Lowline/midline/highline/mfsw/stalks argghhhh

[nick.king]

The more info I get the more confused I become.

I've read so much info on installing a MFSW that I'm not that sure it will be the right thing to do.

I currently have what I consider to be a midline mfd (can someone confirm from the attached pics) which is controlled by the wiper stalk. I've read conflicting forum threads where if the mfd is controlled by the wiper stalk then you need the older type MFSW, I've read other threads where you can fit either. Are 2 MFSW's available? if so what are the differences?

I wasn't originally going to upgrade the mfd to a highline unit but I now think I'll go with this (once i've found a cheap unit on eBay). If I do upgrade will I still be able to control this via the wiper stalk and the MFSW or just the one?

Many thanks in advance.

[richball65]

Confuses the hell out of me to Nick !! I'm trying to fit a 2010 MFSW to my 2006. I believe I have the Highline full display........Work in progress at the moment, I'll keep ypu posted


Rich

[richiemac]

Thats midline Nick.....I can control the mfd via wheel or stalk. You need module, harness,wheel and mfd + vagcom. Any of the highline modules i listed in my thread will work. Ebay.de is a good source for them ......i'll have a look. ;)

[esse_esse]

As Richie said.......It depends on steering wheel if you have steering wheel controls you can do it via the steering or wiper stalk if you don't wiper stalk.

The full mfd has more functions/options iirc

[ToMBoY_C]

Lol it ain't easy is it! Worth it in the end though, love my R32 wheel :beerchug:

[nick.king]

Lol it ain't easy is it! Worth it in the end though, love my R32 wheel :beerchug:

Too many choices :)

http://www.vwcruise.com/22.html these guys are offering older styles buttons for midline mfd so you can control the track up/down. I might try and track down the older style wheel as that's all I really want to be able to do, vol up/down track up/down.

[nick.king]

Thats midline Nick.....I can control the mfd via wheel or stalk. You need module, harness,wheel and mfd + vagcom. Any of the highline modules i listed in my thread will work. Ebay.de is a good source for them ......i'll have a look. ;)

I had a look on ebay.de, just wish I could read German :)

I assume the 2008 clocks won't fit my 2007? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-PASSAT-SPEEDO-CLOCKS-VW-PASSAT-2008-LOOK-CHEAP-/190445362257?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2c576d9c51

[ToMBoY_C]

Are those Dials from a Passat? Never seen the temp and fuel inside the speedo/revs? Plus the backs look totally different? See my picture of the back of my midline dials:


http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e114/ToMBoY_C/DSCF2978.jpg

I would have said they maybe from EOS? The plugs are in a different location too so would not fit anyway...

[johnloaderuk]

Are those Dials from a Passat?

Passat dials have been like this for sometime now, mine are like those and my car is almost one year old. The advert says from a 2008 model, which must have been the updated dash year.

[richiemac]

If they're the same layout, should be ok then. Pop yours out and see is the plug the same at the back.

[nick.king]

Too many choices :)

http://www.vwcruise.com/22.html these guys are offering older styles buttons for midline mfd so you can control the track up/down. I might try and track down the older style wheel as that's all I really want to be able to do, vol up/down track up/down.

With regards to this, doesn't anyone have pics or can tell me what the differences are between the older style MFSW and the current MFSW?

EDIT, also does anyone have the part number for the instrument cluster with a highline MFD? I've seen several on eBay but they all seem to be midline and without the part number I'm unable to confirm.

Thanks.

[ToMBoY_C]

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a5/paddle-shifter-steering-wheel-swap.htm

Check that site for the early buttons.

I will try looking for full MFD part number!

[nick.king]

http://www.myturbodiesel.com/1000q/a5/paddle-shifter-steering-wheel-swap.htm

Check that site for the early buttons.

I will try looking for full MFD part number!

Thanks, I think I'd prefer the older buttons judging by that!

Did most/all cars with a MFSW come will full MFD? I'll check a few breakers yards around Sheffield to see if they have any Passats, but if you do find the part number please let me know.

[ToMBoY_C]

Tommorow matey, I will plug vag com in and get it off there, they're 2007 dials, what year is yours??

