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nik_codling
17-03-2007, 12:44 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm new to the forum - I'm after a little bit of help, and I'm hoping you might be able to help me.

I've got a strange problem with the brakes on my '97 A3 1.6. Last week I discovered I had a leak from the N/S rear banjo bolt union - turned out one or both of the crush washers had corroded, and I was merrily squirting fluid everywhere. I didn't realise this at first until I got a warning sign on the dash telling me the fluid was low.

I immediately checked the fluid and topped it up, and discovred the leak at the back, which by now had got fluid all over the wheel and tyre.

Not long after this, and during my perhaps ill-advised and very careful drive home the pedal went to the floor. That said, the brakes did still work, albeit at a reduce rate. I suspect this was caused by an almost total loss of fluid - I'm not sure if these cars have a safety valve to keep braking on opposing ends of the car, but it was just enough to get me home.

I replaced the faulty washers and cleaned everything up and then attempted to bleed the system. After an hour and around a litre of fluid I was still getting a spongy brake pedal, although the brakes were much improved, and safe enough to drive. I took the car to a local VW/Audi independant, to have them bled.

The garage put around 3-4 litres of fluid through the system by means of a pressurised bleeding kit on the master cylinder reservoir, but it has failed to cure the problem. The brakes still work, but there is a little too much travel on the pedal, and a spongy feel. That said, if I rev the engine the brakes do appear to firm up.

The garage seems to think the problem may be caused by the fluid getting too low, possibly drawing cack in to the ABS unit. I'm not too convinced about that though, as the ABS system still works (I tested it on a quiet road last night).

My suspision is that there could be an air leak in the vacuum hose to the servo, as I noticed when I was bleeding the brakes that the servo (I think) was making a whistling noise which went up and down in pitch as I pumped the pedal. Perhaps even a leak in the servo diaphragm. The vacuum hose theory could be backed up by the fact that the idle is occasionally a bit fluttery, and that the pedal hardness improves if I rev the engine.

I'm at a loss for ideas, and the garage has given up, so I'm hoping someone here might have a clue, or some ideas to check out! Any advice or tips would be really appreciated.

Also, I'd be grateful if you could recommend any independants in the Portsmouth area, so I can get a second opinion.

Nik

PS Sorry for the long post, hope you're still awake!

Niklock
21-03-2007, 09:31 PM
i came across a similar problem on my ex's punto turbo, it turned out to be the brake lines. you should be able to replace the lot for about a hundred quid. braided hoses dont die with age, even if it dont cure the problem it is definately a bit of kit worth having

hms
21-03-2007, 11:24 PM
Hi, check the servo hose. it runs from the servo round the back of the bulk head up to the manifold. these were part of a recal some time ago for splitting have a good look. On bleeding the brakes depending on the pressure being used it will not go through the abs circuit. Has the master cylinder any bleed screws,think there 7mm. good luck.

nik_codling
10-04-2007, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the replies guys. Turns out that my fluid level had gone really low, and it had drawn air in to the ABS unit. One independant VW specialist in Portsmouth were unable to sort it, only telling me it would be £800 for a new ABS unit (won't be going there again then), but the VW Service Centre in Gosport sorted it for me in a couple of hours. Just lots of bleeding. Brakes are fine again!

The moral of the story - if your brake fluid is leaking don't let it get too low before you sort it, and don't take your car somewhere that can't diagnose faiults...

Nik