SE or S-Line?

[fat controller]

I've taken a bit of a shine to the B8 A4 Avant, and it seems to be the car that I keep going back to when I am looking at dealers websites. Now, this evening I have looked at a couple, one of which is an S-Line in black (looks the dogs dangly bits, I have to be honest) which has done 96k on an 09-plate; the other is also an 09-plate, an SE, and has done 65k.

Now, whilst the S-Line is clearly more appealing to the eye, is the SE the better of the two?

If the mileage was the same, which one would be the best?

Also, whilst I am posting, I'd appreciate any owners opinions on their B8 Avants (what are they like to live with day to day)?

[Guest 2]

drive an sline as you might not like the firmish ride

[thescouselander]

Personally I prefer the SE as the roads in the UK resemble the surface of the moon these days so the softer suspension works for me. You'd better try each model yourself though as it is very much down to personal preference.

[JimC64]

FC - Chris and others are right.

Do yourself a favour and at least have a drive in an S line and see for yourself.

I have the SE A6 and find it holds the road and handles very well, some may think it can be a bit wallowy if thrown around hard, but do you want to race around everywhere you go?
Its like sitting in the biggest comfiest armchair you can imagine and you can arrive soothed and comfortable at the end of a 400 - 500 miles round trip as I have done many times.

The S line?
I love the looks, as I think everyone will agree, very mean looking stance and more aggressive looking lines. I've had a few A5's and others as courtesy cars and yes, they stick to the road like glue BUT unless you're 20 years old and can take the spine juddering ride, you may live to regret it.

I do admit I have times of envy when I see a really good clean looking example, but its short lived when my memory once again kicks in....lol

I've upgraded from the std 17" alloys with higher profile tyres to the 19" alloys with much lower profile tyres for a better look. The ride hasn't been compromised too much as the SE suspension still eats up the bumps.
I've had to resist the temptation like many others here who have also lowered the car, as i know I'll feel every little bump in the road.

Do your research and above all have a test drive, but for me it'd be the SE all the way assuming they were similar in all respects.

[dts439]

I'd also add that any car still on its original suspension after that many miles will not drive as it was when new anyway. So definitely try each on its own merits. I'd add that our own S line Avant on 19s is the best riding 'sporty' Audi I've driven and it looks great - but I've come from some pretty evil riding previous Audis so I'm probably biased .

[fat controller]

Thanks all :)

I kinda thought there would be a compromise somewhere - the S-Line is a jaw droppingly gorgeous motor (black, alcantara trimmed figure hugging seats, and plenty of toys); however, the mileage put me on my back foot (although it looks to be wearing it well), and the tow bar at the back only made that worse (I've always had an aversion to cars with tow-bars as it screams caravan and knackered clutch to me?), and then the doubts crept in about the ride as well as the cost of those low profile tyres if and when it wants them.

The SE isn't as exciting to look at, no LED DRL's and no sill plates - but, it seems to have just about everything else that I would want - bluetooth, steering wheel controls, dual zone climate, leather upholstery etc; the mileage is sensible, and it seems to be a decent blend of refinement versus power (both at TDI 143);

Can anyone explain the difference between the stereo units that are fitted to these cars - the SE for example has a 'Symphony' whereas others I have looked at have the 'Concert'?

Bearing in mind that I am coming from a Passat SE (not really a lot in the way of 'toys') I doubt that I am going to be disappointed with the spec on any car really.

[EssexGonzo]

Can't comment on the stereo but the S line / SE debate comes down to which you prefer: bling and big wheels or ride quality?

Personally, the latter. S line suspension and ride is still a joke. Mercedes can do top spec without stupidly large alloys and concrete suspension, so why can't Audi?

So......it's all about your personal priorities.

[eob]

I think the difference between the stereos is that one has a built in 6 CD changer.
I only have the Concert with single CD but I use MP3 on an SD anyway.

I have the Sline Black in Black and it looks awesome! It rides really well too but I've got the 143PS 2.0 TDi engine and wish I'd went for the 170. It's a bit underpowered and not very fuel efficient. I came from a 170 VW CC and it was much better in both power delivery and economy.

This is my firs estate and I was worried that stuff in the boot rattling about would carry into the cabin, but it's OK. The boot itself is not much bigger than the saloon in terms of width and depth, but obviously the extra height will make loading easier and for me it's necessary now with the two dogs.

[dts439]

Apart from the bling you do get Xenons as standard, which was important when I was looking. Cars tend to be designed/styled to look best with the largest wheels they offer on that model which is why the 17" or 16" wheels on the B8 do not look right (IMHO), when in fact in real terms they are still large. I guess thats marketing for you.

What I don't know is if there is much difference in the ride between the standard B8 S line suspenion (20mm lower and called Sports Suspension and optional on SE) over the S line only option of "S line sports suspension" which is another 10m lower. Ours is the standard 20mm lower.

