At What Mileage Did Your Injector Fail?

[rapport25]

Hi guys,

Due this being a bit of a common debate. May be worth adding your experiences to this thread. And sharring with everyone.

Example Rappy

2.0 Tdi 140 PD Sport 55 plate. Current Miles...........................

1st Injector failed at........miles/ date.......... cost £......................
2nd Injector failed at........miles/ date.......... cost £......................
3rd Injector failed at........miles/ date.......... cost £......................
4th Injector failed at........miles/ date.......... cost £......................
Loom replaced ........miles/ date.......... cost £......................

Just copy and paste the above. Rappy :approve:


Have added the option to this thread to report failures and still going strong :D

[andy4795]

My passat 2.0 tdi sport , first injector number 2 went at 104, 623 mls , replaced loom at same time, about 4 weeks later injector number 3 went at 105,550, now up at 107,000 and fingers crossed, no probs.

[rapport25]

Come on guys, pleae post your findings here. 45 views and only 1 reply:Blush2::Blush2:

Rappy

[Quatrelle]

Or could it be that of 45 (so far) Passat owners, only one has had the problem? It will be interesting to see the ratio of views to postings.

Tbh, I looked because I'm interested, but I've done less than 40,000kms (about 25k miles) in the four years I've had mine. If you can keep this thread open for a few years perhaps I'll be able to contribute.:(

I mentioned the problem to the 'Workshop manager' when I took mine in for its MoT and 40,000/4years service today. He made the comment that 'Forums are miserable places', so it's obvious he reads the French ones. He added the usual mantra that for every failure there are thousands that are ok. I suppose I should have asked him what VW France's attitude is, but I was more concerned that he would do the tracking for free, seeing as I wasn't entirely happy with the way the front tyres were wearing (the extended warranty expires in a week's time).

P.S. did you consider going down the Facebook route?

[Issac Hunt]

100k miles covered in various 2.0 TDI's - No injector failures at all!

[Chrisman]

BKP '05 70K and no probs at all.
Watch this space now I've said it. ;)

[newb1e]

BKP 56 plate 50k, no probs too! :p

let's make turn this thread into the opposite. :D

[rapport25]

BKP 55 Plate 65,000 miles and still going strong :approve::approve:

[newb1e]

it's about time we have a thread that shows there are lots of healthy passats about. :beerchug: before we all join the injector failure thread LOL :D

[rapport25]

it's about time we have a thread that shows there are lots of healthy passats about. :beerchug: before we all join the injector failure thread LOL :D

Totally agree :approve::D.

I can honestly say after having my passat for nearly a year it has been 100% reliable:approve::approve: I'm due to change the Sat next year but apart of me thinks I should keep it. I have never had a car that has been trouble free.

[newb1e]

Totally agree :approve::D.

I can honestly say after having my passat for nearly a year it has been 100% reliable:approve::approve: I'm due to change the Sat next year but apart of me thinks I should keep it. I have never had a car that has been trouble free.

change it to a CR. same car but more reliable. the prices will come down next year. good timing. I know i would.

[rapport25]

change it to a CR. same car but more reliable. the prices will come down next year. good timing. I know i would.

I would not buy another Passat. Still cant believe how far behind VW are with there engines. My 10 yr old Peugeot had a CR diesel unit and only the last 2 yrs VW launch one!!! Makes no sense to me at all. One thing you cant knock Peugeot for there diesel engines:approve:. My Peugeot Hdi was a lot quieter and refined than my PD.

[yus786]

BKP '07 52K and no problems at all.

[newb1e]

good lad. another happy owner. :beerchug:

[Stuart W]

The title of the thread put me off answering a bit, because it seems to only require an answer from those with failures rather than those that are reliable.

But my 06 2.0 TDi has had no problems at 122,000 :approve:

In fact apart from a hesitation on acceleration caused by a leaking fuel filter housing (replaced under warranty) the engine has been like a Swiss watch.

I don't normally like saying these things in case it tempts fate, but it might provide some reassurance to some, because the injector issue has always been a worry, along with one or two other things. Or three. Or four :mad:

[steve cal]

2006 2.0 SE with 65,000 miles no problems and runs like a dream.

[rapport25]

The title of the thread put me off answering a bit, because it seems to only require an answer from those with failures rather than those that are reliable.

But my 06 2.0 TDi has had no problems at 122,000 :approve:

In fact apart from a hesitation on acceleration caused by a leaking fuel filter housing (replaced under warranty) the engine has been like a Swiss watch.

