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    Hi

    I had a look at Touareg 2.5tdi se sport from 2006 if my understanding is correct is the T1 model, anyone running one? what you think of them?


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    If ANYTHING goes wrong with the engine such as camshaft failure, it is torture to put it right. If the head has to come off, you have to drop the engine out of the car as the scuttle gets in the way. We have just done the cam on one and our chap that did it looked destroyed at the end, he could hardly walk or stand up....
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    Go for the 3.0TDI..... the 2.5 ain't worth the trouble.
     
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    I was trying to keep the tax cost down a bit, is the camshaft that common on them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ade555 View Post
    I had a look at Touareg 2.5tdi se sport from 2006 if my understanding is correct is the T1 model, anyone running one? what you think of them?
    The 2.5 TDI (also known as R5) is the most economic version of all the Touaregs, only available in the T1 and T2 lines (model years up to 2009/2010 first half). It consumes less fuel than any of the other models, but still has a nice pull. It's also cheaper to maintain than any other variants, because the running gear and engine share a lot of components with the T5 Transporters. Its engine is very accessible, and does not need to be dropped for most repairs, that other variants need to, because they're so crammed in the engine bay.

    Another advantage is that it runs using gear drive (versus belt/chain drive of the other models), which means that it will be less prone to fatal engine damage, either because of the failure of the belt itself, or because of the failure some of the driven components (like compressor or generator/alternator).

    That said the R5 also had the least customization options, and tire sizes are virtually to a single one. Also, a 12 year old Touareg will be not cheap to own and maintain, because at that age things will keep breaking or need replacement, and they will not be cheap. The Touareg was and is a premium car, and just because 12 years have passed, (new) parts for it didn't get much (if any) cheaper.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnits View Post
    The 2.5 TDI (also known as R5) is the most economic version of all the Touaregs, only available in the T1 and T2 lines (model years up to 2009/2010 first half). It consumes less fuel than any of the other models, but still has a nice pull. It's also cheaper to maintain than any other variants, because the running gear and engine share a lot of components with the T5 Transporters. Its engine is very accessible, and does not need to be dropped for most repairs, that other variants need to, because they're so crammed in the engine bay.

    Another advantage is that it runs using gear drive (versus belt/chain drive of the other models), which means that it will be less prone to fatal engine damage, either because of the failure of the belt itself, or because of the failure some of the driven components (like compressor or generator/alternator).

    That said the R5 also had the least customization options, and tire sizes are virtually to a single one. Also, a 12 year old Touareg will be not cheap to own and maintain, because at that age things will keep breaking or need replacement, and they will not be cheap. The Touareg was and is a premium car, and just because 12 years have passed, (new) parts for it didn't get much (if any) cheaper.
    Thanks, I understand about parts are not very cheap and 12 year old car will need maintaining, not much of a problem for me until I have to drop engine, I was looking at one as I need to get something to tow near 3t mark on occasions, I would go for bit newer model but you get draw in to silly tax bracket and dpf or even ad blue, this will be a bit of work horse car, but at the same time I. Do like the face-lift models. From. 2007 up, not sure now.

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    Grits, have you actually ever worked on one of these to change a cam, water pump or accessory drive coupling or are we talking about different cars here? Yes cam failure is a very big problem on the 5 as many an owner with a T5 can tell you, we have done one on a T5 and a Touareg in the last few weeks and if you want genuine parts the prices are insane, it is easily a 2.5k job, the patten, often Chinese, cams don’t last and you can’t get the rocker shafts none genuine, if you don’t change these the cams warranty is invalid. Also changing the cam drive gears at the back is nearly impossible and the water pump!!!!!! What a sketch! To do from above is impossible and awful to do from below, if it is rotted in and the VW puller won’t get it out and strips it’s thread, what do you do? Another thing, what idiot who design the engine thought that a water pump which leaked into the sump was a good idea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    Grits, have you actually ever worked on one of these to change a cam, water pump or accessory drive coupling or are we talking about different cars here? Yes cam failure is a very big problem on the 5 as many an owner with a T5 can tell you, we have done one on a T5 and a Touareg in the last few weeks and if you want genuine parts the prices are insane, it is easily a 2.5k job, the patten, often Chinese, cams don’t last and you can’t get the rocker shafts none genuine, if you don’t change these the cams warranty is invalid. Also changing the cam drive gears at the back is nearly impossible and the water pump!!!!!! What a sketch! To do from above is impossible and awful to do from below, if it is rotted in and the VW puller won’t get it out and strips it’s thread, what do you do? Another thing, what idiot who design the engine thought that a water pump which leaked into the sump was a good idea?