[nick.king]

Tommorow matey, I will plug vag com in and get it off there, they're 2007 dials, what year is yours??

Mine is also a 2007 (57) plate.

Many thanks,

Nick.

[ToMBoY_C]

Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 E HW: 3C0 920 971 E
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 2416
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0007405
Shop #: WSC 00591 210 71797
VCID: 275619E7EF91

No fault code found.

[nick.king]

Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 E HW: 3C0 920 971 E
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 2416
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0007405
Shop #: WSC 00591 210 71797
VCID: 275619E7EF91

No fault code found.

Thanks.... initial eBay searches are negative :(

[nick.king]

Address 17: Instruments Labels: 3C0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 920 971 E HW: 3C0 920 971 E
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VD1 2416
Revision: V0002000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0007405
Shop #: WSC 00591 210 71797
VCID: 275619E7EF91

No fault code found.

I've phoned a few breakers in the area but no luck, I've been in touch with Hazzy Dayz and they could do it for about £400 fitted.

I did get a MFSW for £80 though (although I reserved this a few weeks ago). With regards to the airbag harness and control module what money am I looking at by getting these parts from the dealers and do I need to match the parts up to the car or the steering wheel? The part number on the wheel is 1K0419091AB E74.

Cheers.

[nick.king]

I've managed to source a wheel (1K0-419-091-AB - £80), control module (3C0-953-549-K - £50 ) and a instrument cluster (3C0-920-960-N or 3C0-920-971 or 3C0-920-970-T - £80 (I asked for the one in the best condition)), and it's all coming tomorrow.

All I need now is a airbag harness, I'm told the part number is 3CO 971 584 B. I've posted in the wanted section if anyone can assist? The dealer can't get this part for 3-4 weeks and it would cost £20.41 plus VAT.

Am I missing anything else once I've got the harness?

Cheers

PS, the breakers yard has 2 highline DSI/MFD instrument clusters left if anyone is interested, pm me if you want a contact number.

[ToMBoY_C]

1K0 971 584 C This it the Harness you will need mate £37 all in.

[ToMBoY_C]

P.S are you using the breakers: Motorsinmotion, Retford?

[nick.king]

1K0 971 584 C This it the Harness you will need mate £37 all in.

Hi, ok I'll check at the dealer tomorrow as it's going in for a service.

What's the difference between 1K0 and 3C0? The wheel I have is 1K0 and the control module/instrument cluster are 3C0.

Cheers,

Nick.

[nick.king]

P.S are you using the breakers: Motorsinmotion, Retford?

Yes I did... why?, I hope it's not bad :)

[ToMBoY_C]

3C0 is Passat 3C part. 1K0 I believe is golf, can be found in scirocco too, interchangeable. But not steering modules, I learnt the hard way!!!

[ToMBoY_C]

I hate them, Very Expensive!! Customer service poor.

[nick.king]

3C0 is Passat 3C part. 1K0 I believe is golf, can be found in scirocco too, interchangeable. But not steering modules, I learnt the hard way!!!

Ah ok so I need to get a 1K0 harness to match the wheel?

Sent you a PM.

[ToMBoY_C]

For those interested in doing the mod:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/pall333alexandr/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

Nick PM replied!!

[nick.king]

For those interested in doing the mod:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/pall333alexandr/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686

Nick PM replied!!

Haha no wonder they were so difficult to find on eBay :)

I was using search criteria such as 'passat instrument cluster' 'passat speedo' 'passat speedometer'. Would have saved £10 or £20 though if I'd have waited.

[richiemac]

Nick, I just checked there and Toms right. I assumed you had gotten a wheel from a passat......my mistake. :o

[nick.king]

Nick, I just checked there and Toms right. I assumed you had gotten a wheel from a passat......my mistake. :o

To be honest I was told it was from a Passat and that's what I told you :)

Thanks for all your help.

[nick.king]

Airbag harness ordered, £37.20 including VAT, should be here Friday.

