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  1. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Hi Apole,

    Thanks for the links - I saw those and I was considering buying the Ravenol Oil from here: RAVENOL ATF 6HP Fluid, 4 Liter - Detailed item view - RAVENOL UK Online Shop

    I however managed to find this one for less and it is the one I've bought:http://www.febi.com/fileadmin/user_upload/febi/england/downloads/febi_fluids_brochure_GB_internet.pdf
    (Number 43 in the brochure)

    I'll let you know how it goes. I think I'll do a fluid change initially and see if it makes any difference to the gearbox, if it does (for the better) I'll do a full change with the filter. If not, I think I'll be looking at a gearbox rebuild or torque converter issue...

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  2. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Hey Six,

    Just found this whilst trying to find the TPI gup kindly listed.

    ZF 6HP19 - 6HP28 Transmission Failures Due To Bad Valve Body and Computer Programming Information | PRLog

    So, with that in mind, although my car is working very well I'm tempted now to get the software updated, cheaper than the potential alternative.
     
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  3. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Thanks Apole, just had a read of that website, it doesn't sound good....

    On a side note, visited another Audi dealer to buy a new washer/bolt for the gearbox for when the oil is changed and they told me they have never changed the oil on a tiptronic box and don't know how to do it....they also gave the sealed for life message and asked why I wanted to change the oil.

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  4. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Well you don't know if you have that issue, plenty of cars on here going strong after lots of miles, just worth knowing about.

    Found similar with advice on things, depends who you speak to as knowledge varies and people assume things.

    Good luck and keep us posted.
     
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  5. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Try looking for an auto transmission specialist in your area. You will probably find that they follow ZF guidelines which will recommend a change at 80 ish. Audi have decided on the sealed for life bit. My dealer does know how to change and is happy to do so for a fee.
    if your box had a leak they would have to change...
     
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  6. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Cheers Andy & six_or_out on the info/updates ...

    I thought I'd analyse my own car's past photos/logs further...

    So below the gearbox is a plate...



    Zoom shot...




    1 Serial number of gearbox
    2 Model number
    3 Gearbox designation
    4 Code letters

    Next info from my VCDS log... (full version here Link:- Post 8)

    Part No SW: 4F1 910 156 B Revision No SW: 0030 Serial number: 4005962

    My gearbox serial number 4005962, besides plate it is in VCDS log blue text...
    Next TPI/TSB relevant bits to me (underlined)...

    Production change

    1. Optimised ATF (blue) from February 2005 (gearbox numbers A: 4000597, B:95253).

    2. Optimised ATF (green) from March 2008 (gearbox number: A4, A6, A8: 4432890, Q7: 4040037)

    Measure

    Case A: vehicles before chassis break:

    On MY 05 vehicles and earlier (before gearbox number: A:4000597, B:95253) update the software of the gearbox control unit.
    Note: The new ATF needs the software version. Failing to update the software will lead to gearbox damage.

    Case B: vehicles after chassis break:

    Vehicles after the chassis break have optimised oil and the suitable software version in the gearbox.

    My car is "Case B"...
    the serial number of the gearbox places it into this category...

    In above both cases G 060 162 A (green) oil is used as update in TPI instructions...

    (In parts cat. G 060 162 A2 (green) is 32 per L, G 055 162 A2 (blue) is 32 per L)

    But both blue & green are "Optimised ATF"...
    ... then I cross ref'd this older US version of the TPI...

    Link:- TSB File

    It is so similar but for the US petrol cars... extracts below which interested me...

    Production Solution

    Optimized ATF (Blue) from gearbox numbers 4000597 and 95253

    Required Parts and Tools

    Part Number Part Description Quantity
    G 055162A2 ATF (blue) 16
    The US TSB have release date of 07 Dec 06...

    TPI 2007190/11 have release date of 11 Aug 08...

    TPI 2007190/13 have release date of 18 Jan 10... Link:- Russia Audi Forum Post

    So the suggestion of oil ie blue or green depend on TPI age, so my view is that green superseded blue but both blue & green are "Optimised ATF" what was not "Optimised ATF" was whatever was used before that in MY05 (2004)/ gearbox numbers lower than: A:4000597, B:95253...