I don't normally like saying these things in case it tempts fate, but it might provide some reassurance to some, because the injector issue has always been a worry, along with one or two other things. Or three. Or four :mad:

I tried to edit main post but it wont allow it :(.

Its good to hear there are healthy Sat's :approve:

[Georgealbert]

1st failure at 132k and second failure 133k!:zx11: I'm gutted, my first Volkswaggon and I've lost my street cred having been rescued twice in a month.:mad:

[lc25]

Had one so far at 47k, 2006 BKP

[popin]

2006 BKP 1st number1 @ 121K cost £700 including wiring loom (VW Indy) 2nd number 4 @ 121,500k £378 no wiring loom job done by myself.

[turbo2turbo]

1.9 se dont know the engine code but 163977 no problems with injectors, turbo and camshaft have both gone tho

[steve cal]

Does anyone know if VW use these injectors alone or does Audi or other German makers use the same ones?

[richball65]

Hi, new to the forum, so hello to everyone. Can anyone describe what happens to the car when the injector fails?

Mine broke down on the motorway yesterday, it displayed "engine fault" - Garage ( I say broke down, I was actually doing 80 in the outside lane and it just died)

It shut down completely then refused to start.

Got it in a local independent at the moment who has found up to now a fault code showing electrical fault to injectors

Any ideas?????

Cheers

[martin1810]

Get the exact code and post it. That does sound like injector failure. It always comes up as an electrical fault to an injector.

[Conrad83]

depends from - what oil you use and how often you change it.many peoples think that they can drive cars with diesel engines like it is petrol(speed up few seconds after they start engine when is cold).so if you want keep your diesel engine live long let it warm up before you put your foot down.and before you switch your engine off let the turbo cool down for minute or two!that is the way to increase diesel engine life.

[richball65]

The bloke at the garage didn't tell me what code came up, but can find out. Turns out that injectors 1 & 3 have failed. Hope to pick it up tomorrow, been lost without my pride and joy. It's just clocked 90k.

Does anyone think the adverse weather could have caused the premature failure of the injectors. Recently been on the M6 near Shap with the outside temp reading
-14. Got to be at least -30 with the windchill at motorway speeds. What temp do VW test their cars at ??

Rich

[yorkie2]

Sorry unable to fill out table, mine is 57 plate 2.0i estate. Had the joy of multiple failures, just waiting on collecting the full set.

From recollection:
inj 3 after 40k
inj 2 after 50k
inj 4 after 60k

I don't drive mental, steady away, getting 50mpg.

Luckily its a company car so costs, inconvenience are less (or none existent)

Generally not happy with Passat experience, certainly would be much less happy if it were all my own money.

Cheers

YK2

[rapport25]

I think this thread should be sticky. Mod please can you help?

[Stuart W]

Sorry unable to fill out table, mine is 57 plate 2.0i estate. Had the joy of multiple failures, just waiting on collecting the full set.

From recollection:
inj 3 after 40k
inj 2 after 50k
inj 4 after 60k



Gulp.

I know this has been asked before, but is there any mileage(!) in replacing all the injectors if one goes?

OK, you wouldn't necessarily save any on the price of the parts, but presumably there's a good bit of labour included in the replacement cost which would be avoided if all four were done at the same time? And that's not to mention the hassle, maybe lost income if you're a taxi driver (say) and towtruck costs.

Or are these multiple failures the exeption rather than the norm? But it does seem to be the case that when one goes a lot of people.

Of course, other factors such as how long you intend keeping the car come into play, and since I can't currently make up my mind about whether to dump the Passat or try to keep it for another three years it's the kind of thing I'm always thinking about.

(My Passat is a taxi which will be eight years old in three years time, thus too old to be licensed by my council at that point. I drive it myself thus don't do a lot of miles by taxi standards and don't work round the clock, so mileage at that time would be around 200,000)

[rapport25]

Gulp.

I know this has been asked before, but is there any mileage(!) in replacing all the injectors if one goes?

OK, you wouldn't necessarily save any on the price of the parts, but presumably there's a good bit of labour included in the replacement cost which would be avoided if all four were done at the same time? And that's not to mention the hassle, maybe lost income if you're a taxi driver (say) and towtruck costs.

Or are these multiple failures the exeption rather than the norm? But it does seem to be the case that when one goes a lot of people.

Of course, other factors such as how long you intend keeping the car come into play, and since I can't currently make up my mind about whether to dump the Passat or try to keep it for another three years it's the kind of thing I'm always thinking about.

