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  1. A4 Cabriolet Key Programming Issues - Immo Part of cluster or separate? 
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    Hello,

    So turns out my Audi B7 Cabriolet, is actually a B6 Cabriolet. Whoops. Apparently the light clusters are slightly different on the B7 Cabriolet. I can't actually decide which I prefer more at the moment.... the B7 is more aggressive looking, whereas the B6 is more refined looking.

    Anyway, I'm slowly wading through the electrical faults and I've fixed quite a few already.... however my K-Line was jammed and to 'unjam it', I did the standard "unplug until yay" process resulting in me removing the Sat Nav unit in the boot which looks like it might have suffered a bit of water ingress in the socket. I've not reinstalled it yet as I don't need it currently.... but the only reason I mention this, is because I am now trying to programme a key.... something I've done on an A4 Saloon with no problem at all, yet I'm struggling.

    I obtained my 4 digit Pin using VAG Commander, as I have before and verified it using the Engine Module in VCDS.

    However, on VCDS, when I go into Instruments - Login is totally greyed out. You can view adaptation and all that stuff, but I can't login and that is, of course, required for key matching.... on an A4 B6 Saloon.... However, I've just been reading up and it turns out some cars have a separate immo which means you have to programme key fobs slightly differently, in the Immo settings. I'm a bit cautious about messing around in the Immo, I've seen people brick their Immo's when being careless, even in VCDS.

    Does the B6 Cabrio have a separate Immo to the Cluster? Edit: I can confirm, it's part of the instrument cluster.

    I honestly can't and don't see why it should/would, but then the Ross Tech website says Cabrio's do.... but my understanding is the original Cabrio title is used more commonly to refer to the 1992-2002 Cabrio.

    I've attached an Auto-Scan, feel free to pop up with any suggestions as I'm a bit baffled here...

    The reason I mentioned removing the Sat Nav module. This code: 01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System comes up quite a few times, however from reading online, this might just be a byproduct of disconnecting the Sat Nav module in the boot and potentially causing my issues? The other code that worries me is this bad boy under radio: 01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285) however, if its just radio, I fail to see the issue?

    Before anyone mentions the air con fault.... it's too cold to bloody test if it actually works or not The ECON button is not permanently lit though.

    Code:
    VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.0Friday, 14 December 2018, 07:35:58:0
    
    
    
    
    Chassis Type: 8H - Audi Cabrio B6/B7
    Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,0F,11,15,16,17,18,26,36,37,45,46,55,56,57,63,65,67,73,75,76,77
     
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 01: Engine       Labels: Redir Fail!
       Controller: 8E0 909 518 AL
       Component: 1.8L R4/5VT         0003
       Coding: 0011504
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    No fault code found.
    Readiness: 0010 1001
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 8E0-614-517.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 614 517 
       Component: ABS/ESP front       4529
       Coding: 04475
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    No fault code found.
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 8E0-820-043.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 820 043 AK
       Component:   A4 Klimaautomat   2731
       Coding: 00100
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    2 Faults Found:
    00716 - Air recirculation Flap Positioning Motor (V113)
                41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
    00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
                07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 09: Cent. Elect.       Labels: 8E0-907-279-8E2.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 907 279 F
       Component: int. Lastmodul  RDW 0517
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    No fault code found.
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 8H0-959-655-84.LBL
       Controller: 8H0 959 655 D
       Component: Airbag 8.4EC        0015
       Coding: 0011104
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    No fault code found.
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 16: Steering wheel       Labels: 8E0-953-549.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 953 549 S
       Component: Lenksáulenmodul     0611
       Coding: 01011
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    No fault code found.
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8E2.LBL
       Controller: 8H0 920 980 P
       Component: KOMBI+WFS 3     H12 0020
       Coding: 0000401
       Shop #: WSC 00999
    No fault code found.
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 26: Auto Roof       Labels: 8H0-959-255.LBL
       Controller: 8H0 959 255 
       Component:  VSG  B6 CABRIO     6389
       Coding: 0000000
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    1 Fault Found:
    00470 - Combination comfort Databus in Single Wire
                000 -  -
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 45: Inter. Monitor       Labels: 8E0-951-177.LBL
       Controller: 8H0 951 178 
       Component: Innenraumueberw.   0411
       Coding: 00001
       Shop #: WSC 00000
    2 Faults Found:
    01350 - Alarm via Theft Warning System; Rear
                43-00 - Closed
    01349 - Alarm via Theft Warning System; Front
                43-00 - Closed
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.LBL
       Controller: 8H0 959 433 F
       Component: Komfortgerát T3B    3320
       Coding: 06795
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    1 Fault Found:
    01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
                80-00 - Single-Wire Operation
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 56: Radio       Labels: 8E0-035-1xx-56.LBL
       Controller: 8E0 035 186 N
       Component: concert II  GRO    0004
       Coding: 13011
       Shop #: WSC 00672
    2 Faults Found:
    01300 - Control Module for Navigation with CD-Rom (J401)
                49-00 - No Communications
    01317 - Control Module in Instrument Cluster (J285)
                49-10 - No Communications - Intermittent
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 63: Entry Assist,D       Labels: None
       Controller: 8H0 959 760 A
       Component: EasyEntry F   H13   0010
       Coding: 00005
       Shop #: WSC 00065
    1 Fault Found:
    01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
                80-00 - Single-Wire Operation
    
