston to ensure it doesn't extend further out: press the positive jump lead against the other wire that's connected to the actuator motor. If you see the piston extending further out, stop immediately and reverse the polarity (swap the negative jump lead to so it connects to the other wire and press the positive jump lead against the remaining wire). Note: the piston won't be retracted when the motor winds back; you have to do that later manually.

8. Once you're sure the motor is winding in the right direction (the piston isn't being pushed further out) keep the jump leads connected until you hear a change in motor noise / hear it struggling. This will take about 10-15 seconds - you must remove the power as soon as you hear the motor sound change to prevent damage.

9. You can then push-back the calliper using a wind-back tool (it doesn't actually need turning or winding, it will push back without rotating). I recommend removing the toothed head of a standard wind-back tool, putting some grease on the top of the shaft end (to reduce friction) and turn the tool as normal to push the calliper back. You could use pump pliers but obviously this isn't the best approach.

10. You can then fit the new pads and re-assemble as normal, repeat on the other rear side of the car. You may see an Electronic Parking Brake warning symbol on the dash but it will go away once you've used the parking brake and turned off the ignition etc. Note: it's normal to hear the parking brake motors running for longer than usual when you first engage them after the work above.

I'm very pleased to report that I haven't got any brake squeal (yet) which I largely attribute to the liberal application of Pagid Cera Tec (http://www.elise-shop.com/images/large/Ceratec_LRG.jpg) to the back and ears of the brake pads - it's also stopped the horrible squealing noise when I apply my Electronic Parking Brake :D PlastiLube is another product that garages (including Audi) use to stop brake squeal.

Toff.

Big.B

05-04-2013, 10:26 PM

Great guide Toff!

My pads are wearing thin as well and the service where my car is now recommended me changing the discs + pads, 200 pounds, as they are not covered by my autoprotect insurance because it's wear and tear.

Can I get away cheaper with the discs+pads? Does anyone know where can I buy them from or cheap labour in Birmingham?
I found Pagid 245mm, 30 quid on ebay, the entire set, but the manager at Halfords told me I need 305mm? I thought the A6 has the same ones like Superb and Passat, which should be 245mm, right?

Crasher

05-04-2013, 11:52 PM

Front, rear, car, engine, year, planet? brakes, cheap, stopping, life and death...

gupsterg

06-04-2013, 08:11 AM

Will try to find new links that I posted in post 3 of this thread... but for now...

1) only needed std hand tools other than torque wrench 200nm plus, did put all new bolts on calliper (cheap frm dealer) as I did not know what heads were like on origs & wanted best for next change due to level of torque on them...

Link:- Front Brake Pads and Discs Change (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?129500-Front-Brake-Pads-and-Discs-Change)

2) As already mentioned rear on quattro is PITA, especially lower bolt on rear caliper, would advise remove wheel check access... but rear discs not an issue IMO on a non-quattro A6...

Link:- Rear Disc Change (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?93099-Rear-Disc-Change&)

If you check data sticker in spare wheel well/service record you will get your size front codes 1LT, 1LG, 1LD, 1ZL, 1LH rear codes 1KD, 2ED if rear vented 1KW, 2EE as when used my number plate on eurocarpart site they list several and without PR code they could not tell...

If you not seen before input all your codes in this online tool will give you good info about some options on car http://prsearch.planetvag.com/ or http://igorweb.org/equidec/

Big.B

06-04-2013, 10:06 PM

I need all of them, A6 C6, 2006, 2.0tdi, Earth, sadly:(
I'm looking for the Pagid ones, but of course everywhere there's a difference in price... halfords wants 120 for front + rear...
Are the ones from ebay genuine?

Crasher

06-04-2013, 11:50 PM

gianton

07-04-2013, 06:00 AM

The smallest 4F front discs are 314-mm which yours should have on the front

Audi A6 C6 (04-12) 2.0 138bhp TDi 314mm Febi Front Brake Discs 4F0615301D | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A6-C6-04-12-2-0-138bhp-TDi-314mm-Febi-Front-Brake-Discs-4F0615301D-/120922887040?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c2790d380)

These pads

Audi A6 C6 (04-12) 2.0 138bhp TDi Saloon Febi Front Brake Pads 4B0698151J | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A6-C6-04-12-2-0-138bhp-TDi-Saloon-Febi-Front-Brake-Pads-4B0698151J-/110890654244?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d1991a24)

These are BETTER than Pagid and we use them all the time, close to genuine VAG in quality.

