Anyone confused with best mappers, etc read this

[streetfighter-r]

Hi everyone. I just had my car remapped. It's by APR! Apparently I'm the 1st in the UK ;) it's bloody fantastic...but enough of my excitement for now;

I'm sure many of you have thought of having your car remapped, relied on forums to gain research and real life comments on who's good, bad and the ugly and the thought of such a grey area and a lack of confidence have put you right off with the idea on your new cars costing c.30k+

I was overwhelmed with people claiming biggest power, which frankly wasn't what I was looking for, and finding it hard to see differences between expensive and cheaper offers. Well, if you researched further afield you will no doubt have come across APR product lines from the states. Not only do they provide clear and realistic maps, they also came across professional, but their products are so unique, its an absolutely a no brainer! Maps are uploaded with at least 3 maps from factory standard to diff octane use of fuel-whilst you can switch as and when you please via the cruise controls!!!

The car runs smoothly, no massive boost then tails off like a cheap marketing gimmick, nor does it feel like you have made any comprises whatsoever.

Although I have a right of opinion, I'm not going to rubbish anyone else as I have no experiences with them, but my customer experience from the first phone call to driving with any excuse has been absolutely first class.

Think about this:
- no big silly power gains as a USP
- professional team in R&D opposed to White label mappers
- the only switchable software from OEM controls
- no fear of ridiculous boost
- fantastic customer care end to end
- proven and established!
- a ranting satisfied customer that hopefully provided further consideration for people looking for the best and best for their car

They will be coming to a tuner near you, or alternatively book with them directly!

Ps I have no affiliation with APR whatsoever, just a really chuffed b8 owner with new found power!

Just check out GOAPR dot com


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[ScottyUK]

I had APR on my TT and it was very good. It didn't run the biggest peak figures in the market place but it acheived it's results over a wider range than the competition so itn the real world was a faster car.

It's one I've pondered for a while.

A nice write up. Many people just say "I've got the XXXX remap and it's the mutz nutz" without saying why.

Did you compare any other maps/graphs before choosing APR? What led you to them? Where did you have it done?

I understand the 2011 is more tricky than my MY2010 to crack but I assume the actual map would be the same.

[streetfighter-r]

Hi ScottyUK,

I think it says it all really with your quote around being "...the mutz nuts" etc. Saying that, I have friends with remaps that has been good over some time (and some not!).

Yes, I did compare some and, again, couldn't quite understand a big power peak followed by a visually sharp fall plus running the little turbo with a stock set-up at probably max boost or over run from factory tolerances..? Plus, the actual mapper has always remained anonymous...it's not who you may think it is...

I remember you mentioned you had tuned Jap cars before(?). If so, you probably like me can't quite grasp the possibility of a generic flash remap providing the same power vs a custom rolling road or road map from scratch, apparently there's a formulae to making big claims

I had my car mapped by THE KeithAPR from the US. Keith has come over to set up with expanding their products and offer the end to end support needed for UK tuners (top bloke too).

Not sure If I'm allowed to mention the name of the main distributor where he is also based but it's in Milton Keynes - the distributor can do retail services and they aren't too shabby either ;)

Oh...re: 2010 tune, should be straight forward for you, but I was shown stages throughout the whole process rather than be seated in a waiting room. Yes, it was ecu out on mine but nothing as dramatic as I thought and it's just to bypass the firewall, no soldering, bolt ons etc,




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[ScottyUK]

I tried MTM on my TT and that was massively peaky with a big fall off. It actually meant you couldn't use more than about 5k rpm !


I remember you mentioned you had tuned Jap cars before(?). If so, you probably like me can't quite grasp the possibility of a generic flash remap providing the same power vs a custom rolling road or road map from scratch, apparently there's a formulae to making big claims

Not me although I agree. I recently got a PowerCommander for my motorbike and many people stick with the generic map off the web for the particular model. I went and had my dyno tuned and the difference was easily noticable.Much smoother etc etc

I didn't realise Keith had come over. They're ublished prices for all the remapaps and option s too steep but I thoink mant/all get a better deal.

[ciderhead]

Hi everyone. I just had my car remapped. It's by APR! Apparently I'm the 1st in the UK ;) it's bloody fantastic...but enough of my excitement for now;

I'm sure many of you have thought of having your car remapped, relied on forums to gain research and real life comments on who's good, bad and the ugly and the thought of such a grey area and a lack of confidence have put you right off with the idea on your new cars costing c.30k+

I was overwhelmed with people claiming biggest power, which frankly wasn't what I was looking for, and finding it hard to see differences between expensive and cheaper offers. Well, if you researched further afield you will no doubt have come across APR product lines from the states. Not only do they provide clear and realistic maps, they also came across professional, but their products are so unique, its an absolutely a no brainer! Maps are uploaded with at least 3 maps from factory standard to diff octane use of fuel-whilst you can switch as and when you please via the cruise controls!!!

