Bluetooth help - im going crazy

[tubbsy99]

Hi guys,

Recently purchased a 2006 Audi A6 sline 2.7 TDI quattro. The car is great and i would like to make use of the phone system. Currently it has a cordless motarola Audi phone in the arm rest that needs a seperate sim. The phone appears to paid with the car via bluetooth.

I want to be able to use my Iphone with the car as the handset phone with the car is pretty pointless if you ask me. I have tried pairing my iphone with the car but the phone doesnt even display my audi as a source to pair with. Ive tried lots of different ways but no success and i am going somehat crazy as it doesnt work. Can anyone help? Do you think becuase the cordless phone is paired or stored as a paired device itis stopping the car finding the iphone?

Also how easy is it to remove the phone and cradle and replace with a iphone cradle (if i fancy spending the £100 for the cradle)?

Any help would be appreciated. I see lots of youtube videos which show the paring prcess as a piece of cake........... my cake however is proving to be not as forthcoming!

Thanks
John

[AxeMurderer]

A couple of things, that may be red herrings...
- What firmware do you have? The more recent ones had some bluetooth/phone updates in them, which may help. The latest (and final) version is 5570.
- Remove (unclip) the phone and cradle (just because I don't have that). And try pairing within the first 10 minutes of opening the car; pairing is disabled after that. I forget the default password but is one of the obvious ones like 0000 or 1234.

Caveat: I haven't tried pairing an iPhone

[Yemiboy]

Like Axemurderer said above, try and disconnect the Motorola handset, I didn't have a handset in my car but I had problem pairing more than one phone while others are active, so I disconnected one before paring another which seems to be blocking the communication.
Another thing is most if not all Bluetooth device can only accept 6 device paired if your car has reached that max then you will have problem connecting to it as well.

The default pin is usually 1234 as mentioned above... Mine is anyway, but this can be changed using vagcom I believe.

[joshA6]

The default pin is usually 1234 as mentioned above... Mine is anyway, but this can be changed using vagcom I believe.

You can change this without VAGCOM in the phone setup screens. VAGCOM does however always show the user what the code is

[tubbsy99]

Thanks guys for the help. Do you know how to remove previous devices from the bluetooth system in the Audi. The manual says go to bluetooth settings and choose delete previous devices but my settings have no such option.

I will try removing the cradle and phone later and see if that works. Is is quite easy to remove? Guess just get a screw driver underneath it a pull upwards? If there is a special way let me know as would hate to break it.

[AxeMurderer]

Although I don't have a cradle, I do have the mounting plate for one in the armrest. Looking at that, I would expect that to remove the cradle there will either be a button/catch on the cradle itself, or that you can remove it by pushing the cradle towards the back of the car and then lifting the front. It doesn't look as if you should be levering at anything with a screwdriver.

[AxeMurderer]

Hold fire.

I've just had a look at the manual to confirm how to remove the phone cradle and it appears that what I have (phone preparation, which allows the use of a variety of phones with their matching cradles) and what you have (an actual phone pre-installed) are completely different. I don't think there is any simple way to remove your phone cradle.

So, back to connecting a 'normal' phone via bluetooth... Remove the in-car handset, switch it off, and remove the handset battery. Then try pairing your iphone (within the first 10 minutes).

[tubbsy99]

Hi Axe,

I was just about to say the same thing about the phone cradle and phone prep being different. I have given it a tug (not too hard) and it seems pretty well held in place so screw driver might not be the best idea. I will try turning off the phone and removing the battery and seeing if that works but i just cannot get the iphone to even display the Audi as an optional device when starting up the car etc.

Its got to be the handset intererring

[AxeMurderer]

Make sure there is not a SIM in your cradle as well. Good luck!

[tubbsy99]

Thanks Axe, will give it a try later today when the car comes back from service. I will let you know how i get on!

While i think of it, do you know anywhere i can get the latest sat nav discs as the one in the car is the 2006 maps. I went to audi and they wanted £170!

John

[Yemiboy]

You can find one on eBay, got my genuine 2008 one from there for around £15, depends on you luck as they are quite expensive.

[AxeMurderer]

There are (coughs) places that the maps can be downloaded from. If you do that, burn the disc at the slowest speed you can, and have an older genuine disc (like your 2006 one) in the car as backup. I say this because the DVD drives are very fussy about media.