Looking for a disc/pads set for my car, A6 Allroad 4F 3.0 TDI 233BHP 1LG. Which ones should I go for?

EDIT: I found these sets

ATE Powerdisc + ATE CERAMIC BremsbelÃ¤ge vorne AUDI A6 / A8 321x30mm PR: 1LG | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/ATE-Powerdisc-ATE-CERAMIC-Bremsbelage-vorne-AUDI-A6-A8-321x30mm-PR-1LG-/390465943307?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item5ae995770b#ht_3469wt_909)

ATE Powerdisc + ATE BremsbelÃ¤ge vorne AUDI A6 / A8 321x30mm PR-Code: 1LG | eBay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/ATE-Powerdisc-ATE-Bremsbelage-vorne-AUDI-A6-A8-321x30mm-PR-Code-1LG-/390465943351?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item5ae9957737#ht_3469wt_909)

Anyone have any experience with them?

gupsterg

07-04-2013, 09:44 AM

Just added tech data table to Link:- post 3 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?141085-Pads-need-replacing-would-anybody-recommend-Pagid&p=773473#post773473) of this thread on PR codes / pads & disc sizes ... excludes RS6/Ceramic info...

Link:- Pagid - Best Practice (http://www.pagid.com/images/stories/downloads/pagid_best_practice_en.pdf) Link:- Cera-Tec vs Copper paste (http://www.pagid.com/images/stories/downloads/pagid_technicx_en_050825.pdf)

Doctle Odd

07-04-2013, 10:51 AM

Nice one with the Cera-Tec Gup i guess the days of copper grease are gone. You're a mine of useful information :beerchug:

gupsterg

07-04-2013, 11:09 AM

Cheers Doc :beerchug:... what I lack in mechanical experience :Blush2: I can provide geeky data https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ79wV3Q_KFZDuFp0bA8R4g0_gEMt7QG JinyLujaFvxpyQ2joF4IA...

Now to find "Best practises for a good marriage" :biglaugh:...

Crasher

07-04-2013, 01:19 PM

Looking for a disc/pads set for my car, A6 Allroad 4F 3.0 TDI 233BHP 1LG. Which ones should I go for?

Discs

Audi A6 C6 04-12 3.0 230bhp TDi Quattro 321mm Febi Front Brake Discs 4F0615301E | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A6-C6-04-12-3-0-230bhp-TDi-Quattro-321mm-Febi-Front-Brake-Discs-4F0615301E-/110889076512?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d1810720)

Pads

Audi Allroad C6 (04on) 3.0 230bhp TDi Estate Febi Front Brake Pads 4F0698151D | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-Allroad-C6-04on-3-0-230bhp-TDi-Estate-Febi-Front-Brake-Pads-4F0698151D-/110890654375?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d1991aa7)

i guess the days of copper grease are gone

We use this exclusively in our workshop

Brake Paste Sachets 5.5g | Chemical service products | Würth UK Limited (http://www.wurth.co.uk/technical-chemicals1/chemical-service-products/chemical-brake-products/brake-paste-sachets-5-5g)

gianton

07-04-2013, 02:47 PM

Discs

Audi A6 C6 04-12 3.0 230bhp TDi Quattro 321mm Febi Front Brake Discs 4F0615301E | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A6-C6-04-12-3-0-230bhp-TDi-Quattro-321mm-Febi-Front-Brake-Discs-4F0615301E-/110889076512?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d1810720)

Pads

Audi Allroad C6 (04on) 3.0 230bhp TDi Estate Febi Front Brake Pads 4F0698151D | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-Allroad-C6-04on-3-0-230bhp-TDi-Estate-Febi-Front-Brake-Pads-4F0698151D-/110890654375?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19d1991aa7)

We use this exclusively in our workshop

Brake Paste Sachets 5.5g | Chemical service products | Würth UK Limited (http://www.wurth.co.uk/technical-chemicals1/chemical-service-products/chemical-brake-products/brake-paste-sachets-5-5g)

Thanks for the links, but it looks like they don't ship to Greece. Is the ATE set from the links I posted earlier of the same quality as FEBI?

Crasher

07-04-2013, 08:19 PM

Thanks for the links, but it looks like they don't ship to Greece. Is the ATE set from the links I posted earlier of the same quality as FEBI?