[johndeere2130]

The s-lines are "all show and no go"
They do not get "all the toys", they only have bigger wheels,fancier seats, blinged up dlr, skirts, fake difusers, black roof liner
the rest of the spec is the same as an SE
a welled speced SE is the one to go for, as most of the general public that are not on this forum wont know the difference.
that 09 SE that your looking at, sounds more like a 'SE executive' which was only available in 09 that had extra equipement at no extra cost over the standard SE- , symphony radio which has built in 6 disk mp3 changer, hands free bluetooth, voice control, special 17" alloy wheels

I would be looking at the car to have the execective extras plus, rear reverse sensors, light pack as a minium options fitted
lots of early s-lines dont have rear park sensors or the light pack which means, there is no glove box light/door/puddle/footwell lights

Test drive is the only way to find out, i drove several A4s mostly s-line, but bought an SE which had a lot of factory options fitted that none of the s-lines had, very happy with it, 2.0 143TDI

[porty]

I drive an S4 and an A4 SE on a regular basis. The A4 SE is a much easier car to use on a day-to-day basis - nicer suspension, much greater ride height so that I don't catch the front bumper on kerbs when parking etc etc. I'd go for the SE if I were you, particularly in view of the lower mileage.

[DrNorthy]

I have an A4 SE Technik 2012 in white and in the traffic yesterday was a 12 plate s line in white and apart from the lights and the tiny badges I couldn't really see any difference to mine.

[Brycie]

Porty I feel terrible for you having to drive around in that hard riding S4 that's so uncomfirtable, so if it helps, I'm willing to swap my SE A6 for it ;) just to help you out obviously.

[dts439]

This is turning into Beatles versus Rolling Stones ;)

Has anyone got the Drive Select and Damper Control option? I'd hope this would give the best of both worlds from a ride handling perspective.

All B8 S lines start with the SE spec and for the princely sum of £2.5k you get 1" bigger wheels, Xenons, LED rear lights, 3 spoke steering wheel, aluminium trim, sports seats in leather/cloth and the bodykit/badging. I think I preferred it when we had SE and Sport and they were about the same price.

Whatever it looks like Audi are selling almost as many S lines as SEs.

[fat controller]

Thanks all :)

My days of going everywhere as quickly as possible are long gone, and nowadays I value my comfort, not least because I am in the car on a daily basis. I think the reason that Audi are selling nearly as many S-Lines as they are SE's (in fact, there seems to be more S Lines knocking about second hand at the moment than there are SE's) is simply down to the looks of the S-Line - without question they look stunning. And I suppose those looks will have nicked a load of customers that would normally buy BMW 3-Series, which (I've heard) give a harsh ride in most cases due to their run-flats; faced with a choice of a harsh riding, not particularly good looking car with a dated and plasticky interior or one that looks gorgeous, with a similarly hard ride, but also has a more modern and higher quality interior, I know which my choice would be............................... or am I just biased? :1zhelp:

I'm going to contact the dealer today and make further enquiries on both cars as well as others and see how it goes - thankfully, I am in no rush at the moment, so can wait until I get the right car and deal.

One thing I have decided is that I am all but certain that I want a B8 Avant; I had a hankering for an A6 originally, but the A4 seems to tick all my boxes whilst not letting the costs get stupid.

[dts439]

I was tempted by the facelifted C6 Audi A6 (2008 on). Probably better value for money, and a much large load carrying capacity than the B8. But just too big dimensions for me, I have enough trouble parking the B8 !

[fat controller]

I have quite a small driveway (the Passat I have now only just fits with about 18 inches to spare) so the A6 would probably be too big for my drive.

I've just had a chat with the dealer, and booked an appointment on Weds to test drive the SE :approve:

Knowing me, if I don't end up buying it, it will be a miracle.

[fat controller]

Right all - any last minute tips or things (other than the obvious) to look out for tomorrow?

[Brycie]

Obviously test it on cornering so you can see if you find it 'wallowy', even if the salesman does frown at it.

[fat controller]

Thanks - I will :)

I kinda like wallowy cars (I'm built for comfort more than speed nowadays) - as long as they handle reasonably well. I had a couple of Jags before moving to a Merc, and then on to the Passat and the Passat is the tautest ride of the lot (although still perfectly acceptable);

[JimC64]

Hey FC.....I'm sure by now having read many many threads here and with your knowledge to date you'll be
good to go for tomorrow mate :beerchug:

Best ofluck fortomorrow and please keep us in the loop.

Cheers

[fat controller]

Thanks Jim :)

I'm leaving in the next hour or so, and its about an hour and a half to get there - so hopefully by the end of today, I will be posting positive news! :)

[Brycie]

Good luck FC, lol I'm so car-geeky I'm actually a little excited for you. Hope you like it.

[fat controller]

Well.................

I think I need some help please guys................................















Working out how to use the features of my new baby! :arms:


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[Guest 2]

Very nice!

Update us with the spec etc ;)

I see you went for comfort over looks :D

[fat controller]

I did indeed Chris - the difference in feel from the Passat was immediate, not only in ride quality but also the fixtures and fittings; the Audi feels as though it is hewn from granite when compared with the plastics in the Passat, and the ride is far more cosseting. The engine is leagues ahead of the 2.0PD unit - whilst it doesn't have the same sheer 'grunt', it pulls much more consistently and continuously, and is so much more refined its like night and day!

So, spec (I think):

SE (143) with full black leather interior, Symphony audio with phone prep/bluetooth (although it appears that I need some sort of adaptor to get my phone to work?); triple zone climate control, front and rear parking sensors, auto headlights (don't think the wipers are auto, but stand to be corrected), full service history right down to a record of each and every tyre and wiper blade, and since arriving home 66k on the clock. Tyres are not new, but are as near as makes no difference, and are all Goodyear (Turanza?).

I need to get to grips with the MMI/audio system etc, so any hints and tips gratefully recieved.

The only slight downsides are a couple of small scratches (one on the front passenger door, and a chip above the windscreen), but there was a chunk more warranty to compensate for that, and I reckon that Chips Away or similar will sort them out for not too much when I have a few quid (not that noticeable for now anyway); and there appears to be a slight vibration from the rear, only discovered when overtaking, around 80mph - I reckon that its a wheel balance issue, but will have it addressed under the warranty.

I'm a happy camper!

[Guest 2]

I did indeed Chris - the difference in feel from the Passat was immediate, not only in ride quality but also the fixtures and fittings; the Audi feels as though it is hewn from granite when compared with the plastics in the Passat, and the ride is far more cosseting. The engine is leagues ahead of the 2.0PD unit - whilst it doesn't have the same sheer 'grunt', it pulls much more consistently and continuously, and is so much more refined its like night and day!

So, spec (I think):

SE (143) with full black leather interior, Symphony audio with phone prep/bluetooth (although it appears that I need some sort of adaptor to get my phone to work?); triple zone climate control, front and rear parking sensors, auto headlights (don't think the wipers are auto, but stand to be corrected), full service history right down to a record of each and every tyre and wiper blade, and since arriving home 66k on the clock. Tyres are not new, but are as near as makes no difference, and are all Goodyear (Turanza?).

I need to get to grips with the MMI/audio system etc, so any hints and tips gratefully recieved.

The only slight downsides are a couple of small scratches (one on the front passenger door, and a chip above the windscreen), but there was a chunk more warranty to compensate for that, and I reckon that Chips Away or similar will sort them out for not too much when I have a few quid (not that noticeable for now anyway); and there appears to be a slight vibration from the rear, only discovered when overtaking, around 80mph - I reckon that its a wheel balance issue, but will have it addressed under the warranty.

I'm a happy camper!

Welcome to the Audi fold! :grouphug:

You have a CR engine now so none of those PD pitfalls.

Are there contacts inside your central armrest? If you press TEL on the Headunit what does it say?

You usually get Wipers/Lights as a pack so a easy way to tell is to look on the outside of your windscreen and if you see the below you have auto wipers

http://www.glassmagazine.com/files/gmfiles/A4_rain_sensor_out__2.jpg

if you have that and you want to enable the auto wipers - turn on the ignition or start the car - push the wiper stalk right down to its bottom position then place it one click up. Then (you should) have a sensitivity rocker on the top of the wiper stalk as below. Move this to the right and now pour water over the sensor and the wipers should activate

I love seeing a full folder of history - I have kept everything except fuel receipts for my A6 for the past nearly 4 years and will be doing the same with my A3 - it helps to show if you ever sell the car and shows its been cared for.

Check the tyres as a first - as you say, it could be as simple as the wheel being out of balance.

Enjoy the new car and remember to change your sig pic! :D

[fat controller]

Thanks Chris.

Much as I loved the Passat, I do feel that I have dodged a bit of a bullet; it only let me down once when the injector failed, and has been fine ever since - BUT, with the noisy turbo and recently finding all that crud coming out of the inlet manifold, and the ongoing 'kangaroo diesel' thing on a daily basis it had started to feel like I was only playing the waiting game for something to go completely Pete Tong.

I've just nipped out (chucking it with rain now too), and it would appear that I do have that sensor as shown in your image - so its just a case of me needing to learn how to work it.

I need to do an oil change in around 4000 miles, but that shouldn't be overly expensive hopefully - can the indicator be reset without VCDS if I get my usual garage to do it?

I don't think the vibration is anything sinister - mainly as it is only apparent in a fairly small speed range.

EDIT - yes, there are contacts in the central armrest, and it says that the phone may not be connected when I press TEL

[Guest 2]

Good job - you'll be playing and fiddling with buttons for the next few weeks ... as you proably did with your Passat.

Believe it or not, the oil change interval can be reset within the CAR button. But the inspection service (air filter etc) will be needed with vcds.

[Brycie]

Lovely looking motor FC, glad you're pleased with it so far & like Chris said, you'll be discovering things all week (it was about a year before I found the sunglasses holder, not that they fit in it), so you should only get happier with it.

[fat controller]

Thanks guys :) It makes the Passat seem really basic - there is just so much to play with!

Are the adaptors for a phone expensive?

[Guest 2]

Depends on which phone you have, but press the TEL button first and note what it says.

Infact, press TEL then SETUP and see what it allows you to do.

[fat controller]

I have an HTC One X - when I press TEL it says it will let me change the bluetooth PIN, or reset defaults?

[Guest 2]

Press TEL then Setup and post what it says.

[fat controller]

I'll take some pics tomorrow and post them - thanks :)

[JimC64]

Hey FC......congrats buddy, nice looking car, BUT......only 1 pic???

Get her cleaned and get them posted up to show her off......lol

Phone - Are you sure you need the adaptor? It is the best way but you should be able to connect through bluetooth if you have it so the adaptor may not be needed.
If it is the price will be dependent on your phone, best ask the dealer or try ebay even.

Have you tried global open / global close yet to see if thats enabled?
What about chirp on locking?
Needle sweep?

None of the above, you may be able to get some local good guy with Vagcom to enable for you....just a thought.

