Fault codes P2008 and P2011

[tonyandkaty]

We picked up our Audi A6 2.7tdi S line yesterday from the car dealer and after driving for about 60 miles, the engine management light came on and we called out the AA to come check the car over, as we were unsure what the fault was with just collecting the car.

After doing a diagnostic on the car it came up with the following fault codes
P2008 intake manifold runner control bank 1
P2011 intake manifold runner control bank 2
The guy from the AA was unsure what can be causing the fault codes as he had never come across the codes before, does anyone know what can be the causes of these codes coming up.

Thanks for any help
Tony

[kite]

swirl flap motor problem, take the car back its an expensive fix.
There are other threads about this problem, try a search

[coolraj003]

thats unlucky mate. Just like kite said, take the car back. It is an expensive issue and you dont need to splash out on the first day you get the car.

Raj

[Guest 2]

Take it back. I got mine covered under Audi warranty and I was told the price would be the higher band of £2k if I were paying from my own pocket.

Where did you buy the car from, Audi dealer, independant etc? If Audi, they give 1 years Approved Used warranty on the cars.

Good luck getting it fixed.

[tonyandkaty]

We bought the car from Toothill trade sales in Mansfield. Have already contacted them and they are saying contact us on monday when the mechanic is back in. And they are saying do not worry it will be sorted no matter what.

[Guest 2]

Excellent, let us know what the mechanic says when they contact you tomorrow.

[coolraj003]

Well if they get it sorted out for you then fair enough but do your research on this subject and check what solution is the best way forward and also get in touch with your local audi dealer to ask for solution. If its the independent dealer who would be getting it done out of his pocket then I bet that he will be willing to cut any corners he can to save costs. But you need to make sure the fix is solid and reliable not the one to just get you out of the warranty period mate. After all cars like these are meant to be pride and joy for us owners and you want the problems fixed not just averted for a lil while. It might be something that a few of our veteran members might be able to shed more light on and give you some pointers. This way you can actually challenge the dealer if he would be going for a cheap fix. Hope it gets sorted properly.

Raj

[SuperCharger28]

What problems does a manifold runner control actually cause?

[coolraj003]

Dont know for sure but this has to be something with the valves that regulate the air flow to the engine. In some cases they dont have any problems apart from bring on the engine management light but then you have to consider the possibility that EML light could be on for some other reason as well which could not do without resolving straight away. Having it checked is the best way to go about it. It might cause irregularities with the emission controls as its all tied down with the EGR system to control engine power and torque. have a look at the thread on swirl flaps on the forum it does give out some more explanation on the issue. might help you.

Raj

[big]

You can get one side fixed cheaply, as there's one bank up on eBay. This is the first time I have seen one of these on eBay for a while. There's a 3.0l 2008+ left hand set of swirls flaps been around for a while, nobody wants to buy.
I need one but I can't afford it right now but I hope someone on the forum can make use of it..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250935365978?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_1413

Rob

[tonyandkaty]

We have now got the car back and the swirl control motors have been replaced and all the inlet manifold area cleaned up also. Thanks to everyone for the advice

[tonyandkaty]

**update**
After having the car back for a couple of days the engine management light came back on, and it turned out to be a faulty swirl control motor again :(

The car is back in the garage and has had 2 more swirl control motors fitted, was just about to go collect the car when we got another call from the garage to say for some reason the fault codes are still showing in the memory even though new motors have been fitted, does anyone know what might be causing the fault codes to still show up, also I don't think they have got vagcom just a standard fault code reader

[kite]

the rods can wear on the joints

[SuperCharger28]

They are lying through their teeth to you. I had the same issue with my audi except it was only on bank 2. Audi replaced the manifold runner for £300 and changed my glowplug free of charge (they contributed 50% as i'm a good customer and had just paid £399 for a service). All they are doing it seems to me is clearing the fault via a VAG com in the attempt that it stays off and then telling you BS that they ahve replaced the motor. It's not just the motor they have to replace. It's the WHOLE assembly which is £400+ per bank and there are two banks.

Take it back under sales of goods.

Also how many miles has it covered?

[mhobson]

Hello,

I had the same codes even though the motors had been changed and there was no wear on the linkage or bearings, needed two new inlet manifold assemblys, a snip at a mere 2100 euros, still what is money for? I might have spent it on fast women or DUH! fast cars.

Shame about the poor design by Audi making the engine unecessarily complicated for very little gain in efficiency, at least it is not a BMW where the swirl flaps drop into the engine and wreck the unit.

Look up the swirl flap posts.

Michael

[hengist]

I may be a bad person but I have had that fault on a 2007 Q7 for 11 months with no discernable problems. I sometimes reset it but it comes back on after 3 to 7 days. I have no recourse to any one so did not fancy £2,000 repair. the local euro parts man told my mechanic there is a kit ( a few washers & wire) which may sort it or a recon part for £350. The number of hours to fit is so high it would be crazy to have the kit only to find it did not work & then same hours to fit part.

[mhobson]

If you go to Audi as I did with my 3.0 tdi Allroad, they will fit just new manifolds (with the original weak bearings) which cost me €2100. With my wife's 3.0 tdi A4 Cab, I bought the remanufactured manifolds from ebay, including motors and reinforced bearing cost including fitting was about €650. Never a problem since.

[mhobson]

Tried the little wire adaptor kit, waste of time, once bearings start wearing the wear increases very quickly and the repair, if it works, will only be temporary

[Kaiser2000]

Mine (05 3.0 TDI A6) has this P2011 error for over a year now with no symptoms beyond the dash warning. It's an 11 year old car with 300,000km on it (and practically unsellable in Ireland because of that and the ridiculous motor tax rate of €1494 a year) so I'm not about to spend thousands on it, but what's the consequences of doing nothing here?

Thar €650 kit from eBay sounds more palatable if I was to do anything about it though... have you a link by any chance?

[MarkTM]

Been running with the swirl flap faults for 2yrs and no discernible downside, car is just as economical/powerful

May get around to fitting reinforced ones myself when funds allow/warmer weather arrives.

I just applied some black marker pen to the dash so my retina's don't suffer, and also ensure I scan the car on a weekly basis to ensure that nothing more sinister's occurring :)

[mhobson]

Mine (05 3.0 TDI A6) has this P2011 error for over a year now with no symptoms beyond the dash warning. It's an 11 year old car with 300,000km on it (and practically unsellable in Ireland because of that and the ridiculous motor tax rate of €1494 a year) so I'm not about to spend thousands on it, but what's the consequences of doing nothing here?





Thar €650 kit from eBay sounds more palatable if I was to do anything about it though... have you a link by any chance?

I don't think you would notice any difference, but my thoughts are that unless you run a diagnostic on a frequent basis, if another fault occurred with the car which would have turned the warning lamp on you would not have been warned as the lamp was already on. The manifolds I bought were like eBay item number: 321315908965

In France where I live there is no car tax and cars do not seem to devalue so fast

Regards

Michael

[gianton]

SRT88 is a sponsored dealer here for aftermarket manifolds. Changed the driver's side (LHD) about a year and a half ago and have no issues at all.

More info in my post here Audi V6 TDi 2.7 & 3.0 Inlet Manifold, Swirl Flap Repair Kit. - Page 19 (http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=979632)

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[rick81]

I've had the same faults for the last yr or so
Not noticed any loss in power/mpg etc
Car drove fine
Managed to switch the actuator rod last week in about 30mins and light is now gone .....
1 week, let's see how long it lasts- no difference in power/ mpg again
But for the £11 and 30 mins fiddling its worth it just to get rid if the annoying light in dash