AUDI A3 TDI 130 SPORT engine remap upgrade advice?

[2oomph]

hello, ive got a audi a3 tdi 130 sport, 6 speed box, 03reg, 33k miles.

I plan to upgrade the engine to push out 200BHP, there's a chap on ebay who's doin the conversion (engine remap etc...) for £200 odd:D, he says i'ii easily get 180BHP+ and if fit a big sport exhaust should easily b pushin 200bhp;), he's even got a rollin road to prove the power increase.

anyone have any innformation on the conversions?

any advice would b much appreciated


thanks:D

[towcestervag]

when it comes to chipping/remaps i would talk to specialists on this forum first who do the job
if done by a reputable specialist at least you have a good guarentee
if done incorrectly it can damage the engine

[2oomph]

which ones?:(

[towcestervag]

check the site sponsors
go with the one who seems to know what they are talking about and not the ones who seem to flannel you

[2oomph]

i rang a few, seems there's a few blaggers who odnt have the rollin road facility but quote the figures, there's a chap on ebay who charges 1/2the nammed chaps and can test the car before and after on rolling road= money where hes mouth ius

[SEMKY]

He may be able to get the power up, but is he doing it safely? He may be perfectly genuine and really know what he's doing, but as the old saying goes.....if it looks too good to be true...it probably is!


As towcesterVAG says, speak to some of the site sponsors before you make a decision;)

[2oomph]

im waitin to see what he's warranty is on the conversion, he's l;ike all the otherts they remap the ecu etc...

heard of red dot racing? we its done in there, so its gotta b a decent job, i'ii investigate and see what difference there is between the £500 men and the £200 men:D

[motechmike]

hello, ive got a audi a3 tdi 130 sport, 6 speed box, 03reg, 33k miles.

I plan to upgrade the engine to push out 200BHP, there's a chap on ebay who's doin the conversion (engine remap etc...) for £200 odd:D, he says i'ii easily get 180BHP+ and if fit a big sport exhaust should easily b pushin 200bhp;), he's even got a rollin road to prove the power increase.

anyone have any innformation on the conversions?

any advice would b much appreciated


thanks:D

Thats a joke to get that sort of power from the turbo.. 185max and thats pushing it hard.

The stock car runs 1.35bar out maps take them too 1.55 max to get over the 200hp you will need a H/B turbo that car run at 1.8bar . You can run the stock one's at that but for about a day !!...

Dont run before you can walk. Get ot mapped to 180ish and see what you think. Got to spend a lot to get it over the 200hp mark too.

Mike

[2oomph]

ive been told this by a few people, over 200bhp i'ii b spendin some serious cash:zx11:, im im gonna settle for the normal 180bhp then slap a massive 5inch zorst on the back straight throu, so that should get another 20bhp:D

[SEMKY]

ive been told this by a few people, over 200bhp i'ii b spendin some serious cash:zx11:, im im gonna settle for the normal 180bhp then slap a massive 5inch zorst on the back straight throu, so that should get another 20bhp:D

Think you'll be lucky to get 200bhp just doing that mate! Could be wrong;)

[shark_90]

180bhp isn't a realistic figure. And cheap isn't necessarily a good thing y'know..

[2oomph]

was told by numerous tuners that i''ii get 180-185 with the chip/remap:D, asnd usually when u put a larger zorst can get extra 10-15bhp??:confused:

[SEMKY]

Reckon the 180 bhp is very achievable with a decent remap (not necessarily the cheapest one)...the map has to not just pile more fuel in and increase boost pressure to a dangerous level...
You want a nice driveable and progressive torque and power curve..
Also bear in mind that too big a 'zorst will decrease power and torque (not to mention sound stupid)!! You need to keep a slight back pressure.

Get the remap done at a VW/Audi specialist, and see from there mate....the power and torque increase after remap will be massive, and you really will be grinning!!!:D And spinning wheels in a few gears in the wet too (unless you are in a quattro)

[shark_90]

180bhp just isn't going to happen on a generic remap alone. More like 165bhp maybe 170bhp if you have a few miles on if it's a really good, well developed map.

For the record, I have a bit of an idea on how maps work ;)

[SEMKY]

Yep...Sorry..I meant 170bhp! DoH

On a side line there Shark...The vRS looks well on those BBS CHs!

[shark_90]

cheers mate, I'll post some proper pictures up sometime this week!

[2oomph]

ok, i'ii have a word with the cheapest guy, he said he's map is same as every1 else's espeically the one's who charge £450, i'd save myself £250 going with the ebay chap, who will also give rollin road pprintout's something that the expensive one's dont do

i thought larger zorst strsight throu system gives more bhp ?:confused:

[2oomph]

180bhp just isn't going to happen on a generic remap alone. More like 165bhp maybe 170bhp if you have a few miles on if it's a really good, well developed map.