I know it sounds really boring, but, the best tip I can give you is to read the handbook cover to cover or you'll be fnding little things months / even years from now.....lol


Enjoy mate

[fat controller]

Thanks Jim :)

I re-read the manual again this morning, and I can see no reason (other than me being a bit dim) that I couldn't get the phone to connect via bluetooth, so I will have another shot today when my head is less full of mince!

I've not tried the global open/closing, but think I saw the option for it on the MMI last night?
No needle sweep (not sure if I am bothered or not), and no chirp on locking (again, not sure if I am fussed really) - going home and leaving lights are enabled as I found out when I went out to the car last night and nearly blinded a bloke walking past on the other side of the road :biglaugh:

Oh, and the headlights seem significantly better than the Passat's, which although not as bad as the ones on the Jag X-Type, were still pretty dire.

Now, the book suggests a 60 km/h run in fourth or fifth for 15 mins for the sake of DPF regen - as I do quite a bit of town running, I was thinking of giving it a weekly/fortnightly run down the motorway (a couple of junctions and back up) maybe in fifth - would this be sufficient to keep DPF gremlins at bay. Although I do a fair bit of town running, there is normally at least two or three chunks of 40-50 mph dual carriageway stuff in my daily drive (albeit not constant speed due to having to negotiate roundabouts).

And final question for now (sorry :Blush2:) - the oil level on the MMI shows as fairly close to the bottom, so I take it that I will need to top up sooner rather than later? Is the oil the same as the Passat was (507.00, Castrol Edge 0w 30?) and am I right in thinking that having it in the middle or just above would be the best bet?

[Guest 2]

Thanks Jim :)

I re-read the manual again this morning, and I can see no reason (other than me being a bit dim) that I couldn't get the phone to connect via bluetooth, so I will have another shot today when my head is less full of mince!

I've not tried the global open/closing, but think I saw the option for it on the MMI last night?
No needle sweep (not sure if I am bothered or not), and no chirp on locking (again, not sure if I am fussed really) - going home and leaving lights are enabled as I found out when I went out to the car last night and nearly blinded a bloke walking past on the other side of the road :biglaugh:

Oh, and the headlights seem significantly better than the Passat's, which although not as bad as the ones on the Jag X-Type, were still pretty dire.

Now, the book suggests a 60 km/h run in fourth or fifth for 15 mins for the sake of DPF regen - as I do quite a bit of town running, I was thinking of giving it a weekly/fortnightly run down the motorway (a couple of junctions and back up) maybe in fifth - would this be sufficient to keep DPF gremlins at bay. Although I do a fair bit of town running, there is normally at least two or three chunks of 40-50 mph dual carriageway stuff in my daily drive (albeit not constant speed due to having to negotiate roundabouts).

And final question for now (sorry :Blush2:) - the oil level on the MMI shows as fairly close to the bottom, so I take it that I will need to top up sooner rather than later? Is the oil the same as the Passat was (507.00, Castrol Edge 0w 30?) and am I right in thinking that having it in the middle or just above would be the best bet?

Yep all cars have it enabled by default so hold in your unlock button on your key to roll the windows down and lock for rolling them up.

Needle sweep and bleep on lock can be a abler via vcds then switched on/off in the CAR menu.

Your Passat would've had projection headlights which (IMO) are rubbish with halogen - your a4 is reflector lamps which use the halogen light much better.

Keeping the DPF clear - a run in 4th at 60mph for 25 mins once or twice a week is all it takes to keep the pesky thing clear. Ragging it through the years doesn't help things either.

Top it up yes - it takes 5w30 fully synthetic, I'd be topping it up or just get an oil and filter change before your 4000 miles.

[fat controller]

Thanks Chris :)

I'll get some oil in the next week or soand top it up a wee bit - I like to have some in the boot anyway (old habits die hard); Do these CR engines use oil in a similar fashion to the PD units?

By the way, I've just been out and had a quick play and managed to pair my phone - it was so simple that I feel a complete idiot for not being able to do it yesterday :Blush2: - and in the process of doing so, I discovered that I have footwell lighting front and back! It definitely has that 'feels special' factor, that's for sure.

[Guest 2]

Thanks Chris :)

I'll get some oil in the next week or soand top it up a wee bit - I like to have some in the boot anyway (old habits die hard); Do these CR engines use oil in a similar fashion to the PD units?

By the way, I've just been out and had a quick play and managed to pair my phone - it was so simple that I feel a complete idiot for not being able to do it yesterday :Blush2: - and in the process of doing so, I discovered that I have footwell lighting front and back! It definitely has that 'feels special' factor, that's for sure.

CR's usually don't use any excessive oil - my V6 CR barely uses a drop in 10,000 miles and my PD A3 has moved a smidge on the dipstick - yes the dipstick, you don't have one afaik ;)

Good job on the phone - least you don't need an expensive cradle.

You can adjust the lighting via the CAR menu too - have a play about :)

[fat controller]

Well, I am absolutely smitten :approve:

I had reason to use the phone (both incoming and outgoing calls) and it is an absolute breeze, and the sound quality is great even when at dual carriageway speed.

This evening, I have discovered the puddle lights, and I am just about getting myself settled - although I can't quite get my seat 'just right' yet, which leads me nicely on to today's questions (cheeky sod, aren't I? :Blush2:)

- I have manual seats, and have worked out the up/down lever at the side, the rotary backrest adjustment also at the side, and the fore-aft handle at the front corner; however, in the middle of the front of the seat base, there is a handle/lever of some sort - what does it do, and how do I do it? (tried pulling it up as well as pushing it, and although the handle moves nothing seems to change so I am doing something wrong);

- When I open the boot, the light on the bootlid itself illuminates, but the ones at either side of the compartment don't; is there a setting for these, or is it simply blown bulbs?