For a more recent (but probably not 2011) genuine disk at more reasonable prices, ebay. However do make sure you are buying a genuine disk and not a shady copy. Make sure it is for MMI 2G as well; MMI 3G and RNS-E disks won't work.

[tubbsy99]

I cannot seem to locate the maps on torrent (cough) websites. I have found some on sale on ebay, gum tree etc but i fear these are just the same as if downloaded which i can do myself. Could anyonepoint me in the right (cough cough) direction.

Also - thanks for al the info guys. Its nice to know i can seek help from fellow owners for my new car.

J

[AxeMurderer]

Yemiboy - tubbsy has an A6 with MMI 2G DVD navigation. Your link is to RNSE maps, which won't work with his nav. Apart from that, you are spot on!

[tubbsy99]

Just as i was about to say i have the MMI 2G you guys have already mentioned it and found a solution. Great job guys, will certainly save me a few quid and nice to have updated maps!

Tubbs

[stuart]

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Thanks

Stuart

[tubbsy99]

Sorry Stuart, no offense or rule breakage meant.

Would like to thanks to all that helped tho :-)

[Yemiboy]

Yes BOSS Stuart... No harm meant and we will be careful next time.

[AxeMurderer]

Apologies also. Got closer and closer to that line, and what do you know, there it was behind me.

[Getaway_Driver]

Hi tubbsy,

Regarding the bluetooth - if you have GSM phone preparation with a sim card slot under the phone in the armrest, then the bluetooth handset only connects to that. You cannot pair any other phone with it.

Cheap solutions are to get a second SIM card for your number, or set up call forwarding whenever you are in the car. More costly is getting a third party bluetooth kit and even more expensive is replacing the current GSM phone system with an Audi bluetooth system.

[joshA6]

can someone please pm me the link?

I find these torrent sites fascinating and need to do some research

[tubbsy99]

Hi tubbsy,

Regarding the bluetooth - if you have GSM phone preparation with a sim card slot under the phone in the armrest, then the bluetooth handset only connects to that. You cannot pair any other phone with it.

Cheap solutions are to get a second SIM card for your number, or set up call forwarding whenever you are in the car. More costly is getting a third party bluetooth kit and even more expensive is replacing the current GSM phone system with an Audi bluetooth system.

Hi Getaway,

Thanks for the email. Is there no way i can replace the phone set and cradel with a iphone cradle etc from audi? I cannot understand why i would not be able to pair any other device with the car as the car would surely have the bluetooth module in it?

John

[Getaway_Driver]

Unfortunately not - the only solution is to replace the current GSM phone system with a new bluetooth system.

The bluetooth module that is currently in the car is only for connecting to the wireless handset in the armrest, it will not connect to any other phone. Useless I know....

[tubbsy99]

So i would need to get something like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-A4-B6-B7-RNS-E-BLUETOOTH-HANDSFREE-MODULE-/260848184328?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3cbbc36c08

and then could i pull out the phone and cradle and replace with the iphone cradle?

Seems silly to have it set up like this, really want to have handsfree calling with my phone and not need a seperate sim card or call forwarding.

Mods - link has been put up just for reference to show what i am talking about.

Who has a bloody car phone these days anyway :-)

[Yemiboy]

I have the MODULE PART 8P0 862 335 C, don't buy this one as it is just a Bluetooth only, if you have a Multi-Function Steering Wheel you will not enjoy the full function.

see the list below

Q- Can you tell me what the differences are between full functionallity and basic functionallity, I'm also looking to fit and RNS-E and BT kit.
A - Full functionality = hands-free plus voice dialling, and phone books and call lists shared with RNS-E.

Basic functionality = hands-free and voice dialling only.


PHONE INTERFACE BOX Full functionality unless shown otherwise
8E0 862 335 <MY 2005.5 A4 (North America) - no Bluetooth
8P0 862 335 <MY 2004 A3 - Basic functionality only
8P0 862 335 A MY 2004 A3/A4 - Basic functionality only
8P0 862 335 D MY 2005 A4 >8E-5-533 000 - Basic functionality only
8P0 862 335 E MY 2005 A4 8E-5-533 001>>8E-5-600 000 - Basic functionality only
8P0 862 335 C MY 2006 A4 8E-6-000 001/8E-6-800 001>>
8P0 862 335 B MY 2006 A3/A4 (North America)
8P0 862 335 F MY 2006.5 A3/A4 (Europe)
8P0 862 335 G MY 2006.5 A4 (North America)
8P0 862 335 M MY 2007 (Europe)
8P0 862 335 J MY 2007 (North America)
8P0 862 335 H MY 2007.5 (Europe)
8P0 862 335 L MY 2008 (North America)
8P0 862 335 K MY 2008 (Europe, sw 0340) -> may get replaced under warranty due to faulty firmware
8P0 862 335 Q MY 2008 (Europe, sw 0350)
8P0 862 335 R MY 2008 (North America)
8P0 862 335 N MY 2009 (Europe)
8P0 862 335 P MY 2009 (North America)
8P0 862 335 S MY 2009.5 (Europe)
8P0 862 335 T MY 2009.5 (North America)
8P0 862 335 AA MY 2010 (Europe)
8P0 862 335 AB MY 2010 (North America)
8P1 862 335 MY 2011 (Europe)