(My Passat is a taxi which will be eight years old in three years time, thus too old to be licensed by my council at that point. I drive it myself thus don't do a lot of miles by taxi standards and don't work round the clock, so mileage at that time would be around 200,000)

Stuart, thats a valid point. Where has the guy gone that could repair them?

[Parkerknoll]

06 TDI SE 140 BKP

72,000 and No.4 Injector on its way out. Citygate generously offered to sort it for £1124 and fit a new cam belt for £429. £140 per hour and they can't seem to identify a perfectly good 5 month old cam belt!!

After our 2 experiences with VW Group I think we'll be dealing with an independent to fix and then getting shot double quick. Unfortunately not a car we've enjoyed owning and will be in no rush to buy another VW, our 7 year old Audi A4 is still a joy thankfully.

[martin1810]

How can you know No. 4 injector is going to fail ?

[Parkerknoll]

How can you know No. 4 injector is going to fail ?

Had a diagnostic by VW and error message on injector 4, advised replacement by VW, car is still running but revs up and down and a cloud of smoke trailing from exhaust. I'm no expert, or talented amateur, but reading forum would seem its a goner.

[martin1810]

I wonder what the fault code was. B6 injectors usually fail wnen the electric circuit fails and you wouldn't get a warning telling you injector 4 was about to fail. The engine would just stop. Yours sounds like it could be a mechanical injector fault which might show for one injector but is quite rare on this engine.

[Parkerknoll]

I wonder what the fault code was. B6 injectors usually fail wnen the electric circuit fails and you wouldn't get a warning telling you injector 4 was about to fail. The engine would just stop. Yours sounds like it could be a mechanical injector fault which might show for one injector but is quite rare on this engine.

I had wondered about the fact the car was still running. If it were a mechanical fault would this be any better news than a fail? Appreciate your feedback, have read most of your comments regarding injector issues over the past few days with this model and have to say you're partly to blame for my downer on the Marque :biglaugh:. Thanks again for your feedback on this, it's due to go in this week to my local indie for further investigation and this will all help me understand a little more about the issue. Cheers.

[gingernut352000]

I posted in another injector post but mine failed on CYL 4 at 75300 miles electrical fault the injector had gone to earth. 767 to replace inc the loom which the mechanic recomended.

[martin1810]

The ecu doesn't know which injector has failed when it develops an electrical fault because they are wired in pairs. The fact that an injector flags a mechanical fault doesn't mean it is faulty. An injector can carry on working fine despite throwing up the odd fault code. This is fairly normal for PD injectors. The injectors in these cars are not unreliable. Just think how many cars have never had a fault. The owners don't come on here and complain about their lack of faults do they.

[Charlie Chan]

56 plate passat. Injector failed at 80k

[Parkerknoll]

Update on our situation for what it's worth. Took car in to Marlow VW prior to sale to get to bottom of injector/glow plug issue. Seems that wrong glow plugs had been fitted and wiring loom damaged and this was at the root of problem, all replaced and car ran sweeter than ever it had during our ownership. Would seem a thumbs up on injectors for now but a major thumbs down to Citygate, our local VW ***********, who were more than happy to charge £140 an hour to replace a part that was apparently faultless. Thanks to VW Marlow and good wishes to our Passat's new owners, I trust they get a few years hassle free motoring from the car and find themselves good independent support.

[martin1810]

Update on our situation for what it's worth. Took car in to Marlow VW prior to sale to get to bottom of injector/glow plug issue. Seems that wrong glow plugs had been fitted and wiring loom damaged and this was at the root of problem, all replaced and car ran sweeter than ever it had during our ownership. Would seem a thumbs up on injectors for now but a major thumbs down to Citygate, our local VW ***********, who were more than happy to charge £140 an hour to replace a part that was apparently faultless. Thanks to VW Marlow and good wishes to our Passat's new owners, I trust they get a few years hassle free motoring from the car and find themselves good independent support.

This is very common because most motor factors sell the wrong glowplugs...it is explained on my site.

[Axlebanger]

Only had the car a couple of months so dont know if any died previously but just had a failure of an injector at 168,300 miles. Don't have a cost yet but hope to be covered by the second hand car dealers warranty (which they have confirmed verbally). Will find out more tomorrow.

[tigertank]

Bought my '06 tdi se estate on 29thapril, at garage(thankfully iunder warranty ) for a replacement injector at 89K
Would prevent car from starting and would flash glow plug lamp with error messge.
will let you know which one when i pick the car up. Thankfully we also have a '57 Morris minor on the drive when the modern stuff gives up!