- Purely as a matter of interest, does the stereo have a subwoofer hidden somewhere (is that what I can see on top of the dash?)

[Guest 2]

Well, I am absolutely smitten :approve:

I had reason to use the phone (both incoming and outgoing calls) and it is an absolute breeze, and the sound quality is great even when at dual carriageway speed.

My A3 and A6's BT mics are excellent at speed - you can change the volume in vcds if you find someone with it or have it yourself

This evening, I have discovered the puddle lights, and I am just about getting myself settled - although I can't quite get my seat 'just right' yet, which leads me nicely on to today's questions (cheeky sod, aren't I? :Blush2:)

No no, not at all thats what were here for ;)

- I have manual seats, and have worked out the up/down lever at the side, the rotary backrest adjustment also at the side, and the fore-aft handle at the front corner; however, in the middle of the front of the seat base, there is a handle/lever of some sort - what does it do, and how do I do it? (tried pulling it up as well as pushing it, and although the handle moves nothing seems to change so I am doing something wrong);

Thats to bring the front of the seat forward to extend under your legs - pull the handle and pull it towards the front of the car

- When I open the boot, the light on the bootlid itself illuminates, but the ones at either side of the compartment don't; is there a setting for these, or is it simply blown bulbs?

Maybe just blown bulbs - pennies from an Audi dealer or your local motor factors, or even ebay

- Purely as a matter of interest, does the stereo have a subwoofer hidden somewhere (is that what I can see on top of the dash?)

In your boot there may be a removeable panel either side at the boot opening and these should open with a handle if they're there.



See above, any more pictures? :D

[fat controller]

Thanks Chris :)

Sadly no more pics just yet, been a hell of a day at work and dark by the time I got home - will endeavour to sort something by Sunday latest. :) My seats don't seem to have the bit that pushes out for leg support though? Here is a photo shamelessly nicked from the dealer website before I bought the car:

Is there a tilt/angle thing on these seats?

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I was in the panels in the boot earlier - I found what I thought to be the power amp on the left side, but no sign of a sub (although I didn't have a really good dig); I have a sneaky feeling it must have something of the sort, as the sound quality is nothing short of fantastic.

[Guest 2]

Yes it could well be the angle. If I saw the location of the handle it would be easier to tell.

It may have an electronic subwoofer - press RADIO then look for an inner option called SOUND - its the bottom right inner key around the central dial thing and you can adjust it from there.

Yep thats the amp, so you should have the electronic subwoofer too.

[fat controller]

I'll get a photo in daylight as soon as I can, and post a picture of the handle. Thanks for your patience, its greatly appreciated :)

One final thing too - the gearchange seems somewhat stiff (second was a bit of a sod this morning, but I reckon that my seat at that point was well and truly in the wrong position; the whole car feels a lot more solid/stiff/taut than the Passat did (so much so that it is hard to believe that the two companies are related) - am I right in thinking that this stiffness is completely normal and it is just me rather than something I need to watch?

[Guest 2]

Totally normal - my a3 is a strong and tough gearchange and the manual a4 loan car (170 tdi) i had also was hard to change gear especially in 2nd as you say

the pedals are ofset in the a4 so it may take you a while to get it correct.

No problemo - thats why you're on here, to ask questions and bits about your car ;)

[fat controller]

Right, I went out and got on my knees outside the car to have a look at the handles, and it turns out that they open a small cubby (probably big enough for a purse or a wallet), so there is no tilt on mine.

I think I made the mistake of having the seat too far forward to begin with, so I was all 'knees' - sorted that by going backwards and bringing the wheel toward me; I think its just backrest angle now (I have always tended to sit a little more reclined than the majority due to my back problems, yet in the A4 that doesn't seem to be working for me as I am ending up with achey shoulders. I'll get there - it took me a couple of weeks to get comfy in the Passat when I first got it.

Oh, and I think I may have spotted the reason for the vibration - I would have sworn that I saw Goodyear rubber all round, however it appears that I only have three Goodyears, and one Bridgestone; Worse still, the two Goodyears on the nearside are EfficientGrip, the one on the offside is a Turanza, with the Bridgestone at the back. Should have paid more attention there! I'll need to work out whether it is best to get two EfficientGrips, or one of the others and have a swap around of wheels as I don't think swapping the wheels around at they are will help any.

[eob]

the pedals are ofset in the a4 so it may take you a while to get it correct.



Once you find your perfect seating position, you won't notice the offset. :o

[Guest 2]

Once you find your perfect seating position, you won't notice the offset. :o

whoops thats right ;)

[eob]

I think I made the mistake of having the seat too far forward to begin with, so I was all 'knees'

I know what you mean, being 6'2" its hard to get it "just right" for me. But the Black Edition has the flat bottomed steering wheel which means that for the fist time, I can drive at the right distance from the wheel and get my knees under it. :approve:

[fat controller]

I'm now wondering if I have the seat too low as well - an adjustment I forgot to try. I'm not as bad to day with the offset as I was yesterday (not catching my foot on the foot rest to the left of the clutch just as much); thing is, I haven't even owned the car 48 hours yet, so its bound to feel a bit odd in places.