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Address 73: Entry Assist, P       Labels: None
       Controller: 8H0 959 760 A
       Component: EasyEntry BF  H13   0010
       Coding: 00005
       Shop #: WSC 00065
    1 Fault Found:
    01336 - Data Bus for Comfort System
                80-00 - Single-Wire Operation
    Hopefully, someone anyone, can help
    Last edited by Skezza; 14-12-2018 at 02:19 PM.
     
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  2. Re: A4 Cabriolet Key Programming Issues - Immo Part of cluster or separate? 
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    No luck yet, key is cut, but simply cannot login...

    I'm slightly concerned that perhaps the Instrument cluster has been replaced. This one is colour screen, whereas apparently B6 Cab's came with just monochrome??? I've always thought the cluster looked a tad too new for the car, but that might be over simplifying it.

    Edit: bit of searching, it's called a Bosch RB4/RB8 apparently? Wonder how I can find out which.....
     
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    Have you looked under the battery under the bonnet to see if there is water swishing around, in conjunction with that check your passenger footwell under the carpet is it wet ? as there is a big module that causes numerous electrical faults in there especially when its wet.

    regarding your instruments, if you have satnav they do come with colour DIS especially the RNS-D and RNS-E,

    do you already have a key that unlocks the immobiliser as if you do then the problem you are encountering is unlikely to be caused by the instruments.

    have you tried deleting all codes and maybe a battery reset ?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpool1974 View Post
    Have you looked under the battery under the bonnet to see if there is water swishing around, in conjunction with that check your passenger footwell under the carpet is it wet ? as there is a big module that causes numerous electrical faults in there especially when its wet.

    regarding your instruments, if you have satnav they do come with colour DIS especially the RNS-D and RNS-E,

    do you already have a key that unlocks the immobiliser as if you do then the problem you are encountering is unlikely to be caused by the instruments.

    have you tried deleting all codes and maybe a battery reset ?
    Thanks for your reply. Honestly, I've not tried much. I only bought the vehicle about 2 weeks ago and I was driving a dirty diesel Passat until yesterday, in-which I finally got round to dropping that back with my brother in law. Now that I'm driving it everyday, I'll aim to fix as much as I can, as quickly as possible

    I'll have a look under the battery. I didn't realise water could find its way into there.... mind you, I didn't realise it could find it's way into the boot, but it clearly has from all the green crud on the Sat Nav plugs. I'll definitely check the passenger footwell. I don't think it's wet, but it's always worth a try.

    Ahh, well I learn something everyday. I thought I had seen Monochrome DIS with RNS, but perhaps that's VW's?

    Yes, I have a single key that works fine. Interestingly though, when I put the non-programmed key in, everything shows up as expected on VCDS like the fact it's not authorised to start the car, however there is no immobiliser light on my cluster. I'm 100% certain my B6 Saloon flashed this when I tried and failed to start with the wrong key.... not sure if that matters though?