[ToMBoY_C]

Cool mate. Nice one

[nick.king]

Tom your message box is full :)

[ToMBoY_C]

Sorry matey, these are my 3 days on shift, been off for a week!! PM's cleared! :)

[Playya]

I have read this entire post and I am still confused.

I have a passat sport 56 plate with midline mfd. My question is this; can I fit a MFSW (from a passat 3C0 419 091 PUWW - old style)?
And...Do I need to get a new airbag harness or steering module or is it just a straight swop?
I am only interested in controlling my RNS 510 from it so I dont mind having to use the wiper stalk to control the mfd and I dont really want to install a highline mfd.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[manity]

check what steering module you have with VCDS it has to be highline for MFSW check the table below.

Control Module Part Number Software Level Variant LIN Version Notes
3C0-953-549-A SW 0010 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-B SW 0010 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-E SW 0015 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-H SW 0015 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-J SW 0010 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-K SW 0015 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-L SW 0010 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-M SW 0015 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-P SW 0015 N/A - -
3C0-953-549-AB SW 0020 N/A - -
3C0-953-549-AC SW 0020 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-AD SW 0020 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-AE SW 0020 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-AF SW 0020 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-AH SW 0030 Highline 2.0 -
3C0-953-549-AJ SW 0030 Highline 2.0 -
3C0-953-549-AK SW 0025 Highline 2.0 #2
3C0-953-549-AT SW 0025 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-BA SW 0025/0030 Midline -

[Playya]

check what steering module you have with VCDS it has to be highline for MFSW check the table below.

Control Module Part Number Software Level Variant LIN Version Notes
3C0-953-549-A SW 0010 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-B SW 0010 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-E SW 0015 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-H SW 0015 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-J SW 0010 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-K SW 0015 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-L SW 0010 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-M SW 0015 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-P SW 0015 N/A - -
3C0-953-549-AB SW 0020 N/A - -
3C0-953-549-AC SW 0020 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-AD SW 0020 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-AE SW 0020 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-AF SW 0020 Highline 1.3 -
3C0-953-549-AH SW 0030 Highline 2.0 -
3C0-953-549-AJ SW 0030 Highline 2.0 -
3C0-953-549-AK SW 0025 Highline 2.0 #2
3C0-953-549-AT SW 0025 Midline - -
3C0-953-549-BA SW 0025/0030 Midline -

Its a 3C0 953 549 J midline, so does that mean I cant have a MFSW without changing to a highline mfd? Or can I just change the module and keep my midline? In other words is it possible to have a midline mfd and a MFSW?

Thanks for your help

[manity]

yes you can still keep your mid display and the highline module will support your MFSW

[ToMBoY_C]

Am I correct in saying if you only have the midline MFD you cant skip tracks and radio stations as you cant flick it from computer to radio controller. Therefore you can only use the volume controls on the radio side of things...

[Playya]

yes you can still keep your mid display and the highline module will support your MFSW

So I need to get hold of a highline module then? If so which one or just any highline from your list? do you know roughly how much that would set me back?

Thanks again.

[manity]

not 100% sure if having a midline display would stop you skipping tracks and radio stations with mfsw. i have the newer 12 button mfsw and i can skip tracks and stations doesnt matter what the display is showing. couldnt advise you on the older 8 button mfsw.

as for modules im pretty sure for the 8 button mfsw you would need software version up to 0015. and 12 button mfsw version 0020 upwards.

[ash_pearce]

Another potentially silly question here...

I've read the thread and i cant find the exact answer so here goes,

I have the midline mfd with controls on the wiper stalk but dont have a mfsw.

I would like the full mfd highline clocks (and mfsw when moneys available)

I've found some clocks on the net part no. 3c0 920 971r (08 plate i think) for a good price and wanted to check before buying them. Can i fit them without a mfsw and control them with my wiper stalk? or do i need the mfsw too?

thanks in advance for any replies :)

[Tups1974]

I recently had the Highline MFD and MFSW done at the same time, in my case the company that did the upgrade disabled the control buttons at the end of the stalk, so that the MFSW would work. At a later date when we managed to track done the right part number, I had a new wiper stalk fitted with no control buttons to give the car that factory installed look.