The car runs smoothly, no massive boost then tails off like a cheap marketing gimmick, nor does it feel like you have made any comprises whatsoever.

Although I have a right of opinion, I'm not going to rubbish anyone else as I have no experiences with them, but my customer experience from the first phone call to driving with any excuse has been absolutely first class.

Think about this:
- no big silly power gains as a USP
- professional team in R&D opposed to White label mappers
- the only switchable software from OEM controls
- no fear of ridiculous boost
- fantastic customer care end to end
- proven and established!
- a ranting satisfied customer that hopefully provided further consideration for people looking for the best and best for their car

They will be coming to a tuner near you, or alternatively book with them directly!

Ps I have no affiliation with APR whatsoever, just a really chuffed b8 owner with new found power!

Just check out GOAPR dot com


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Hi M8

Very interested in using APR to remap my 2011 A4 1.8 TFSi 120ps S Line Black Edition, the closest tuner to me, I live in Bristol, is a company called Gwent VW in Newport. Haven`t phoned for any costs yet but out of interest what did you pay and how long did it take to remap your car. Did you see significant gains in terms of BHP and torque? Also you say you booked direct with APR, was this via the American web site?

Cheers

[Hyper-Remaps]

Most of the new Audis are tricore protected ECU's. OBD socket remapping is not an option and the ECU must come out. The issues with remapping these really new and expensive vehicles is as they are under warranty the dealers may notice trim that has been removed around the ECU, if it has been a bad install, then most likely trim will be damaged around the ECU locations. The next issue is the ECU's have anti-tamper bolts that secure them to the vehicle, again these need to be removed, and replaced with like for like new bolts when removing the ecu. Last but not least, the ECU needs to be re-sealed and any heat paste applied accordingly. Remember if the vehicle does go in for a service, and the dealers need to flash over the ECU as newer firmwares and software is released, this will overwrite your remap. Extreme case is if the dealers can see that the ECU has been removed/flashed or can prove this, then they may have a case where the warranty is void. We have always made this information clear and avilable on vehicles that are within the warranty period. It is the right thing to inform the customer, all be it even if they change their minds. Tuning boxes are preferred, but they go against all remapping principles. everyone is happy at forst with these boxes, but ask someone 1 year or more down the line about consumption, power and issues... no one really comes back to comment as with over fueling over a prolonged period is bad for the engine..

Hope this informs you, and hellps you make a better informed descision..

[ScottyUK]

Extreme case is if the dealers can see that the ECU has been removed/flashed or can prove this, then they may have a case where the warranty is void.

Many people run in fear of this. I don't think you've really helped their concerns. If anything it's reinforcing the myth that having a remap could mean a completely voided warranty. That's simply not the case.

There's a lot more to it than this.

[Hyper-Remaps]

Its not a myth. We believe that if you have spent the 2nd largest amount of money on your pride and joy, the least we can tell you is where you would stand, as I am sure you can understand a customer with a brand new vehicle, had it remapped, and then Audi void warranty..

[ScottyUK]

That would be contrary to EU Law.

They can not void your warranty for having a remap.

If you have a fault that is the fault of a modification then the warranty on that part or affected part may be voided but not your complete warranty. Of course there's a risk you'd also face the costs of all the diag work they put in to proving it was the mods fault.

I may be out of date but that's how it's been for as long as I can recall. I don't like living under false information so I'm interested in being corrected if it's not a myth. Please can you demonstrate the proof. Cheers.

[Hyper-Remaps]

An old post that querys the subject
http://www.tyresmoke.net/forum/audi-a3-s3-cabrio/50977-audi-approved-remaps.html

[ScottyUK]

That was 6 years ago hence me asking what had changed?

So are we saying it is a myth after all then ?

[ScottyUK]

Oh and just in case it's further suggested I know more than I'm letting on :

For a number of years I dealt with the Audi UK on behalf of the TT owners club. I had direct access to the Product Managers and they were very generous with the information they provided to me.

During one email exchange (back in 2004) I asked this question and got the following answer :


> [7] Is there a statement somewhere within Audi that explains how mods affect warranties. I have one you sent me before :"any non approved item will not be covered by audi warranty or anypart affected by its fitment" but I was just wondering if there is anything that quantifies this a bit and what rules stop a dealer claiming any mod being related to another fault.

> I think the position is that if there is any doubt about the reasons for failure of one of our parts then any claim would be rejected by Audi UK if a non apporved partc ould be found to be attributable in its failure