8L1 862 373A - Microphone
8J0 862 373 B - Microphone BOSE/TEL for TT 8J, R8 and 8P cabrio

8P0 035 503E - Bluetooth Antenna

8T0 862 336 A MY 2009 (Europe) for B8 A4, A5 & Q5 without MMI
8T0 862 336 B MY 2010 (Europe) for B8 A4, A5 & Q5 without MMI

[tubbsy99]

Hi Yemi

So which ones the full functionality part i need for my Audi A6 2006? Looking at the list i would have said 8P0 862 335 C was the one i wanted but you said not to get this one so im a little confused :-)

Also would i not have the microphones already in the car for handsfree calling when not using the stupid motorola handset?

John

[Yemiboy]

I mean you should not buy the 8P0 862 335 one on eBay as it is just a basic function.
I have the 8P0 862 335 C which is fully functional, I can voice dial, and it displays phone book from my phone, missed calls, dialed and received calls.

http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14724&d=1315305366

[Getaway_Driver]

Tubbsy - the parts you listed are not compatible with the MMI system. You need an MMI 2G compatible part for your car (Audi A6 4F (C6)) Check out somewhere like Kufatec.de for the right parts.

Good Luck,

[Yemiboy]

Very true Getawaydriver.... I got carried away thinking everyone uses RNSE, yes he would need a 4Fxxxxxx as soon as I find the right part number I will send it to you.

[tubbsy99]

So I went to Audi today to find out about the Bluetooth problem. The tech guy there said that there is no way to connect another phone to the car. He said what I have is 'in car phone' system which is the cordless phone handset and I would need instead 'telephone prep' system in order to connect external phones (iPhone for example). he said I can't change from one system to the other but something in me just doesn't believe it. The car has bluetooth which the tech guy said was limited between cordless phone to base station and no Bluetooth actually in the car as the base station is hard wired to the rest of the car and the Bluetooth was in the base station. Surely there has to be way to sort this out and just don't know what to do. I don't really want to spend loads on an aftermarket solution when I might have something that would work with a little inventive thinking.

Cheers for your help guys!

Tubbs

[Yemiboy]

Tubbs,

To some extent I kind of understand what he is saying, but I cannot say for sure if my assumption is right, but what I gathered from what he is saying is your phone is wired and the Bluetooth system only connects to the GSM phone in the armrest just like a Cordless phone in the house that connects to the base only...someone should correct me if I am wrong.
Or it is like the old style Nokia 6300 cable wired phone to the car.

The way forward will be to run a Vagcom Auto scan so that we can see the controller that the phone uses, the part number will help us determine if this is a Bluetooth interface that allows any phone to connect or just for the GSM phone only in the armrest.

[Yemiboy]

Hi tubbsy,

Regarding the bluetooth - if you have GSM phone preparation with a sim card slot under the phone in the armrest, then the bluetooth handset only connects to that. You cannot pair any other phone with it.

Cheap solutions are to get a second SIM card for your number, or set up call forwarding whenever you are in the car. More costly is getting a third party bluetooth kit and even more expensive is replacing the current GSM phone system with an Audi bluetooth system.

Remeber what Getaway Driver said above, it is similar to what the Audi tech guy was telling you.
The tech guy there said that there is no way to connect another phone to the car. He said what I have is 'in car phone' system which is the cordless phone handset and I would need instead 'telephone prep' system in order to connect external phones (iPhone for example). he said I can't change from one system to the other

"In Car phone" to me is a old style Nokia hard wired phone not a Bluetooth like I have that connects to any phone
I have highlighted it in blue above

[tubbsy99]

Tubbs,

To some extent I kind of understand what he is saying, but I cannot say for sure if my assumption is right, but what I gathered from what he is saying is your phone is wired and the Bluetooth system only connects to the GSM phone in the armrest just like a Cordless phone in the house that connects to the base only...someone should correct me if I am wrong.
Or it is like the old style Nokia 6300 cable wired phone to the car.

