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    Quote Originally Posted by woodworm6 View Post
    I have been replacing my console bushes on a Touran. one of the bolts sheared off. I gather the is quite common. Trying to remove the sub frame part that the bolt is in. All bolts out but it is moving but stuck. Do I have to jack up the suspension strut the release the sub frame (console)?
    The subframe will be held on by several things in addition to the 6 main mounting bolts:-

    Steering linkage / column connection (steering rack attached to subframe and loom held in channels and also connected to fuse box and earth points), ball joint on end of wishbone, drop links (anti roll bar is bolted to the subframe), gearbox 'dog bone' mount also connected to subframe as is exhaust / DPF pipe.

    I would not simply remove ALL bolts as some keep other stuff attached. Presumably you know the subframe only has 6 main mounting bolts? If you hadn't realised then you won't know the proper way to drop the subframe which is more involved than just unbolting it. You'll also need T10096 subframe alignment pins as the subframe should go back on in exactly the same position to avoid wayward handling afterwards.
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    I only need the remove the console part at the end of the sub frame not the whole sub frame
     
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    The consul is only held on with three bolts but you have to release the wishbone front mount to drop the wishbone down, remember every single bolt is one time only and MUST be replaced. If you release the consul without the alignment pin in place, you will have to get the alignment checked as you could change the castor angle so castor, camber and tracking in that order.
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    Hi is it must to replace all pins ?

    And please what if i did not replace and used the old one , what i will feel while driving or what will happened generally?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hass192009 View Post
    Hi is it must to replace all pins ?

    And please what if i did not replace and used the old one , what i will feel while driving or what will happened generally?


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    Worst case scenario: If you reuse the pins (bolts) and you torque them again according to their normal levels then you run the risk of stretching them further than their designed tolerances therefore weakening them to the point of imminent failure. If any of the subframe main bolts, of which one of them affixes the console bush, fails then potentially it could stress the remaining 5 causing them to also fail and the subframe to separate from the chassis. If driving quickly when this happens then it would be a dangerous situation to be in.

    The driving experience will be the same until you suffer a failure. It may be sudden and could exhibit many symptoms such as wayward steering, suspension noise, and pulling or vibration through the steering wheel.

    In reality this would be a rare occurrence but nevertheless a possibility. For your own safety and that of passengers and other motorists / pedestrians you should renew the bolts where specified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMitch16 View Post
    Worst case scenario: If you reuse the pins (bolts) and you torque them again according to their normal levels then you run the risk of stretching them further than their designed tolerances therefore weakening them to the point of imminent failure. If any of the subframe main bolts, of which one of them affixes the console bush, fails then potentially it could stress the remaining 5 causing them to also fail and the subframe to separate from the chassis. If driving quickly when this happens then it would be a dangerous situation to be in.

    The driving experience will be the same until you suffer a failure. It may be sudden and could exhibit many symptoms such as wayward steering, suspension noise, and pulling or vibration through the steering wheel.

    In reality this would be a rare occurrence but nevertheless a possibility. For your own safety and that of passengers and other motorists / pedestrians you should renew the bolts where specified.

    My story is as follows:
    I have tiguan Rline 1.4 tsi
    I have replaced Almost all the suspension
    1- the front control arm Bushes (both front and rear).with Lemforder brand(made in china)
    2- sway bar bushes (although the bracket of it was welded) but my mechanic separate it and re connect a gain.with bushes called febest
    3 - sway bar link.
    4-front Shock absorber. Original from
    5- shock absorber mounts kit. Original

    After all i was expecting that my car will be as new . But i am now so disappointed because i fell as following:

    1- at high speed i feel the car is not stable.
    2- i feel the steering is not firm as before especially day time as i am living in UAE
    3- sometimes feeling vibrations on the steering wheel and sometimes no

    Right now I do not know what is the reason
    I am thinking
    1-may be the control arm bushes quality is bad because it is not the original.
    2- may be because i replaced the sway bar bushes by this way.
    3- and now i discovered your post about pins
    So thatís adding new idea


    Please i am suffering with that car if any body can tell me what to do please guide me .

    Also if there is any one here know any garage in UAE can dissolve my problem i will be appreciated.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Crasher View Post
    You need a set of four pins IF you are dropping the whole subframe down, only one for a single consul removal. You insert the T10096, tighten it up and then remove the other two bolts, the bush aligns itself in the consuls bolt hole which can be perfectly aligned with the thread or offset to a degree, this means that when you put the consul back, it is fitted in the same place as it was originally. The VAG price is consul only, it is not a kit. I can do one consul in less than an hour if using a new standard consul, removing a VW bush and fitting a Powerflex adds quite a lot of time cutting the old bush out but fitting the new Powerflex is very easy, the Superpro is a little more involved as it is steel sleeved.
    Hi carsher
    Do i have to replace bolts with original new bolts or specific ones has special features?


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    Almost every fastener on a modern VAG vehicle is a one time on Torque To Yield (TTY) and special purpose in their deign and tensile strength (usually 10.9) and anti corrosion tread as many go into aluminum, I know rust isn't an issue for you but it is for us, plus most have built in washers, replace them with generic ones and you may get away with it... you may not.
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    Much of this vag corrosion would be global due to the metals used. Working on my golf recently rear control arm bushes were welded to its bolt (by
    dissimilar metal corrosion) and so was the aluminium handbrake rivets which go into the trailing arm. This type of corrosion happens when there is a direct connection between dissimilar metals
    Hence since the front subframe is some sort of aluminium alloy I would rather reuse old bolts rather than use unknown steel bolts.
    Re using these tty bolts is a controversial but common practice
     
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    You need a front and rear suspension, ball joints and bushings check. So if your control arm bushings were due a change others will be in a similar condition.
    Also check wheels, tyres, wheel bearings, drive shaft, Engine mounts, flywheel etc for vibration concerns.
    The worse it's feeling to drive the easier it will be to spot under inspection. It's hard to say without an inspection
     
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