clutch slip maybe???

[geoff eeles]

Hi all. I have noticed that if i am driving on the motorway at 70-75 mph and the revs are at 2000 rpm, when i press the throttle, the turbo kicks in and it goes like <removed> off a stick, however, after the revs reach about 2500-2900, the revs drop but car is still accelerating. is the clutch worn? I only experience this doing these speeds, when i a climbing up a steep hill, high revs slowish speed but high torque, the clutch does not slip at all.

[adamss24]

Doesn't sound like clutch slip to me ! When the clutch slips the rev counter increases and the speed does not !

[Crasher]

Yes, wrong way around for clutch slip.

[mikeybutch]

There must be something wrong with the rev counter not the clutch

[geoff eeles]

if theres nothing wrong with clutch that great news. would the faulty rev counter show up on VDSC !!! scan diagnostic???

[mikeybutch]

Assume so if its electrical fault

[geoff eeles]

I have taken some video of this. the problem is that when i put my footdown (most gears above 3-4th) the car accelerates and revs go up rapidly then go to normal. Its when the turbo kicks in. I think the clutch is going!!!

I cannot upload the video on this forum!!!

[mikeybutch]

If you think so then you can check by trying to pull away in 2nd with the h/brake on uphill if poss .If the clutch is good it will stall instantly if the revs just die away the clutch is slipping.Dont do it too often cos it will make things worse and may burn the linings

[phil miller]

Seen the Vid and im sure the clutch is slipping, could be a weak pressure plate or maybe oil contamation but lets put it this way the sound of the engine its not a rev counter fault, Geoff will text you the prices tomorrow at some point mate

[geoff eeles]

Thanks guys.will try the hill start and wait for prices.typical,tax,insutance and new clutch all due at same time

[geoff eeles]

tried the starting off in 2nd gear with hand brake on, and it stalled. i was taking it easy as was scared i might do damage. ultimately i am thinking its a new clutch. There is a DMF and clutch kit from an ebay seller, Sachs for £335 with the release bearing. the one from GSF was £480 for a Sachs. Why does the price vary so so much for was is the same thing? am i missing something complettely???

[Crasher]

Can you post the fleaBay link, I don't see how he can do that in Sachs as it is below cost price for a Sachs agent if it includes VAT! It is quite a lot more than even the cost from GSF for a garage on their special discount level for big customers.

[geoff eeles]

Crasher, the link is to a separate website, not to an ebay product. here is the link

http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/sachs-1-9-tdi-6-speed-02m-dual-mass-flywheel-and-clutch-kit.html

Is it too good to be true?

[geoff eeles]

the price on the website does not include VAT (but it doesn't say that on the page until you go to final checkout) Grrrrr

[geoff eeles]

i have read a few past threads on DMF and a solid flywheel. the solid flywheel is cheaper, but what are the differences between the DMF and Solid? Price is lower, what about the mechanical aspects? which lasts longer? which is better on performace? also the difference between the Sachs and LUK? the LUK from GSF is about £80 more than the Sachs one i have found? also found some 'cheap' makes of DMF's on fleabay, but i am guessing they are cheap for a reason.

[phil miller]

i have read a few past threads on DMF and a solid flywheel. the solid flywheel is cheaper, but what are the differences between the DMF and Solid? Price is lower, what about the mechanical aspects? which lasts longer? which is better on performace? etc

Hi mate, i did mean to text you back but having phone/signal issues mate, now i spoke with Crasher about SMF and its a no no tbh, the box has been designed around the DMF as has the aux belt run and free wheel Alt pulley, i wont take the risk on my mk5 tbh

having said that on tuesday i had to do a clutch on a 53 plate peugeot 307 HDI ordered DMF and Clutch from the dealer, it cost £150, when it arrived it was a solid flywheel, so i called the dealers and they told me they will no longer supply DMF as they are a weak link and dont last, so before peugeot UK are taken to court they have superseeded the DMF, how true that is, i dont know, but VAG wont do the same thats for sure, today i fitted a new clutch and DMF on a 2lt TDI touran and that cost iirc £550 +vat, dont no if that was price to us or the RRP but thats a massive difference

[geoff eeles]

Hi mate.

I gave a call to GSF Swindon yesterday and they quoted me £480.86 for the clutch, DMF and release bearing (price included VAT) I am certain is was a Sachs, the part number for clutch/DMF kit is 022VG0780, the Sachs from Darkside is £414 (included VAT and postage). Crasher said earlier about GSF special discount for big customers, do you qualify for that?

There is also this LUK one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/110496019807?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%3A80%2 Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dp5039.m570 .l1313%26_nkw%3D110496019807%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1#ht_1932wt_1270
which is cheaper than the Sachs.

Oh so confusing for an amateur!!!

The clutch only seems to slip when going fast on motorway. On my way to work, i drive up a really steep hill, low gear with high revs and I dont notice any clutch slippage at all, which makes me think is it the clutch worn completely?????? To spend nearly £600 to change this bad boy is a gamble! not sure tho as I not Jack compared to you Jedi's.

[phil miller]

Yes we are a big customers with GSF ( i work for one of the biggest recovery companys in the south west) i meant to add to my post above, that the touran had a clutch slip issue, it wouldnt stall when doing that test, wouldnt slip when giving it the big one, but on gear change, for a split second the revs rose and then settled, (sound similar???) anyway took the box out and the fiction part had come adrift of the centre plate, will try and remember to get a pic of it tomorrow to post up

[geoff eeles]

Oh crap. that does sound familiar. Is it a serious issues that needs doing immeadiately or can it wait until say 4 weeks time? I will give you a ring tomorrow evening about it.

[phil miller]

Oh crap. that does sound familiar. Is it a serious issues that needs doing immeadiately or can it wait until say 4 weeks time? I will give you a ring tomorrow evening about it.

from what the customer said to me theres had been doing this since before christmas, but then it can let go at anytime mate

Tomorrows evening good with me mate