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  1. Re: A4 Cabriolet Key Programming Issues - Immo Part of cluster or separate? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    I have full VCDS, CAN Commander and VCP but I have always had a huge struggle matching new dashes, key chips and ECU’s, to such an extent we decided to turn down jobs requiring this and only getting involved if the requirement came up during a job. A few years ago I decided to invest in ODIS and obtain the security level to use GEKO which automatically matches the components over tinterweb. Getting full ODIS capability was a long haul involving letters from our accountant and solicitor so we could gain an official VAG repairer number (global user ID) allowing us access to the international dealer portal. When all this was set up I bought a heavy duty laptop, metal cased, as I have a bad track record with laptops, getting through around one a year as using ODIS with a proper VAS tester is mind blowing money, thousands. The lap top you use has to be loaded with the the huge software downloads (just over 30 Gig), which are tedious and unreliable to do and you then have to request an ODIS licence. When setting it up you have to license each one of the VAG brands you want access to. After all this I bought myself a cheap chinky VAS 5154+ dongle and installed the drivers, eventually I managed to get logged in and start learning but the system was very erratic. A new software version came out so I downloaded it BUT discovered that to install the update you have to strip the lap top clean of any sign of ODIS and for me this meant a factory rest of my lap top, apparently the proper VAS machine does not require this and updates are easier, including regenerating all four licences. Then I found the new update recognised my 5154+ was a clone and I could not find a way around this so had to admit defeat and bought the cheapest genuine solution from TPS which is a VAS6154 base station, this was a shade under £1k. This transformed the way ODIS worked, it was a revelation. That was six months ago, on Wednesday the VAS6154 dongle was plugged into a 2014 S6 which was generating a funny fault code VCDS didn’t help with (yes I still use VCDS as it is quick) and it suddenly went ballistic, twittering like a Parrot on crack and flashing its lights like a Christmas tree and I have yet to resolve this. Ohh I forgot to mention the access to ODIS costs 10 Euro per hour or you can have a full years access for 1760 Euro..... per brand! Another pain is that to use ODIS you have to go into erWin for the brand you are working on and purchase the “period of validity” and then plug into the car and wait whilst ODIS opens and detects the car, at which point the validity timer starts to roll down and about 15 minutes later you can start to work, at least if you time runs out it does not kick you out UNLESS you go out of range of your internet connection such as on a test drive. Still if you fancy having a go you start here for Audi https://erwin.audi.com by first creating an erWin account.
    Quote Originally Posted by mishu67ro View Post
    The audi A4 B6 has an RB4 cluster , A4 B7 has an RB8 clusters are not compatible .
    RB4 is not encrypted RB8 is encrypted .
    Both has immo inside the eeprom file (dump).

    Excuse me for my English
    You are definitely both correct, in that this cluster is not an easy one to code. I've been reading up on Digital Kaos, and sure enough, it seems to be a nightmare job Crasher, what would you recommend I do? If you still have the equipment to programme keys, how much do you charge to do this? Obviously it's just the ID48 transponder that needs doing, everything else I can do myself.

    @mishu67ro - I am fairly certain I have B6 A4. I can provide some photos if you like? However it is identifying itself in VCDS as an RB8 Cluster? Are you sure the B6's didn't come with RB8's?

    It's a shame, my early B6 took about 15 minutes to obtain the pin and adapt keys All using a naff 409.1 cable.
     
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    It would be around £100 so taking into account getting it to me, you would be better served taking it to Stoke Audi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    It would be around £100 so taking into account getting it to me, you would be better served taking it to Stoke Audi.
    Thanks Crasher. I'll let you know. I don't mind travelling and giving some money to an indie tbh, seeing as I half expect Audi Stoke to say "sorry sir, we can only do you a cut key and programming that's £200 as the key fob is £80 on it's own". I'll give them a phone call today, see what they say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    It would be around £100 so taking into account getting it to me, you would be better served taking it to Stoke Audi.
    So I phoned Stoke Audi today, and they said it's only around £60+VAT to do the coding, but said it wouldn't work if the key is non-genuine. Are they bluffing here? They said they will happily have a crack on an eBay key, but that they would obviously charge me whether it works or not.... I thought A4's used ID48 transponders and these are just cheap virgin chips you can buy from pretty much anywhere?

    Note to self, next A4 B6, if I buy another, will have the monochrome DIS. I really can't be bothered with the extra hassle all for a few pretty colours.
     
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    Decided I'm out of my depth.

    Going to go these guys in Rochdale, which is near where I work: Kapautolocks - Specialist, Automotive, Locksmiths

    They seem to have a good reputation on this forum
     
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    To make sure everything goes smoothly I always order a genuine key to the VIN, that way I don't have to guess and also I am quiet new to the key coding side, still a lot to learn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    To make sure everything goes smoothly I always order a genuine key to the VIN, that way I don't have to guess and also I am quiet new to the key coding side, still a lot to learn.
    Crazy how difficult they've made it though. Like, the simplicity of the previous experience meant that a randomer couldn't easily do it.... but a genuine owner of the car could. This seems overkill.

    I'll get an older B6 next time

    Thanks for your help Crasher. I'll let you know how I get on.
     
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    Send me some photo . For an cluster RB4 (ex: https://www.ebay.it/itm/Audi-A4-B6-01-05-2-5-Tdi-Speedometer-Dash-Clock-8E0920950J/233016815332?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.S EED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3De77bf b5b09b3457ca53dbe85ba0b673b%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D 1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D263572051653%26itm%3D233016815 332&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pagec i%3Aaca5de78-023e-11e9-8de2-74dbd180d2bb%7Cparentrq%3Abdf7a1931670a99b1d172ca9 fffd5345%7Ciid%3A1 )
    you can used VAGeeprom with 409.1 , if you have an RB8 ( https://www.ebay.it/itm/Speedometer-speedo-clocks-dials-Audi-A4-B7-3-0-TDi-automatic-04-08-8E0920981K/202521766684?hash=item2f273ceb1c:g:ifIAAOSwJSRbq3D r:rk:2f:0 )
    you can used VAG DASH 5.29 for read/write/repair the dump.
    Witch one from this did you have ?
     
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