    Now my P/N for gearbox software is correct it is only rev which is low, mine 0030, TPI=0050...
    Now this section is my research to ease my mind that the rev of SW in my gearbox doe not matter...


    Case A: vehicles before chassis break:

    On MY 05 vehicles and earlier (before gearbox number: A:4000597, B:95253) update the software of the gearbox control unit.

    Note: The new ATF needs the software version. Failing to update the software will lead to gearbox
    damage.

    1. Update the software of the gearbox control unit (see table under Parts information)
    As my car case B not A no SW update ...

    Now the rev of software is different in table because it is an updated software at time of TPI just like the oils (blue/green)...

    ...

    So after all this if I have a gearbox issue I must first ref...

    The converter condition can be checked in MVB 007/3 (converter open/ converter control/ converter shut).


    More info on video in this post... Link:- A6 3.0 TDI QUATTRO numbers - Page 4

    Quote Originally Posted by six_or_out View Post
    I'll let you know how it goes. I think I'll do a fluid change initially and see if it makes any difference to the gearbox, if it does (for the better) I'll do a full change with the filter. If not, I think I'll be looking at a gearbox rebuild or torque converter issue...

    Ref your gearbox serial to TPI then you'll know if SW need update or not... next I would do MVBs via VCDS... then perhaps oil change/get advise from a ZF specialist...

    If IIRC Crasher has done rebuilds on these and ZF office is close to his workshop...
    Last edited by gupsterg; 26-04-2013 at 07:16 AM. Reason: Link corrected...
     
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  7. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Hi guys,

    I had the gearbox oil changed a couple of weeks back (using the oil I posted earlier so there was no need for the software update). They could only change 3.5 litres as that's all that came out of the sump when they drained it. The car feels at least 50% better since the change. Gear changes are smoother and the judder is much less pronounced than previously. I've ordered a new filter & gasket for the gearbox and this time I will be changing it myself over the easter break. I'll let you know how it turns out...

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  8. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    As you know I had oil change on gearbox done when chain rattle was fixed, I didn't see process due to the relationship deteriorating between me and Dialynx...

    Today I was going over this thread Link:- Tiptronic oil change !!

    Now in that it seems oil change require more litres than you've used and Andy are you able to share how much was used in yours?

    On my invoice for Dialynx some things are not clearly priced as it was for the whole job of chain rattle fix,etc so no idea on how much oil used...
     
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    Hey Gup,

    I had mine done soon after getting the car. The indi misquoted me at 150 not realising it was quattro and as such different box, more expensive oil etc. He charged me for 6 litres, but he did knock a bit off the cost due to misquoting so it's possible it took a bit more. At the time it was 26 a litre plus VAT. Didn't know them well enough to ask at that stage about if the filter should be replaced, what the old oil looked like etc. I think they just drained oil and refilled with fresh.

    3.5 litres seems small to me, I know you can't get it all out but I'd expect more than that.

    Six, how you planning on DIY, are you just doing fluid or you going to do the filter and clean magnets and sump pan?

    Do you have a tool to refill the fluid? I was thinking of something like this:

    MERCURY MARINER MERCRUISER GEAR LUBE OIL PUMP - FITS ALL QUART / 1 LITRE BOTTLES | eBay

    Then putting some bent over copper pipe in the end to replicate the official tool.

    Would probably go to a boat shop to see what this kind of pump is like, or could end up taking hours to refill if the pump is tiny !!

    Be interested in how you get on.
     
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  10. Re: ZF 6HP19A tiptronic gearbox (A6 3.0 TDI Quattro) 
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    Hi ya Andy ...

    I'd found a document showing how you can tell health of tranny from oil colour/particles on magnets but seem to have lost it ...

    I found this though as well Link:- Audi Tiptronic Install.pdf

    Now on page 7 step 14 of linked guide its says "This is the initial fill, and commonly consumes 2-4 quarts, depending on transmission size and total capacity." which equals 2.2-4.5 Litres... then engine started and filling resumed (engine still running) steps 15-16 ... this is same method as how TSB/TPI says...

    Is this how yours was done? I never got the chance to see mine being done/ask fully ...

    Now in VAG TPI/TSB they suggest "Change the ATF twice (1 x flushing and 1 x changing)." for issue gearbox but do you think this would be best practise even for oils changes to get better result?

    TIA
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