[Goughie]

Come on guys, pleae post your findings here. 45 views and only 1 reply:Blush2::Blush2:

Rappy

Hi, this is my first post. I run a 2006 2.0 TDI as a Private Hire car. Bought it with 3500 mls on the clock and aged nearly 4 years. Yes it had stood awhile. At six thou, BOTH ecu quit. VW fixed it for just shy of a grand. At 32500 mls without warning, masses of blue smoke, into limp mode then stopped, engine would not turnover, sump appeared dry. This event lasted about 2 minutes. My very reliable indie says he thinks it could have been the injectors so Im hoping the turbo and engine have survived. Any one had similar?

Goughie

[martin1810]

When the turbo seals fail, you get lots of smoke as the engine oil is blown out. This results in an empty sump. If this is the case the turbo is finished. It doesn't sound like an injector fault

[dunkley201]

Just had my No 2 injector fail at 43,181 miles. Replaced FOC by dealer (plus loom) with 100% VW goodwill. Now seriously considering my options before the remaining 3 fail!

[Goughie]

"When the turbo seals fail, you get lots of smoke as the engine oil is blown out. This results in an empty sump. If this is the case the turbo is finished. It doesn't sound like an injector fault"

The turbo was my first choice of culprit but it seems there was lots of diesel in the sump after the event and this led to the opinion about the injectors. As soon as I have more solid info I will post again. Thanks Martin.

[haggis1972]

Hi my passat is a 2006 140 pd the first injector failed at 142350 miles had a recon that has since failed twice in 2500 miles
cant seem to keep it running keep getting fault codes on number 2 so i think that is imminent as well!!

[tigertank]

Bought my '06 tdi se estate on 29thapril, at garage(thankfully iunder warranty ) for a replacement injector at 89K
Would prevent car from starting and would flash glow plug lamp with error messge.
will let you know which one when i pick the car up. Thankfully we also have a '57 Morris minor on the drive when the modern stuff gives up!

The catalogue of calamity continues with this sorry excuse of a vehicle.
After the injector was replaced, the car continued to fault with the glow plug light flashing. This was eventually traced to a faulty steering lock solenoid module. The car continued to smoke until it was up to 90 degrees on the temp guage.
This has been logged with the selling dealer, and the workshop. It went back on 5th July, and it is now the turbocharger impeller bearing with excess play. I now have the uphill battle with the warranty company whose engineer says that it is a wear and tear issue.

I have told the dealer that i reserve the right to reject the car, but in the mean time it is all at an impasse. i am understandably not prepared to reach into my pocket to the tune of £900+vat on a car I have owned for 2 months.(Garret pattern unit(i understand they make them for VAG anyhow))

I have written to the warranty co, they would not entertain a face to face meeting!(world of warranty based in my home town of Cheltenham)

Can anybody advise on the legalities of vehicle rejection. I am lamenting part exing my old faithful dog (R75 CDT) for this liability on wheels.

Whilst I understand that people come to forums like this to whinge, it does seem like '06 B6 passat tdi 140BKPs are as brittle as glass.
It seems likely that my car may also be in the frame for the oilpump/balancer shaft problem.
I wonder if Crasher would be so kind to check my vin/eng no below and advise.
Vin no. WVWZZZ3CZ6E212383 Eng no BKP112167.

[spako]

I bought 2006 (07 model) Passat SE TDI 2.0 140 BKP 87k a month ago and so far no major issues with it (not sure if it had any injector problems before though). VCDS shows no faults. Engine readouts appended to the sticky post.

I would love to see VW doing a recall for injectors issue.

[hotjamesall]

57 Plate 170 (BMR engine). Injector 4 failed at 51400 miles. FVWSH.
Dealer replaced inj 4 + loom. Wouldn't start. Replaced remain 3 injectors. Wouldn't start. Replaced ECU. All now OK.
100% goodwill from VW (would have cost approx £3k +vat).
Took 1 week to sort out. Many phone calls to dealer and VW customer care but never any reluctance from VW to pay. Just quite slow communication between the dealer and VW.

[d_onions]

Oct 2005/55 plate 2.0tdi 140 Sport with full VWSH.
125000 miles when one injector failed last month.
Via VW Customer Care, diagnosis costs, all 4 injectors and loom replaced without charge.
Back on the road within 1 week.
Good service, however I'd still argue that something like this should be the subject of a recall as the consequences of this known and common problem could be disasterous...