For the record, I have a bit of an idea on how maps work ;)

thats what every1 says, dou have a rolling road?

[neil w]

I think you'll be pushing it at that, the TDI 140 sport we had only put out a genuine 132 bhp on the dyno. With a decent air filter and a £160 tuning box fitted (set up for mid range ) it drove better than at Leon 170 tdi on the road yet on the dyno still only made 158bhp.
Check out www.tuning-diesels.com (http://www.tuning-diesels.com)

[2oomph]

this seems interesting as allows to adjust urself, i'ii defo look into this, and the price also is even cheaper than the ebay chap

tthankyou:approve:

[shark_90]

ok, i'ii have a word with the cheapest guy, he said he's map is same as every1 else's espeically the one's who charge £450, i'd save myself £250 going with the ebay chap, who will also give rollin road pprintout's something that the expensive one's dont do



If it's the "same as every1 else's" then it must be a copied map? And the "especialy the ones who charge £450" comment is just a joke.

You might save yourself £250 as you put it but I looked at a PD105 that smashed it's turbo internals up the other day which looked to be a direct result of a rubbish remap. You pays your money, you takes your choice.

Don't get me wrong, I've had a cheap remap done in the past. It was a bit too torquey low down and made the flywheel grumble under hard acceleration but all in all it felt like a good map. The guy that did it is now a well respected tuner in the VAG world. Cheap isn't necessarily bad but it seems to me that you are focussing on the "cheap" aspect and giving absolutely no consideration to many of the other (more important) aspects.

[shark_90]

thats what every1 says, dou have a rolling road?

What's what everyone says?

No, I do not have a rolling road, but if you think a tuner's rolling road gives accurate figures then you are mistaken. Unfortunately in the UK we have an obsession with crank horsepower which is measured by attempting to calculate (read: fudging) a correction factor which is applied to the horsepower that is read at the wheels. This correction factor (and many other things, heat being one major one) can massively affect the figures. I can dyno my car at 300 bhp if you like but in reality it's around 270-275 depending on the weather. On top of that you have to remember that the person operating the rollers is the person tuning your car... which basically throws nearly all of the credibility of the figures out of the window.

If you think rolling road figures are important then fair enough, but there's much more to having a remap than what the headline figure is. It's important to have a smooth map with good power delivery and no massive boost spikes which translates to how well it drives on the road. And also in a diesel, not creating a soot cloud every time you hit the loud pedal!

The price of the remap is irrelevant but if it's no good you could be replacing your clutch and/or turbo within a few months.

[2oomph]

i can assure u i defo aint got £6.8k to lose as thats what cars worth; lower miler; 33k, these cars without engines arent worth much, :aargh4:i will see if the cheaper guy gives a warranty

what i will do now is have my car inspected by a main dealer then take it for a remap, and if it blows up a feww weeks after i'ii sue the tuners *** all the way back up to the courts.:biglaugh:

so i think who ever gives the longest warranty i will go with them as there puttin there money where there mouth is, prices have ranged from £200 to £450:(

[shark_90]

Warranty's a difficult one.. I'm not saying you would but if someone had their car tuned and then redlined it everywhere for two weeks it's going to go pop. Once the car leaves it's not possible to know what happens to it or how it's driven.
Good luck with it and report back once you've decided and had it done :beerchug:

[2oomph]

so are u sayin trhat the warranties the tuners offer are totally rubbish, and not wortht he paper there written on?

[shark_90]

Well I can't comment for any tuner really. Is the whole engine covered? If you had a remap done and then six months later your turbo went would that be a direct result of the remap or plain wear and tear?

If it just covered the ECU flash or re-chip then I could understand that the workmanship there could be warranted, but as for your engine, I'm just not sure how a warranty would be implemented.

What I'm trying to say is: What do you want to be covered? Does the warranty that you speak of cover that? The word "warranty" can be bandied around to give people a sense of security, but is it actually giving you any protection should the worst happen?

[neil w]

My wifes A4 PD TDI has now got 65000 miles on the clock, for the past 12 months and 12000 miles it has been fitted with a Tuning-Diesels box set on nos 6 out of the 9 settings.
I would estimate that it is making 150 bhp, but it gets about 6 -8 mpg better and will decimate my chipped 2.0 16v corrado and most other cars on the road. It has made the car more peasurable to drive and overtaking a safer bet.
When it went for test the box was left switched on and it went straight through on the short emission test.
With the box switched off it had to go through the full emissions test to pass.
I have no doubt that combined with a remap it would make more bhp but I would rather have useable real world performance and better economy.

[SEMKY]

I reckon that its unlikely any remapper/tuner will honour a warranty on the whole engine....they may say that they'll cover the work they did but as Shark says....if the engine or components of engine give up, you'll have one HELL of a job proving it was a direct result of any map....Pound to a penny the response would be 'You drove it too hard!':(

Good luck anyway!:beerchug: