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elite0777
30-12-2010, 12:31 PM
Hi, I have searched but can't really find a definate answer but I have a bad feeling I have the wrong oil.
My Car is a 53 2003 A4 1.9tdi 130 sport and in the service schedule the sticker with the factory options starts with AVF ********.
Yesterday whilst out the min oil light came on the dis. So I pulled into Halfords as I was only a couple of mins away. I asked the guy at the counter what oil I needed gave the reg etc and he told me 5W-30 oil I asked if it was for PD engines. He shrugged and didn't seem to know so after looking at the various oils I noticed some had "with the exeption of pumpe duse Tdi". As I wasn't too far from a Audi dealer I rang them and asked first of all he said 5w-40 but when I told him halfords had told me 5w-30 he checked and said yes that was right. So I popped into the dealer and specifically asked if I had a pd engine. He took the car details and came back and told me I had a AVF engine and was not a pd engine. The oil he supplied me with is Mobil 1 ESP formula 5W-30 Fully synthetic on the rear it has recomended for applications requiring VW 502 00 503 00,503 01 505 00,506 00 adn 506 01 (all vw engines with exception of unit-injector/pumpe-duse tdi without longlife service and without DPF between 1999-2003 adn r5/v10-tdi before 2006.

Doing a search on here earlier I found the following post saying that the AVF engine is a pd engine. http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=75629&highlight=avf+engine+oil
On checking the dipstick the oil level was just below the hashed area and took roughly half a litre. Can someone give a definate anwswer on the right oil to use. I was looking at changing the oil every 10k in future.

danclyon
30-12-2010, 12:42 PM
Hi, I have searched but can't really find a definate answer but I have a bad feeling I have the wrong oil.
My Car is a 53 2003 A4 1.9tdi 130 sport and in the service schedule the sticker with the factory options starts with AVF ********.
Yesterday whilst out the min oil light came on the dis. So I pulled into Halfords as I was only a couple of mins away. I asked the guy at the counter what oil I needed gave the reg etc and he told me 5W-30 oil I asked if it was for PD engines. He shrugged and didn't seem to know so after looking at the various oils I noticed some had "with the exeption of pumpe duse Tdi". As I wasn't too far from a Audi dealer I rang them and asked first of all he said 5w-40 but when I told him halfords had told me 5w-30 he checked and said yes that was right. So I popped into the dealer and specifically asked if I had a pd engine. He took the car details and came back and told me I had a AVF engine and was not a pd engine. The oil he supplied me with is Mobil 1 ESP formula 5W-30 Fully synthetic on the rear it has recomended for applications requiring VW 502 00 503 00,503 01 505 00,506 00 adn 506 01 (all vw engines with exception of unit-injector/pumpe-duse tdi without longlife service and without DPF between 1999-2003 adn r5/v10-tdi before 2006.

Doing a search on here earlier I found the following post saying that the AVF engine is a pd engine. http://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=75629&highlight=avf+engine+oil
On checking the dipstick the oil level was jsut below the hashed area and took roughly half a litre. Can someone give a definate anwswer on the right oil to use. I was looking at changing the oil every 10k in future.

It's in the book, but you want oil that meets 507.00 - doesn't really matter whether you are on longlife or not, that's the latest oil standard that superseded the 505.01 that you'll find listed in the manual.

Cheers,
Dan.

elite0777
30-12-2010, 01:02 PM
It's in the book, but you want oil that meets 507.00 - doesn't really matter whether you are on longlife or not, that's the latest oil standard that superseded the 505.01 that you'll find listed in the manual.

Cheers,
Dan.

Just been looking through the books can't seem to find anything that makes sense.
Am I right in assuming the oil supplied is wrong? What possible effects could it have on the car? I'm due a oil change in roughly 4k

danclyon
30-12-2010, 02:42 PM
Just been looking through the books can't seem to find anything that makes sense.
Am I right in assuming the oil supplied is wrong? What possible effects could it have on the car? I'm due a oil change in roughly 4k

I've just dug the book out (as I knew it was in there but couldn't recall where!) - Section marked Performance, Weights and Dimensions. Pg 394 in mine is my engine (also an AVF) 96kw 4-cyl diesel engine, front wheel drive.

Under Capacities (approx 3.8l for both options):
Longlife Service - VW506.01
Fixed Intervat - VW505.01

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_ESP_Formula_5W-30.aspx

Suggests that this oil meets 507.00 which is the latest spec, also meeting Volkswagen* (Diesel) 505 01/ 505 00 / 506 00 / 506 01 - so it checks the box as being the right oil to the right spec for the book, and to the latest VW standards.

Don't worry about it - and anyway, even if it was wrong, the book says you can use the wrong grade up to 0.5l in an emergency anyway, but you haven't!

Hope that's useful,
Cheers,
Dan.

elite0777
30-12-2010, 03:13 PM
Hi Dan,

Thanks for looking I did see that section but to be honest I don't really understand the oil ratings. When the dealer told me it wasn't a pd engine then reading post that it was it threw me.

Cheers

benjie
30-12-2010, 04:44 PM
I have an AVF and I can tell you (as I suspect you now know) without a shadow of a doubt that it IS a PD engine.

(Just to be clear!)

elite0777
30-12-2010, 05:28 PM
I have an AVF and I can tell you (as I suspect you now know) without a shadow of a doubt that it IS a PD engine.

(Just to be clear!)

Thanks you would think that a dealer would give the correct info. This is where forums come in very useful.

danclyon
30-12-2010, 05:32 PM
Thanks you would think that a dealer would give the correct info. This is where forums come in very useful.

Yes, yes you would think they'd give the right information. For your own sanity, Audi's central customer service folks are very helpful (number on website) and they have all the records of all the info about your vehicle.....unless you know and trust the dealer, their performance can be a bit patchy!

I'm on my third and am now extremely happy, however the first two were right howlers...

Cheers,
Dan.