    I'll clear all the codes and disconnect the battery terminal for 15 minutes.... Is this the best way to do a battery reset or do people still suggest touching the positive and negative lead together to drain any residual current??
     
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    Just disconnect terminals dont touch them together the modules will reset after a few minutes then put back terminals back on.

    Have you got the stereo code just in case it asks you for it ?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackpool1974 View Post
    Just disconnect terminals dont touch them together the modules will reset after a few minutes then put back terminals back on.

    Have you got the stereo code just in case it asks you for it ?
    I'll give it a punt.

    I don't have the radio code, but I've already disconnected it a few times already when I was trying to discover what was jamming up the K-Line and it's not come back asking for the code. How long does it have to be disconnected before the code message appears? Is there an easy way to obtain it.
     
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    That dash panel has been upgraded and modified about four times, the exchange program on the original unit has been stopped (I wonder why ) and now it is only available as a full new panel at £1200... I strongly recommend one of those is programmed in only using ODIS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    That dash panel has been upgraded and modified about four times, the exchange program on the original unit has been stopped (I wonder why ) and now it is only available as a full new panel at £1200... I strongly recommend one of those is programmed in only using ODIS.
    You're kidding so you wouldn't even recommend using a full VCDS because I know someone in the area with the software. I only have 409.1. Can I buy ODIS or is it worth taking it somewhere? I've got the key cut and I have the pin but I would prefer to do it myself if I can. I don't mind buying equipment you get to keep it lol

    I mean the alternative is i get the transponder cloned but that seems really nasty
     
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    I have full VCDS, CAN Commander and VCP but I have always had a huge struggle matching new dashes, key chips and ECU’s, to such an extent we decided to turn down jobs requiring this and only getting involved if the requirement came up during a job. A few years ago I decided to invest in ODIS and obtain the security level to use GEKO which automatically matches the components over tinterweb. Getting full ODIS capability was a long haul involving letters from our accountant and solicitor so we could gain an official VAG repairer number (global user ID) allowing us access to the international dealer portal. When all this was set up I bought a heavy duty laptop, metal cased, as I have a bad track record with laptops, getting through around one a year as using ODIS with a proper VAS tester is mind blowing money, thousands. The lap top you use has to be loaded with the the huge software downloads (just over 30 Gig), which are tedious and unreliable to do and you then have to request an ODIS licence. When setting it up you have to license each one of the VAG brands you want access to. After all this I bought myself a cheap chinky VAS 5154+ dongle and installed the drivers, eventually I managed to get logged in and start learning but the system was very erratic. A new software version came out so I downloaded it BUT discovered that to install the update you have to strip the lap top clean of any sign of ODIS and for me this meant a factory rest of my lap top, apparently the proper VAS machine does not require this and updates are easier, including regenerating all four licences. Then I found the new update recognised my 5154+ was a clone and I could not find a way around this so had to admit defeat and bought the cheapest genuine solution from TPS which is a VAS6154 base station, this was a shade under £1k. This transformed the way ODIS worked, it was a revelation. That was six months ago, on Wednesday the VAS6154 dongle was plugged into a 2014 S6 which was generating a funny fault code VCDS didn’t help with (yes I still use VCDS as it is quick) and it suddenly went ballistic, twittering like a Parrot on crack and flashing its lights like a Christmas tree and I have yet to resolve this. Ohh I forgot to mention the access to ODIS costs 10 Euro per hour or you can have a full years access for 1760 Euro..... per brand! Another pain is that to use ODIS you have to go into erWin for the brand you are working on and purchase the “period of validity” and then plug into the car and wait whilst ODIS opens and detects the car, at which point the validity timer starts to roll down and about 15 minutes later you can start to work, at least if you time runs out it does not kick you out UNLESS you go out of range of your internet connection such as on a test drive. Still if you fancy having a go you start here for Audi https://erwin.audi.com by first creating an erWin account.
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    The audi A4 B6 has an RB4 cluster , A4 B7 has an RB8 clusters are not compatible .
    RB4 is not encrypted RB8 is encrypted .
    Both has immo inside the eeprom file (dump).

    Excuse me for my English
     
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