[fat controller]

Seat is much better today - think I have just about got it where I want it; all I need to do now is try to get the Cheshire Cat look off my face when I am driving it - it is so smooth, serene and quiet compared to the Passat I am used to, I find myself just gliding along and then catch myself smiling. No wonder people think Audi drivers are a bit smug - its just that the cars are making us smile!

Now, it wouldn't be like me if I didn't have some questions, so here goes!

Would these (http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHITE-Super-Bright-Festoon-Fitment/dp/B004N0CU6A/ref=sr_1_2?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1350669355&sr=1-2) be suitable to replace the festoon bulbs in the boot (I know there is one on each side of the boot, and can see one in the door itself, is that right?); Are these the same bulbs that are fitted to the puddle lights also, and would it be worth replacing them with LED at some point?

The auto wipers are confusing me too - I've left the stalk in the auto position, yet today when I got in the car to drive off the screen was covered in water, yet the wipers didn't activate; I got them into action by blipping the stalk forward as if to wash the screen, and then they stayed on thereafter (working as though they were intermittent, unless I moved the sensitivity control fully to the right which brought them on fully). Am I doing something wrong with them?

[Guest 2]

Questions? Which questions? :D

Yes they are replaceable with LED's - I can give you a contact of mine who supplies high quality LED bulbs and I can provide his info if you want :) - I recently fitted the interior kit into my A3 - 2009 A3 Footwell Lighting Retrofit .... Complete! (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?138160-2009-A3-Footwell-Lighting-Retrofit-Complete)!

Thats how they work - to get it to clear the screen after starting I move the sensitivity control to the left and then back to the right and they're good from there onwards.

Glad you're enjoying it - has your face been like :approve::approve::approve::approve: all day? :D

[fat controller]

:biglaugh: Thanks again Chris :)

I got bored, so went out and climbed in the boot (literally) complete with butter knife in hand and popped the lights out - turns out that there is nothing wrong with them, other than the fact that they were disconnected. Apparently, the last owner/keeper didn't want the boot illuminated for whatever reason :confused: - the mind boggles? Anyway, I hooked a finger in the holes and plugged them both in and they are working fine now :)

I'd be grateful for the details of your supplier though, as it would be nice to switch them over with LED's at some point - and I think that they will be fairly plentiful as the bulbs are the standard 501's. Looking at the colour of the footwell lights (both front and back) it looks as though someone has already done them as they have a much whiter light than you would expect.

Ah, so I was doing it wrong by blipping the wash thing then - I'll try and remember to move the sensitivity thing next time its raining then, cheers :beerchug:

I've not been out in it all that much today, but when I have I have been like as happy as the proverbial pig :approve: - I took a friend out in it this afternoon (first time he has seen it), and he loved it - we might even have another addition to the fold before long!

[fat controller]

Hmmmmmm.............. Not sure if its me, as it isn't dramatic, but I am beginning to wonder if I am going to be having her looked at under warranty; I am getting a bit of a judder from the clutch/transmission when the car is cold. Could this be early signs of a DMF issue (particularly when coupled with the vibration at 80)?

Oh, and I am still delighted :approve:

[Guest 2]

No problemo - I'll send over the details this afternoon. I'm really pleased with the results on my A3 so recommended to anybody looking to change.

Any worries at least get it checked, it wont do any harm. My A3 judders the odd time in 1st but it's been checked by Audi and deemed OK so I take their word and its just a characteristic of the car.

[SunnyBard]

I went out and got on my knees outside the car to have a look at the handles, and it turns out that they open a small cubby (probably big enough for a purse or a wallet

Ahhh ... the storage pack, don't know what else that gets you? pockets on the back of the seats, and a lock on the glove box?

[Guest 2]

Ahhh ... the storage pack, don't know what else that gets you? pockets on the back of the seats, and a lock on the glove box?

My a3 has the trays below the front seats but the rest of the storage pack is missing ie the storage nets and the lockable glovebox! :confused:

[ScottyUK]

The storage pack also includes drink holders in the rear arm rest. I ordered it and find everything useful (due to having a young family) apart from the glovebox lock. I don't get why that's put in the storage pack.

[fat controller]

No problemo - I'll send over the details this afternoon. I'm really pleased with the results on my A3 so recommended to anybody looking to change.

Any worries at least get it checked, it wont do any harm. My A3 judders the odd time in 1st but it's been checked by Audi and deemed OK so I take their word and its just a characteristic of the car.

Thanks Chris - you're a diamond! :) :beerchug:

The judder isn't dramatic in the least, and to be fair it seemed worse yesterday because I was looking for it; it could just be that I am not giving it enough beans when pulling away yet (engine is so quiet in comparison to the Passat, I can't hear it!); its nice to be able to start in the morning, and drive off with very little diesel clatter, and no 'police siren' noise in the background.


Ahhh ... the storage pack, don't know what else that gets you? pockets on the back of the seats, and a lock on the glove box?

That seems like the one - I've got all three.

[Guest 2]

Thanks Chris - you're a diamond! :) :beerchug:

The judder isn't dramatic in the least, and to be fair it seemed worse yesterday because I was looking for it; it could just be that I am not giving it enough beans when pulling away yet (engine is so quiet in comparison to the Passat, I can't hear it!); its nice to be able to start in the morning, and drive off with very little diesel clatter, and no 'police siren' noise in the background.

