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  1. Re: Golf 1.6 AKL Compression Results 
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    Once the pistons are you you can check the bores if they're OK a quick hone and new rings is all you need. If they're scored you'd have to consider the cost of pulling the engine, stripping it down and having a re-bore. If you go down that road you'd need oversize pistons front and rear oil seal etc. It would have to be a pretty special and hard to find engine to justify the cost. If you had to pay to have the work done you'd buy a car for less.
     
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    Okay hope it doesn't go down that route, I did put some additives in the fuel so it could clean it out, maybe that isn't helping the smoke situation
     
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    What makes them nearly as easy as the previous Golf 1>3 is that the AKL head is pretty simple to remove, unlike the head on a 1.8T GTI Golf 4 and the sump is easy to remove on all of them, as long as you don't strip the two M6 threads in the crank oil seal holder.

    The way I suggest you start this process is to give new rings the best possible chance of bedding in by flushing the engine out with Millers CRO before you even start, this can be bought from the forum Sponsor Opie Oils. With the pistons out, it would be a good idea to give the bores a very quick light honing http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?cat=1090&item=640 . The action you use for this is quite important so ask when you get that far. You must remove the piston oil spray jets to do this or you will smash the stones.

    If you found a bore to be damaged or a liner cracked, pulling the block and re-boring it simply is uneconomic and a cracked liner means the block is FUBAR, even re-ringing is uneconomic to pay a pro to do it, DIY is fine though.

    The parts you would need are

    Full head set (Goetze, Reinz, Elring) 06A 198 012
    8 hydraulic tappets (Febi) 050 109 309 J
    Cam belt kit (Febi) 06A 198 119
    Water pump (Febi) 06B 121 011 E
    Oil pump (Febi) 06A 115 105 B
    Con rod bearings (KS, Glyco, Mahle) 034 105 701 007
    8 Con rod bolts (Febi) 048 105 425
    8 con rod nuts (Febi) 048 105 427
    4 Piston sets of rings (KS, Mahle or Goetze) 06B 198 151 or complete piston (KS or Mahle) 050 107 065 E
    Two oil filters (genuine only) 06A 115 561 B
    10 litres of Millers CRO
    10 head bolts (Goetze, Reinz, Elring, Febi) 06A 103 384 C
    3 litres of G13 coolant (Febi) G 013 A8J M1 (2 bottles)
    Pot of engine assembly paste (Red Line)
    Tube of VW white silicon sump sealant (genuine) D 176404A2
    Sump drain plug (Febi) N 908 132 01
    1 Engine mount bolt (genuine) N 103 280 02
    2 engine mount bolts (genuine) N 907 124 03
    2 consul bolts (genuine) N 102 096 05
    2 Mount bolts (genuine) N 105 167 02
    8 manifold nuts (Würth) N 911 308 01
    Downpipe gasket (lots of makes available) 1J0 253 115 D
    6 downpipe nuts (Würth) N 102 090 09

    This list only accounts for the absolute minimum required to do the job correctly and doesn’t take account of the inevitable extras required when doing something on an old car. The brands are the ones I would use. This would take care of any possible wear related head or ring oil use issues. You may find with the valves out that the exhaust valve guides need replacing, these are only £4 each from Febi but have to be professionally fitted. It is extremely unlikely that the piston gudgeon pin bushes will be worn so even if you fitted new pistons they should still be OK. You should be able to polish up and lap the valves even if it needs new guides, the valves MUST not be re-worked, only hand lapped, but exhaust valves are only £15 each from Febi and the inlet valves never wear. You need to add to this the cost of having the head very lightly refaced, just a tickle-no more. If you are interested, I can do some very cometetive prices on many of those parts, especially Febi.
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    I was revving the car before and a lot of water came out of the exhaust, head gasket?
     
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    The head needs to come off anyway, might as well get stuck in.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike199025q View Post
    I was revving the car before and a lot of water came out of the exhaust, head gasket?
    Water is is a natural by product of combustion, if water is coming out of its tail end but you aren't pouring it in at the mouth, then H2o in the air is being turned from vapour to liquid during combustion and blown out the back, quite a normal sign of good combustion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    What makes them nearly as easy as the previous Golf 1>3 is that the AKL head is pretty simple to remove, unlike the head on a 1.8T GTI Golf 4 and the sump is easy to remove on all of them, as long as you don't strip the two M6 threads in the crank oil seal holder.

    The way I suggest you start this process is to give new rings the best possible chance of bedding in by flushing the engine out with Millers CRO before you even start, this can be bought from the forum Sponsor Opie Oils. With the pistons out, it would be a good idea to give the bores a very quick light honing http://www.lasertools.co.uk/item.aspx?cat=1090&item=640 . The action you use for this is quite important so ask when you get that far. You must remove the piston oil spray jets to do this or you will smash the stones.

    If you found a bore to be damaged or a liner cracked, pulling the block and re-boring it simply is uneconomic and a cracked liner means the block is FUBAR, even re-ringing is uneconomic to pay a pro to do it, DIY is fine though.