    Wow you know how to put someone of the car on another note thanks for detail explanation sort of thing, glad you was honest, what the 3.0 v6 tdi are like? I would prefer to pay 200 more tax then fighting to do the cam if fail ect.
     
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    It depends on if you can stomach the manifold actuator failures at 500a side or when it needs new injectors at 609.53...... each......!
    Dark was that day when Diesel conceived his grim engine that begot you, vile invention, more vicious, more criminal than the camera even, metallic monstrosity, bale and bane of our culture, chief woe of our Commonweal. How dare the Law prohibit hashish and heroin yet license your use, who inflate all weak inferior egos? Their addicts only do harm to their own lives: you poison the lungs of the innocent, your din dithers the peaceful, and on choked roads hundreds must daily die by chance-medley. Nimble technicians, surely you should hang your heads in shame. Your wit works mighty wonders, has landed men on the Moon, replaced brains by computers, and can smithy a "smart" bomb. It is a crying scandal that you cannot take the time or be bothered to build us, what sanity knows we need, an odorless and noiseless staid little electric brougham.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    Grits, have you actually ever worked on one of these to change a cam, water pump or accessory drive coupling or are we talking about different cars here?
    Crasher, have you actually ever worked on one of these to replace the timing belt, renew the oil seal, or remove the upper part of the sump, or are we talking about different cars here?

    Some engines need to be dropped for one set of repair, and other engines need to be dropped for other types of repairs. The important thing here is, that how many times an engine might need to be dropped typically during a certain time period or run mileage. Without considering that it's essentially irrelevant whether a specific repair needs the engine to be dropped or not.

    Also, Touaregs are notorious for having significantly different engines with the same apparent displacement. That's true for both the 2.5L R5 and the 3.0L TDI engines, which also had several (sometimes 3-4) revisions and engine codes in essentially each model run (T1, T2, ..). On some of those - apparently matching, but actually different - engines some repairs might be carried out without having to drop or remove some components (especially if you've thin enough arm/fingers, and appropriate tools), while on others you might not be able to take shortcuts, because of the slightly different placement of some components, tubes, etc.

    Please feel free to download the official Touareg service manuals from http://erwin.volkswagen.de f you've any doubts about which models require dropping the engine for what kind of repairs. You're also welcome to own multiple Touregs with different engines, like I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    Yes cam failure is a very big problem on the 5 as many an owner with a T5 can tell you, we have done one on a T5
    Typical T5 engine problems are rarely relevant for Touareg R5s, because even though the basic engine designs are the same, the actual layout is partially different, later Touaregs use revised parts, and because T5s are commercial vehicles, which - accordingly - usually have to cope with very different levels and types of strain, and are not very well cared for by their actual drivers, whereas Touaregs are premium/luxury SUVs, which will be usually cared more for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    Also changing the cam drive gears at the back is nearly impossible and the water pump!!!!!! What a sketch! To do from above is impossible and awful to do from below, if it is rotted in and the VW puller won’t get it out and strips it’s thread, what do you do?
    What do you do with any engine component that's rotted and you strip its threads, on any engine? Exactly. The same thing. You're simply cherry picking here on a few issues you've encountered, while ignoring the fact that other engines might have similarly fatal or problematic issues, besides having other disadvantages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    Another thing, what idiot who design the engine thought that a water pump which leaked into the sump was a good idea?
    No one. The pump only leaks coolant into the engine if its drains clog up and its bearings/seal wear. Claiming that somebody designed the pump to leak into the sump is like saying that somebody designed the head to leak into the sump, when you encounter a failed head gasket. (And the pump being in the engine block is obviously the direct consequence of the gear-based drive design, which also has its own advantages - and disadvantages -, as already explained above.)
     
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