You just need to get use to the clutch in the new car - with lower miles and a newer car it's bound to feel quite different.

That's the benefit of having a Common Rail engine - very little noise and it benefits of being more reliable than the old PD it replaced.

[fat controller]

True. I've almost halved the mileage on the clock; and this is probably the lowest mileage second hand car I have ever had.

I'm kinda hoping that an A4 with 66k on the clock is only just more than run in, compared with the VW which felt like it was 80% of the way through its life at 100k

[fat controller]

Time for todays silly question - while Mrs C was at physio earlier, I was parked up (bored) so got to farting about with the MMI, which brings me to two questions:

- I notice in the menu that there is a setting for 'Auxiliary heater' which is currently set to Auto; what exactly does this do, and when does it do it?
- The voice control for the bluetooth doesn't seem to recognise the phonebook; the phonebook displays fine on the dash display, and I can scroll through and place a call without issue, however when I try to use the voice control, it doesn't work. If I say 'phonebook', Mrs Woman comes back and tells me that the phonebook is empty; can anyone help?

[Guest 2]

Time for todays silly question - while Mrs C was at physio earlier, I was parked up (bored) so got to farting about with the MMI, which brings me to two questions:

- I notice in the menu that there is a setting for 'Auxiliary heater' which is currently set to Auto; what exactly does this do, and when does it do it?
- The voice control for the bluetooth doesn't seem to recognise the phonebook; the phonebook displays fine on the dash display, and I can scroll through and place a call without issue, however when I try to use the voice control, it doesn't work. If I say 'phonebook', Mrs Woman comes back and tells me that the phonebook is empty; can anyone help?

Can't comment on the aux Hester as I've never had expeirence of one but you should have an external key fob with heating buttons on it - that's from guessing and seen it on a B6 passat but haven't fitted it.

If you press the Speak button and say Help she will say what is available.

The voice phone book and the proper phone book are different things - from memory if you say store name she will ask for the voice name and number hen this is stored in the memory. Now if you say Phonebook you can recall the voice tag you recorded and stored.

Bit of a farce but I prefer using the MODE button on the steering wheel and scrolling through the names as 99% of the time it's quicker using the MODE.

I'm going out in 10 minutes so I will just confirm everything by doing it myself as I don't use it at all.

[fat controller]

Thanks Chris :)

I think I have given myself the wrong end of the stick with the aux heater - it appears that it is a supplementary heater which is fitted to diesels to warm the cabin until the engine is up to heat - still a nice touch though. :)

[Guest 2]

Thanks Chris :)

I think I have given myself the wrong end of the stick with the aux heater - it appears that it is a supplementary heater which is fitted to diesels to warm the cabin until the engine is up to heat - still a nice touch though. :)

Ah I was thinking of the remote control heater which heats the coolant so the heater is warm before you get to the car.

[fat controller]

That was what I thought too initially. I've just been out and had a play with the phone - got it sussed now!

For the benefit of anyone searching in future, you press 'Mode' on the steering wheel, select 'Phonebook' then scroll down the list in the DIS until you reach a name that you want to store a voice tag for; you then press the 'Voice' button on the right hand side of the steering wheel, the system will then beep; say 'Store' and she will ask you for the name - say the name, and then she will ask you to repeat the name; then, she will say "the name {plays your voice tag} has been stored

To dial a number, press the 'Voice' button, say 'Select Name' and Mrs Woman will ask for a name, then say 'Dial' - - and that is it! She even understands Scottish, bless her.

[Crazyfool]

The first time I saw the A4 when it was launched the guy at Audi advised me to go for the SE because it looked sporty with its sharp edges; but when the S-Line came out, for me it clearly didn't. On that basis it had to be the S-Line for me. My previous A4 was the sport and at the time my father had the SE version. The SE was a comfortable drive, but didn't feel as good on the corners. My S-Line feels really confident, it looks nice with the lowered suspension and sports equipment inside and out, and I love the additional chrome parts.

I bought it second hand and when searching for cars made sure it had what I wanted. So it's got parking sensors, Bluetooth telephone and the added bonus of being the 2010 model which has the LED rear lights, further distinguishing it from the SE.

I'm also in my late 30's and don't suffer from back problems even when I drive through the shocking roads of Buckinghamshire to visit my client. Yes you can feel the bumps, but I don't really notice it that much because the car is actually very comfortable, especially with be electronic lumbar system.

The suspension to me is suited to the car and engine.

Yours does look nice though! Liking the wheels.

[MRA4B8]

S line defo looks better but I am finding the drive on mine quite harsh. Even on certain stretches of the motorways which are relatively smooth it's not too comfortable. Guess I will get used to it

[Audi Nick]

SE or S Line?

Neither, go for the Allroad, you get by far the best ride.

IMHO of course.

[ScottyUK]

IMHO S-line for the best look and Dynamic suspension for the best ride for every situation :)

Not a biased post at all! ;)

[fat controller]

Finally managed to get a couple of snaps whilst I had her out of the driveway (driveway needed pressure washing) this morning; there is a few stray polish marks on some of the trim that I will need to work on, but its not likely to happen this side of next spring now.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x7/fatcontroller_2007/IMAG01532.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x7/fatcontroller_2007/IMAG01522.jpg

[dts439]

IMHO S-line for the best look and Dynamic suspension for the best ride for every situation ;)

Scotty, can you explain what options you have in your car (Drive Select, Damper Control ?...) and how it all works in practice ?

