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    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    The last I heard it had been reduced to 40k or 4 years.
    That doesn't surprise me.

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    Some clarity would be nice, but I doubt we'll ever get it as they change their minds so much!
    Again, that don't surprise me. Clarity from VW service departments seems to be lacking in their vocabulary.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    I'd rather get it done more often to be safe than push my luck.
    Very wise, and sensible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutonic_Tamer View Post
    Er hello - welcome to the real world of business! That is what happens in the commercial world, doncha know!



    No, Castrol get business from VAG owning Joe Public on the sole grounds that Castrol produce a wide range of lubricants, some of which were soley developed for VAG product requirements. Castrol also get business from the general public on the grounds that Castrol is deemed to be a high quality, highly dependable product, and a product which is regularly tested to extremes, and continuously developed, on a global scale in global and domestic forms of motorsport and aviation (Formua 1, WRC, BTCC, MotoGP, WSB, BSB, RedBull AirRace). And yes, they use marketing to their advantage, just like any organisation would!



    No - individual franchises are free to choose their suppliers of bulk oils from whoever they like.



    The Castrol "stuff", which has the appropriate VW approvals, is very good, and I would go as far to say superior than others, because Castrol was the sole technical lubricants partner to VAG. If Castrol can't make the perfect oil to meet the VAG standard which was jointly developed between VAG and Castrol, then nobody can!



    Erm, I'm afraid you are very misguided. Firstly, the VAG PD TDI engines have an extremely strict and demanding requirement from their engine oil. The use of a non-PD approved oil WILL cause engine damage to the camshafts and unit injectors. Secondly, any engine damage or failure from issues relating lubrication during the warranty period, VAG will insist on an oil sample to be submitted for detailed analysis. Any oil found not to meet the required VW oil standard WILL have the warranty claim REJECTED. There is independent documentary evidence to this effect available in the public domain.



    In most respects, you are very, very wrong. Go and read the sticky thread, in full, on oil labeling https://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/s...ead.php?t=1482. This was started by "oilman" who is a trader - he refused to answer any of my comments in the last post of the thread. There are basically two types of tests - the "generic" specifications for all makes, such as the API and ACEA standards, which can be carried out in any accredited laboratory (which could even be the oil companies own lab). There are then the manufacturer specific or OEM approvals - in most cases (VAG definately) these tests can ONLY be carried out by the manufactures own lab.



    No - Mobil do NOT have any current VAG LongLife approval (there is a very new Mobil ESP oil which they claim has the latest 504.00, 507.00 standards). The "standard" Mobil 1 you get from ********* or elsewhere has a number of un-proved and un-tested claims. I'll give the full detail of true and fake approvals for you: Mobil 1 does have a viscosity of 0W40 as tested by the SAE, it does have the API performance classification of SL/CF, it does have the performance quality classifications of ACEA A3, B3, B4. These are all generic standards. Then there are the fake, untested and unproven manufacturer OEM standards - it claims to "meet" the VW standards 502.00, 505.00, 503.01 - this is a fake and false claim, because VW (the ONLY people who can grant these standards) have NEVER approved any Mobil oil to these standards. Then there is the General Motors/Vauxhall/Opel longlife standards LL-A-025, LL-B-025 - again, never been tested, approved or certified by GM, the same with the claim of the BMW longlife-01 standard, the Porsche OEM approval and the SAAB oem approval - all fake and NOT certified.

    But hey - if you wanna ruin you nice Audi engine, then fine - just don't tell others on this forum to do so!



    Again, you are very wrong and very misguided.

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    So you agree with me that Castrol and VAG calaborated together to make the recomended oil. I'm not saying Mobil 1 is better or Castrol isn't. But if I took your post to the letter and the only oil to put in a Vag engine is Castrol Edge then you would see alot of VAG cars in the scrapper as I can bet you that when a VAG car is serviced away from the dealer that Castrol Edge will not always be used or infact a non VAG approved oil.

    But your post has given me food for thought, maybe I'll some some Edge stuff next time as the VAG engine doesn't have a large oil capacity thus only one bottle is needed.