    The parts you would need are

    Full head set (Goetze, Reinz, Elring) 06A 198 012
    8 hydraulic tappets (Febi) 050 109 309 J
    Cam belt kit (Febi) 06A 198 119
    Water pump (Febi) 06B 121 011 E
    Oil pump (Febi) 06A 115 105 B
    Con rod bearings (KS, Glyco, Mahle) 034 105 701 007
    8 Con rod bolts (Febi) 048 105 425
    8 con rod nuts (Febi) 048 105 427
    4 Piston sets of rings (KS, Mahle or Goetze) 06B 198 151 or complete piston (KS or Mahle) 050 107 065 E
    Two oil filters (genuine only) 06A 115 561 B
    10 litres of Millers CRO
    10 head bolts (Goetze, Reinz, Elring, Febi) 06A 103 384 C
    3 litres of G13 coolant (Febi) G 013 A8J M1 (2 bottles)
    Pot of engine assembly paste (Red Line)
    Tube of VW white silicon sump sealant (genuine) D 176404A2
    Sump drain plug (Febi) N 908 132 01
    1 Engine mount bolt (genuine) N 103 280 02
    2 engine mount bolts (genuine) N 907 124 03
    2 consul bolts (genuine) N 102 096 05
    2 Mount bolts (genuine) N 105 167 02
    8 manifold nuts (Würth) N 911 308 01
    Downpipe gasket (lots of makes available) 1J0 253 115 D
    6 downpipe nuts (Würth) N 102 090 09

    This list only accounts for the absolute minimum required to do the job correctly and doesn’t take account of the inevitable extras required when doing something on an old car. The brands are the ones I would use. This would take care of any possible wear related head or ring oil use issues. You may find with the valves out that the exhaust valve guides need replacing, these are only £4 each from Febi but have to be professionally fitted. It is extremely unlikely that the piston gudgeon pin bushes will be worn so even if you fitted new pistons they should still be OK. You should be able to polish up and lap the valves even if it needs new guides, the valves MUST not be re-worked, only hand lapped, but exhaust valves are only £15 each from Febi and the inlet valves never wear. You need to add to this the cost of having the head very lightly refaced, just a tickle-no more. If you are interested, I can do some very cometetive prices on many of those parts, especially Febi.

    How much would that list add up to?
     
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  8. Re: Golf 1.6 AKL Compression Results 
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    This would be the bare minimum possible to do the job but there are bound to be extra's. Personally I would want to use Febi lifters instead of some cheap no brand versions but they are an extra £44.87 and I would prefer an Elring head set personally but these are an extra £28.94.

    Full head set with downpipe gasket (Goetze) 06A 198 012 £49.78 (ECP)
    8 hydraulic tappets (No brand) 050 109 309 J £49.44 (ECP)
    Cam belt kit (Febi) 06A 198 119 £39.72 (C&R)
    Water pump (Febi) 06B 121 011 E £35.73 (C&R)
    Oil pump (Topran) 06A 115 105 B £64.26 (ECP)
    Con rod bearings (Mahle) 034 105 701 007 £46.08 (C&R)
    8 Con rod bolts (Febi) 048 105 425 £9.06 (C&R)
    8 con rod nuts (Febi) 048 105 427 £3.84 (C&R)
    4 Piston sets of rings (Mahle) 06B 198 151 £115.20 (C&R)
    Two oil filters (genuine only) 06A 115 561 B £8.86 each (TPS retail)
    10 litres of Millers CRO £47 approx (Opie Oils)
    Set of head bolts (Febi) 06A 103 384 C £10.37 (C&R)
    3 litres of G13 coolant (Febi) G 013 A8J M1 (2 bottles) £18.70 (C&R)
    Pot of engine assembly paste (Red Line) £18.95 (C&R)
    Tube of VW white silicon sump sealant (genuine) D 176 404 M2 £25.44 (TPS retail)
    Sump drain plug (Febi) N 908 132 01 £0.98 (C&R)
    1 Engine mount bolt (genuine) N 103 280 02 £4.63 (TPS retail)
    2 engine mount bolts (genuine) N 907 124 03 £4.22 (TPS retail)
    2 consul bolts (genuine) N 102 096 05 £7.42 (TPS retail)
    2 Mount bolts (genuine) N 105 167 02 £4.22 (TPS retail)
    8 manifold nuts N 911 308 01 £5.36 (TPS retail)
    6 downpipe nuts N 102 090 09 £4.56 (TPS retail)
    Head re-face £60 (typical cost)

    So a minimum of £633.82 but I would allow another £200 as a contingency for things such as guides, valves, plugs, water housings etc, all the sort of things that go wrong doing a job like this.
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    sixty quids for a skim ??? my local plce does them for half that. mind you, they do use a big ******* file.
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    I new some clever sod yocal tractor mechanic would have some place in a farm yard that would do it for less....
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