The way forward will be to run a Vagcom Auto scan so that we can see the controller that the phone uses, the part number will help us determine if this is a Bluetooth interface that allows any phone to connect or just for the GSM phone only in the armrest.

Thanks Yemi once again, how do we go about doing a VAG-COM scan? I see some stuff on a well know auction site but see most of it is not compatiable with the C6 Audi A6.

Thanks
Tubbs

[Yemiboy]

I got my cable from eBay just to do the basic stuff, do you have a port like this by the drivers or passenger footwell? although my car is A4

You can pickup a cheap one off eBay but the USB versions don't work properly sometimes but it will do the basic stuff.
If you can afford the authentic Vagcom cable it will set you back £265.

http://www.audizine.com/gallery/data/500/thumbs/Vag_Com_Port.jpg (http://www.audizine.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=62525&title=vag-com-port-16-pin&cat=500)

[humphrey999]

Sorry for the minor thread hijack but it may prove to be useful: can anyone tell me the difference between 4E0 862 335 and 4E0 862 333? Is one the Sim Access Profile box and the other the limited functionality box?

Cheers,
H

[Yemiboy]

Do they have letters at the end of them?
It's an A6/A8/Q7 part number for the phone module, but not sure the difference between them.
I saw this on the net VWVortex (http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5213021-F-S-oem-bluetooth-interface-box-4e0-862-335-SW-4f0-910-336-d-070)

[Getaway_Driver]

Hi H,

4E0 862 333 is listed in ETKA as control unit for telephone and was superseded by 4E0 910 333.
4E0 862 335 is listed as an interface box and was superseded by 4E0 910 336.

See the diagrams below: (part #1)


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[piotrek]

Hi All.

I have the in-built armrest phone which connects via blue tooth and if I switch it off I can then pair my iPhone without any probs.
Does it mean I have some other components fitted to allow this to work? If you give me a clue where to look maybe I can give you the part numbers.

[Getaway_Driver]

Hi Piotrek,

I think you have a newer system which allows that. I'm guessing that the phone you have in the armrest has a colour screen and the SIM card is inserted in the handset and not in the armrest cradle? This system allows other Bluetooth devices to connect to it.

The older GSM system handset has a non-colour screen and the SIM card is inserted in the cradle. This system does not allow other Bluetooth devices to connect to it.

Regards,

[piotrek]

Hi Getaway_Driver,

Yes, you are absolutely right :)

[tubbsy99]

Just when i thought Piotrek might be my saviour when i read his post, its snatched away from me ;)

I think i am going to have to admit defeat on this and go aftermarket as i cannot find any solution with changing the bluetooth modules where the cradle is wired and solving the problem. I am looking at aftermarket kits such as parrot or bury but not sure if i can connect these to the car system (radio mute for example). Older cars you can simply just connect by the ISO loom but not with the MMI.

The only thing i have seen is a denison gateway 500 but these seems to cost a fortune! Are they any good and worth the money?

Tubbs

Again - thanks for everyones help. Been really useful!

[humphrey999]

There's no problem connecting an aftermarket kit to MMI, I have one currently fitted in my car. You need a telemute cable which fits in the left hand side of the boot and features a mini loom fitting in between the amp and the speaker cables. You need to run the phone loom back to the front through the cabin but it's easy enough and doesn't require splicing into original wiring.

Alternatively go to ebay.de and search for 'audi a6 telefon' and it'll bring up a load of second hand bluetooth modules that you can use to replace the one you currently have (4E0 862 335) , you'll get fill MFSW and MMI compatibility. The cradle in your armrest will be redundant but presumably it'll still have a power source that you can use to charge your iphone if you can source the appropriate adaptor?

My post lacks detail but in principle I think it's all possible based ont he resarch I'm doing to do my own retrofitting.

e.g. http://www.ebay.de/itm/AUDI-A6-Q7-A4-A5-INTERFACE-BLUETOOTH-STEURGERAT-TELEFON-/250880337980?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item3a69a2283c

[Yemiboy]

Tubbs,

Take a look at this interface, is it like yours?