[DrNorthy]

Is the granada yours also?

[Guest 2]

Finally managed to get a couple of snaps whilst I had her out of the driveway (driveway needed pressure washing) this morning; there is a few stray polish marks on some of the trim that I will need to work on, but its not likely to happen this side of next spring now.

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x7/fatcontroller_2007/IMAG01532.jpg

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x7/fatcontroller_2007/IMAG01522.jpg

Looks good!

To get the polish marks off an eraser does the job - just get your pencil out and get rubbing the plastic bits of trim.

[fat controller]

Is the granada yours also?

No, its appeared in the street only this week - really nice condition it is too. I had a white Scorpio about twelve years ago, so seeing that one brings back memories. :)

[fat controller]

Looks good!

To get the polish marks off an eraser does the job - just get your pencil out and get rubbing the plastic bits of trim.

Thanks for the tip - I must confess, I usually head for the Auto Balm which is a superb wax that for some reason works well on plastic trim and also gets shot of prior polish marks. However, it is pretty hard work to apply, so your suggestion definitely appeals.

[royster]

Sorry i'm a few months late in responding to this thread and glad you like your new motor FC! But thought I'd share my experiences in changing motors. Got rid of my 2006 B7 A4 Avant SE 1.9TDI with 125k on the clock in 6hrs (cash in back pocket) after advertising it online. My diligence paid off keeping every invoice for everything done to it as showed it was a well looked after motor. I decided to go for a B8 Avant this time round, but what I learned whilst looking was to keep more of an eye on the optional extras as well in cars your looking at. I really wanted another SE, but have ended up with a MY10 2.0TDi 143 S-Line Avant (the previous owner ticked 'I'll have everything' in the optional extras section when ordering it so was too good to not have it) its done 35k so the ride is firmer but not much different to my old B7. One thing that I did notice between the B7 & B8 is that the standard seats in the B8 SE are not as comfy as the B7 SE. Anyone else noticed that? I found I was rolling all over the place in them and the lack of lumbar support would keep an osteopath in work for months. Never had any trouble with the B7s :)

[fat controller]

I haven't driven a B7, so can't compare, however I find the seats in my B8 SE an improvement over the seats that were in my B6 Passat. If Audi fitted Volvo seats, then that would be pretty much the ultimate car really :approve:

I still look a S-Line cars and wonder if I should have gone for one, if only for the headlights! But then I drive mine on some of the roads around here and am glad that I don't have anything firmer; on the motorway it simply glides along, especially when the road surface is decent.

[qasimhussain]

Hey, lovely b8. You could however always upgrade your car yourself to the spec of an s-line or black edition car. the benefit of this would be that you will have great sline/ black edition looks but you will have the great soft suspension of the se models, when i upgrade i might actually get a colour coded A4 allroad and then make similar changes, plus an rs4 grill and it would look amazing esp if it sits on black edition wheels

The things you would require to change

Audi A4 B8 DRL LED headlights around £500- £600
Audi A4 S4 B8 Xenon Headlights DRL Complete Pair | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audi-A4-S4-B8-Xenon-Headlights-DRL-Complete-Pair-/251428032666)

Audi A4 B8 LED taillights (these are not a must but do look great) these are around £500
Audi A4 B8 led taillight | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2053587.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.XA udi+A4+B8+led+taillight&_nkw=Audi+A4+B8+led+taillight&_sacat=0&_from=R40)

S-line (diffuser this one makes a big difference and isnt too much) around £40 - £150 just search them on google they come up quite often

Chrome exhaust covers (another small but big thing) very cheap, a few pounds
2x Stainless Steel Chrome Exhaust Muffler Tip Pipes for 09-12 Audi A4 A4L Q5 B8 | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-Stainless-Steel-Chrome-Exhaust-Muffler-Tip-Pipes-for-09-12-Audi-A4-A4L-Q5-B8-/261379776206?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cdb72dece)

and obviously the most expensive part the wheels, 18" onwards really they can be over £1000 but ive found some standard 18" s line wheels for £350
Genuine Audi A4 B8 S Line 18" Alloy Wheel 8.0Jx18H2 ET47 | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Audi-A4-B8-S-Line-18-Alloy-Wheel-8-0Jx18H2-ET47-/151215480737?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_ Car_Wheels_ET&hash=item2335251fa1)

and finally something thats least needed but if you want there you are... chrome foglight covers
AUDI A4 B8 SALOON 2007-2012 FOG LIGHT COVER & 2 FOG LIGHTS WITH BULBS | eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-A4-B8-SALOON-2007-2012-FOG-LIGHT-COVER-2-FOG-LIGHTS-WITH-BULBS-/150938120554?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AAudi%7CModel%3AA4&hash=item23249cf16a)

[chrisland]

I've got an s line and the ride is good , my friends got an se that I also drive sometimes , and it takes the bumps a lot better
but it's abit soft ,
there are some road in my area with some smallish speed bumps and in the se I can go over them a lot faster than my s line
if I tried going over them the same speed as I do in my mates se them I'd get a big jolt as it's a lot firmer
but take away the speed bumps and the s line is great , it also looks better ( I think )
chris

[markp306]

SE offers a far superior ride. I have an S-line now and, while it looks the part, the ride is inferior.