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  1. My Golf BKD Idle Judder / Misfire Issue 
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    I have a Mk v Golf as well as my Mk iv and unfortunately my Mkv has the common juddery idle. Its the BKD engine 140hp.

    I got the timing belt and water pump done as it was due, also changed the cam sensor at the same time as there were old fault codes relating to the cam sensor but the judder / misfire is still there at idle. I have VCDS and the torsion value reads -2.5. I can't remember what it was reading before the timing belt was done.

    I think the judder is worse since the timing belt was changed but it was definitely there beforehand anyway.

    What should the torsion value setting actually be, I've read of 3 different values: Apparently Vw specs is anywhere between -3.0 to +3.0. Most stuff on the internet seems to state should be set to 0.0 or as close to 0.0 as possible. Then something else I found on the internet states the ideal torsion value is -2.5 which happens to be what my Golf is reading, yet is juddering.

    What exactly is this judder anyway, is it a misfire or a vibration or what?

    I'd like to get this solved as its fairly annoying when in stop / start traffic, etc... Is it worth bring it to a VW specialist who can adjust the cams position and try get the torsion value set to 0.0? There are no fault codes relating to the engine, the cam sensor fault codes are gone since new sensor fitted and codes cleared.

    I've read as well that also with the torsion setting, theres some other setting I can't remember the exact name of it, but something to do with litres of diesel used per hr or such was worth checking in VCDS too, anyone know about that. I don't think there is any point in me swapping looms, flywheels, injectors,,,, etc etc as all that seems to have been done by other folk with the same issue and it din't fix it.

    Also, I've read of some folks judder getting slightly better when the air con is switched on and the idle revs raise, this doesn't help in my car, I don't notice any difference when switching the A/c on, my revs don't seem to raise and the judder stays exactly the same.
     
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    Juddering can also be caused by the dual mass flywheel becoming seized.
    I have a 1.9 and have changed it for a single mass unit - no issues now or in future are expected!
     
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    The torsion value should be as near to zero as possible, yours is near the maximum. Which locking tools did you use when setting up the belt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    The torsion value should be as near to zero as possible, yours is near the maximum. Which locking tools did you use when setting up the belt?
    My mechanic done the belt, don't know what locking tools were used.
     
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    Start with getting the timing checked using locking tools and the the Torsion value using a diagnostic system.
    Dark was that day when Diesel conceived his grim engine that begot you, vile invention, more vicious, more criminal than the camera even, metallic monstrosity, bale and bane of our culture, chief woe of our Commonweal. How dare the Law prohibit hashish and heroin yet license your use, who inflate all weak inferior egos? Their addicts only do harm to their own lives: you poison the lungs of the innocent, your din dithers the peaceful, and on choked roads hundreds must daily die by chance-medley. Nimble technicians, surely you should hang your heads in shame. Your wit works mighty wonders, has landed men on the Moon, replaced brains by computers, and can smithy a "smart" bomb. It is a crying scandal that you cannot take the time or be bothered to build us, what sanity knows we need, an odorless and noiseless staid little electric brougham.

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    You sure its not the dual mass flywheel going? whats the mileage of the car?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchToGerman View Post
    You sure its not the dual mass flywheel going? whats the mileage of the car?
    Mileage is 96k. I don't think its the DMF, neither does my mechanic, but who knows.
     
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    At that milage it could be the DMF but I would check the timing first.
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    I have the same car on 93K and have replaced the DMF over the weekend it was completely knackered. If its only just starting to go it probably wont make much of a noise but as it gets worse it will start to rattle inside the gearbox and you'll know its gone then if you listen to it outside the car.

    Mine was also causing an intermittent shake at idle, if you were sat at the lights you would be able to feel it through the seat.
     
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    Did this get sorted out in the end?
     
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