Greece is not a problem, the rate has to be calculated by weight for each order so you need to request a price on shipping.

ATE are the company who may have made your cars calipers in the first place.

toff

03-05-2017, 11:05 AM

Hello Folks...

Over 4 years later and my brake pad wear indicator light has come on... I've been very happy indeed with the Pagids... no hesitation whatsoever in getting another set!
Thanks for the hint on the Wurth paste Carsher :beerchug:

I was thinking about just doing the pads this time... but then i thought... I'd rather spend a bit more and do both disc & pads once every 3-4 years (I'm a slow mechanic!)
Just out of interest - do most people get through 1 or 2 sets of pads before changing discs?

When the wear indicator triggers, how many miles (roughly) do you think you have left? I know it depends on driving style... but is it in the order of hundreds of miles or thousands do you think?
Toff.

S3SteveW

03-05-2017, 11:29 AM

I'm a big fan of the Pagid disks and pads, used on my last few cars.
For me personally I always change disks and pads together.

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Strath44

15-05-2017, 09:55 PM

I've been using Pagid on all my cars for over 5 years and I've just had my first issue!

I have a 12 plate Passat which had TRW as OEM the discs did nearly 90k on the rear and 140k on the front! Pads usually last about 40k ish.
I got Pagid Discs and pads from ECP for the rear last year and the pads have only lasted 11k miles and worn right down to the shim damaging the disc! They were sent away and now refunded as they should have lasted longer, the brake system was tested and all ok and no abnormal loads were carried in that time nor crazy driving!

I have read on another forum that although Pagid is OEM for some car manufacturers, the Pagid products supplied by ECP are not to the same standard and produced specially for ECP.

I have fitted Textar this time to the A6 as I have now lost confidence in Pagid. Now ironically I think textar comes out the same factory as pagid but my understanding is it it produced to a higher spec!

Crasher

15-05-2017, 10:05 PM

I used to be obsessed with Textar but fell into Pagid and I have never had an issue and we fit huge amounts of their parts. I have heard the same disparaging rumours but I have no complaints over the product.

zollaf

16-05-2017, 08:37 AM

i think there are lots of problems with many parts . i used to fit a lot of ferodo stuff. fitted some rear pads to my 80. a few months later had handbrake problems, the pads had rusted and the braking material broken up.. not good, put it down to a one off, then had a customers pugrot with the exact same pads do the exact same thing. ( yes, the french use the same calipers on their modern stuff as audi did 20 years ago). it seems whatever you buy, they try to make it cheaper elsewhere and quality goes out the window. sometimes wonder if its better to just buy the cheapest of the cheap and hope for the best. wait until dayco move production to china. ???

Crasher

16-05-2017, 04:08 PM

Strath44

16-05-2017, 09:56 PM

Ultimately WE (as in the Royal we, AKA UK customers) only have ourselves to blame for the poor standards of replacement parts because we chase the price, not the standard. In the aftermarket trade as a worldwide business, the UK is seen as THE most price obsessed market there is, when I have spoken to reps and manufactures from other countries at trade shows such as Automechnanica, they look at the UK parts market in despair and are of the opinion we only by cheap Chinese ****. That is why it is very difficult (even impossible) in the UK to get hold of aftermarket parts from some very well established German brands such as ATE, Ernst, Hella, Leistriz, FTE, Optimal, Ruville, TRW etc etc as these companies have tried and failed to build a market here and just watched as we buy cheap rubbish.

That sadly makes total sense!

Personally I try and look at it the other way round......as I am in the lucky situation to be able to do a lot the of routine maintainance I always buy the best quality parts (often from the manufacturer) based on research irrevlevant of price as I am saving money on labour.

This is my first Audi and I have been quite surprised how difficult as a newcomer the parts situation was, I have found both local dealerships expensive and unhelpful for parts, Since finding Tps things have been much better as they are very good and helpful.

Crasher

17-05-2017, 03:05 AM

The TPS concept has been a life saver and we have built good friendships with the chaps and chapesses that work there. The VITAL tools for me running a VAG indi workshop and parts shop are VIN lookup to part number (AKA FI suggestion) systems and VAG to aftermarket cross referencing software combined with a handful of local factors who are agents for my preferred products OR even direct accounts if I can get one.

Gazwould

17-05-2017, 07:26 AM