I understand that the highline MFD will work with just the wiper stalk, in my wifes recent Touran it had the Higline MFD controlled by the wiper stalk which worked very well - but now we find that the MFSW makes life a bit easier.

[ash_pearce]

I understand that the highline MFD will work with just the wiper stalk, in my wifes recent Touran it had the Higline MFD controlled by the wiper stalk which worked very well - but now we find that the MFSW makes life a bit easier.

Thanks for your reply bud! I think i'll buy them and see what happens - worse case they can go on ebay and ill get my money back.

[ToMBoY_C]

Would you still be able to flick through the different menus with no menu button??

[Tups1974]

If memory serves me correctly you hold down the OK/Reset button on the bottom of the stalk for a few seconds, this brings up the menu in a list ie. Nav, Settings, telephone, Audio etc, you then have to use the up & down buttons to highlight the menu you wish to access and then press the OK/reset button again to access that set of options its long winded but works hence why the MFSW is so much easier with the highline MFD.

[bambamjj]

Sorry to hiujack this thread but i have a 2008 Passat B6 sport with highline MFD and 8 button MFSW.

Can anyone advise if this would a straight swap/plug and play without the need to exchange modules wiring harness etc.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vw-steering-wheel-scirocco-golf-v-vi-passat-eos-polo-/270778981729?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f0baf5d61

My current steering wheel looks like this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-STEERING-WHEEL-MULTI-FUNCTION-LEATHER-3-SPOKE-AIRBAG-/300582514054?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45fc1d2d86

Regards

Jon

[ash_pearce]

Not purchased the new clocks yet as i'm not sure about the connections on the back... mine has a black horizontal connection and the new ones appear to have a vertical blue connection? what's the crack with that?

[patomlin76]

If you wanted to upgrade your clocks to highline it would be easier to stick with clocks fitted up to early 2009. After that date they changed design and the connector at the back too...

Not sure if it's possible to rewire but I would just do what's easiest!

[ash_pearce]

also not quite on topic but - removed my clocks this morning to check the connection and when i refitted them and flipped the ignition on the check they still worked my fuel gauge is in the red (light on too) i'm sure i had a 1/4 tank before removing them.:confused:

Do i need to reconfig them with vcds? can't remember seeing and option to do so though?

[ash_pearce]

If you wanted to upgrade your clocks to highline it would be easier to stick with clocks fitted up to early 2009. After that date they changed design and the connector at the back too...

Not sure if it's possible to rewire but I would just do what's easiest!

I was told the one's i've been looking at are from an 08 plate but I think the chap must be wrong as all the others I've found have the same connection as mine upto as you say 09 ish. Thanks for your reply

[patomlin76]

No probs, I think the change in connection came with the change in design (2 large windows, no separate temp/fuel gauge windows) and also the change in colour (white dot highline)

[ash_pearce]

No probs, I think the change in connection came with the change in design (2 large windows, no separate temp/fuel gauge windows) and also the change in colour (white dot highline)

That makes sense now, thanks again!

[ash_pearce]

Not wanting to keep resurrecting an old thread but found this link (http://www.passat3c.info/cms_neu/index.php?page=890) which explains how to rewire to enable the fitting of the newer style white cluster in an older passat. ie older than 2009

Who's fancies a go?

its in German and will need translating (unless you can read German) - my browser does it automatically:p

[mercedeslimos]

I recently had the Highline MFD and MFSW done at the same time, in my case the company that did the upgrade disabled the control buttons at the end of the stalk, so that the MFSW would work. At a later date when we managed to track done the right part number, I had a new wiper stalk fitted with no control buttons to give the car that factory installed look.

I understand that the highline MFD will work with just the wiper stalk, in my wifes recent Touran it had the Higline MFD controlled by the wiper stalk which worked very well - but now we find that the MFSW makes life a bit easier.


Thread revival I know,

How did they disable the control buttons on the stalk? Physically or coding?

I have retrofitted MFSW but I think that the wiper stalk buttons are interfering with the wheel, and it won't let it change radio station or cd tracks with the wheel since the retrofit.