    One question though, if Castrol is the only approved oil, why does it only state the relevant numbers in the handbook, which you say are fake on other brands, when it should say only use Castrol? Just wondering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Avant View Post
    So you agree with me that Castrol and VAG calaborated together to make the recomended oil.
    No - you did NOT state that Castrol and VAG collaborated. That was MY statement. You merely stated "Castrol and Vag will have a contract to suit them both" - there is nothing in your statement about the OEM partnership, which I described!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Avant View Post
    I'm not saying Mobil 1 is better or Castrol isn't.
    And I never stated that either. What I did state was Castrol has a range of oils tested and approved by VW for a wide range of VAG applications. Mobil 1 has no VW approvals. Therefore, as this forum relates directly to VW and Audi products, and indirectly to all marques within the VAG stable, it is perfectly reasonable to state that Castrol are better than Mobil, for that main reason of OEM testing and approval.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Avant View Post
    But if I took your post to the letter and the only oil to put in a Vag engine is Castrol Edge
    Please do not misquote me. I never said the only oil for a VAG engine was Castrol. I stated that Castrol was the sole OEM partner with VAG to develop the required VW standards. There are a whole range of other lubricants manufacturers who have since blended oils to the required standard, and then submitted them to the VW labs for testing and accreditation. Mobil 1 was NOT submitted to VW for testing and approval!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Avant View Post
    then you would see alot of VAG cars in the scrapper as I can bet you that when a VAG car is serviced away from the dealer that Castrol Edge will not always be used or infact a non VAG approved oil.
    Firstly, it is the PD TDIs which have the most demanding requirements of their oil. Secondly, the PD TDIs did have clear guidance in their manuals of the specific oil requirements. Thirdly, I would hazzard a guess that a vast majority of modern VWs still get serviced at a franchised dealer (VW owners tend to be more loyal to their main dealers than say Ford, Vauxhall or Rover). Lastly, as I have previously stated, there are a number of reported PD engine failures from incorrect oils in the public domain - and I would suggest that those failures reported are merely a tiny proportion of the true numbers. Not every VAG PD TDI owner logs onto VWAudiForum.co.uk (though Stuart probably wishes they did ), or similar boards, nor do they read the motoring mags on a regular basis. The simple fact is that those who do suffer engine damage from the wrong oil are told of their mistakes and simply pay-up for the garage to carry out the repair with no more questions being asked!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Avant View Post
    But your post has given me food for thought, maybe I'll some some Edge stuff next time as the VAG engine doesn't have a large oil capacity thus only one bottle is needed.

    One question though, if Castrol is the only approved oil, why does it only state the relevant numbers in the handbook, which you say are fake on other brands, when it should say only use Castrol? Just wondering.
    Castrol would be my personal recommendation, based on the fact they were the "orginal" OEM brew - they are not the only approved oil. As I mention earlier in this answer, other oil companies have the required VW standard, BP, Elf, Q8, Motul, Total and Fuchs all have legitimate VW approvals. The only "fake" oil is Mobil 1, an oil originating from America, where marketing takes presidence over the truth!

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    Um, with all due respect gentlemen, this post is about cambelt intervals, not oil. Can we keep to the subject? I'm still interested in the 'history' behind the oils, but perhaps it would be best suited to a 'sticky' somewhere. That way people can find it easily and read it before making their choice of oil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    Um, with all due respect gentlemen, this post is about cambelt intervals, not oil.
    The "title" of the thread may be cam belt interval, but lucifer, the OP, also asked about the proper oil for his motor too

    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    Can we keep to the subject?
    We are - sort of. What else about cam belt intervals would you like to know Huw????

    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    I'm still interested in the 'history' behind the oils,
    Fascinating, innit!

    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    but perhaps it would be best suited to a 'sticky' somewhere. That way people can find it easily and read it before making their choice of oil...
    There is a sticky - from the forum start page (https://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/index.php), > "Technical Section" (https://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/f...play.php?f=28), > "Maintenance, Problems & Misc Parts Questions" (https://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/f...play.php?f=29), > "Oil labelling explained" (https://www.vwaudiforum.co.uk/forum/s...ad.php?t=1482), 5-star rated too! I put the linky in post #19 too.

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    Yadda yadda yadda...
    Forgive me, but I'm of the opinion 'one thread, one question'. I feel it makes it easier when people are searching for stuff. Then again, I'm off topic now!
    Must be a bit of a purist at heart...

    P.s. with regards 'what else about cambelt intervals' I'd like to know. I'd love to read about factors that ACTUALLY affect the intervals. That is, production techniques, materials, environmental conditions, style of driving, engine mods etc...
    Best in another thread though! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huweth View Post
    Yadda yadda yadda...
    Forgive me, but I'm of the opinion 'one thread, one question'. I feel it makes it easier when people are searching for stuff. Then again, I'm off topic now!
    Must be a bit of a purist at heart...

    P.s. with regards 'what else about cambelt intervals' I'd like to know. I'd love to read about factors that ACTUALLY affect the intervals. That is, production techniques, materials, environmental conditions, style of driving, engine mods etc...
    Best in another thread though! lol
    My mind wanders, it must be my age . . . now what were we talking about . . .
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