Click on this link...Motorola BT interface and phone (http://www.ebay.de/itm/orig-Audi-A8-4E-Telefon-Handy-Bluetooth-SET-Motorola-/120775880004?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item1c1ecdad44#ht_902wt_1396)

[tubbsy99]

Yes Yemi thats the one.

Tubbs

[Yemiboy]

Cool, I will get some more info for you tomorrow about the kind of BT you need for you to be able to connect ur iPhone, my friend that drives A6 2007 is visiting tomorrow so I will run a full scan on his car and let you know the BT module in his car as he has a compartment for phone in the armrest but he doesn't have a handset present, so he is able to pair his phones with the BT, I think he might have the 3G MMI. I will also post some pictures for you to see if you car is similar.


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[tubbsy99]

Thanks Yemi,

It sounds like your friend has the 'telephone prep' arrangement in the car which has the bluetooth and a phone plate in the arm rest, you can then buy the correct mobile phone cradle and connect this to the phone plate which will allow the phone to be charged while connected etc. The tech at audi said this is a different set up to what i have which is 'in car telephone'. Not sure exactly what is different etc but apparently you cannot just change the bluetooth modules but to me he didnt sound sure and gave me the impression he was saying that just to get rid of me. It was easier to say no then spend the time looking at part numbers etc as he hadnt seen the in car telephone system before. Might be me being sceptical.

Tubbs

[joshA6]

Thanks Yemi,

It sounds like your friend has the 'telephone prep' arrangement in the car which has the bluetooth and a phone plate in the arm rest, you can then buy the correct mobile phone cradle and connect this to the phone plate which will allow the phone to be charged while connected etc. The tech at audi said this is a different set up to what i have which is 'in car telephone'. Not sure exactly what is different etc but apparently you cannot just change the bluetooth modules but to me he didnt sound sure and gave me the impression he was saying that just to get rid of me. It was easier to say no then spend the time looking at part numbers etc as he hadnt seen the in car telephone system before. Might be me being sceptical.

Tubbs

Why don;t you just rip out the Motorola system you have and replace it with the standard Bluetooth module available form Kufatec or the dealers? Or even get a dension gateway system instead?

You are talking about £500 all in. I have phone prep as above and to be honest, I just charge my iphone using the Audi AMI and leave the bluetooth switched on. If you were to do the same, you would only need the most basic of the bluetooth options (Prep Low I think it was called).

This might also help you, If I read it right, it is to replace the motorolla in car kit with Bluetooth only

http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1457_c111_Replacement--Motorola-phone-into-Bluetooth-Audi-A6-4F-MMI-2G.html

[piotrek]

Hi Tubbs

Just seen your message.
Have just been to look at my phone and it's not Motorola but PEIKER Acoustic with Audi 4 rings stamped on it but it looks exactly like those on the link you sent me.
In the back are the numbers : 4F0 910 393 A then bit further down 4F0 862 393 H01. These are on an audi sticker. I can check with VAGCOM when I get home on the BT module but it looks the same as far as I can tell to the link you sent.

Regs Piotrek

[tubbsy99]

Hi Piotrek,

I was trying to avoid paying £500 to set up the system for handsfree in the car if possible. I did see the kufatec module but was trying to find another way round it. If i could find out if a different bluetooth module would work I was going to try and source one if i can get it cheaper.

Tubbs

[piotrek]

Hi again Tubbsy

So I've just looked at my vagcom read-out and for the telephone I have :-

part no.

SW: 4F1 910 336 D
HW: 4F1 862 335

component BTA H10 1120


Hope this helps

Regs Piotrek

[Yemiboy]

Tubs, be patient, I will check my friends car and come back to you, hope he turns up today.


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[Yemiboy]

Sorry Tubbs that I have not contacted you, my friend has gone on holiday, so as soon as he returns I will scan his car and let you know the details.

Kind Rgds


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[tubbsy99]

Thanks for the update Yemi, will look forward to the info when you friend returns.

Cheers
Tubbs

[tubbsy99]

hi guys,

I was going to pull out the phone and cradle and have a look underneath so i can check part numbers or bluetooth module etc. Basically to get a better picture of what i have (or dont have). I tried using a screw driver to pull off the cradle but it feels like it is held on by much more than pop rivets or something to that effect that with a bit of force will just pop off. Anyone know how to take off the cradle etc? Dont want to put too much force on it and end up breaking it.

I have attached some images so you can see what ive got.

[tubbsy99]

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