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hi all going slightly mad back of car on passenger side is soaked and there is a ton of water under the carpet ,dried all this out at christmas made sure the chamber was clear at the front as well fillter is dry have no sunroof or aircon just the normal 3 buttons for the heater its a 2003 saloon passet also water getting in to the boot on the drivers side cant figure it out think i will burn it but with so much water it wont go up:biglaugh:
gbdxo
23-01-2009, 12:43 AM
Me too.
I have a 's' reg saloon. I have 10 big sponges full of water most nights in the rear passenger footwell.
Its not the door panel. That was 3 months ago on the other side!
Its not the area of blocked drains under the battery. That was 6 months ago!
But I have managed to find the source with the Glove box removed, under the pollen filter area.
Having read previous post, I have cleaned around the bonnet hinge/ back of the pollen filter housing. Inside the filter housing is dry looking at the blower motor.
My next course of action is to remove the plastic lower windscreen trim to get a proper look at the back of the pollen filter housing and may be remove and seal it.
Is there anywhere else I can look at /unblock/clean.:aargh4:
In the mean time If I find the fix I will post the solution if you will do the same.
Best of luck
Steve
cazyp
23-01-2009, 04:16 AM
Rubber seal around the boot lid needs silicone greasing every 6 months or so or it goes porous, leaks into the boot, runs down the arch on the inside into the foot well.
Also check the rear window is seated/sealed properly and not crumbled with age.
HTH.
cazyp
23-01-2009, 04:18 AM
Me too.
I have a 's' reg saloon. I have 10 big sponges full of water most nights in the rear passenger footwell.
Its not the door panel. That was 3 months ago on the other side!
Its not the area of blocked drains under the battery. That was 6 months ago!
But I have managed to find the source with the Glove box removed, under the pollen filter area.
Having read previous post, I have cleaned around the bonnet hinge/ back of the pollen filter housing. Inside the filter housing is dry looking at the blower motor.
My next course of action is to remove the plastic lower windscreen trim to get a proper look at the back of the pollen filter housing and may be remove and seal it.
Is there anywhere else I can look at /unblock/clean.:aargh4:
In the mean time If I find the fix I will post the solution if you will do the same.
Best of luck
Steve
Have you drilled a drain hole in the filter housing? If not drill an 8mm or similar hole at the front left inside as you look at it from the front of the car.
fozzie
23-01-2009, 10:24 AM
Hi all, check with your VW dealer. I just had a call today saying that my car needs to be booked in for a recall. They told me that the rear foot well fills up with water where the ecu is, due to a cracks appearing in the facias/plenum chamber etc.
Mines booked in.
Fozzie.
TTFSam
23-01-2009, 11:05 AM
Hi Fozzie
I started a thread on the plenum chamber drainage hole issue two days ago - my local dealer who has serviced the 2003 TDi from new denies the existence of any plenum related recall or even Service Bulletin due to flooding.
Other's caught in this trap have done the digging for me "TSB 51B8 to check for blocked drain holes in the plenum chamber 2007" was sent out to all VW dealers in the UK. I've also got the US VW letter that was posted detailing the recall on the 2002 Passat. I'd be very grateful if you could post any more details of the recent recall message that you have been sent - I realise that it it might not be directly related to my issue, but I'd like to be aware all the same!
Cheers
Sam
gbdxo
23-01-2009, 03:25 PM
Back again.
This morning I bought a wiper arm pulling tool and removed the lower windscreen plastic trim to allow me to remove the pollen filter housing.
Once removed, I hoping I have found the problem. I cleaned the sludge from around the rectangular hole in the bulkhead and the sludge that had built up at the windscreen bottom corners. see photos
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/gbdxo/DSCF5884.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/gbdxo/DSCF5885.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/gbdxo/DSCF5886.jpg
I then cleaned the seal. sat it back in the filter housing and squeased a large bead of silicon grease to fill the inperfections in the old seal.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/gbdxo/DSCF5888.jpg
Now I am praying for rain to see if I have solved the problem.
I also had a quick look in the comfort module case to check for water and it did need emptying.
Fingers crossed
Steve.
blue metal
23-01-2009, 06:15 PM
Thanks for the photos they clarify the situation nicely.
On a humorous note I had the same problem of water in the rear footwell
on investigation it turned out that the dogs water bottle was leaking putting3pints into the footwel l:D:D
at least it was a simple wet vac job.:o
blue metal
screamer
23-01-2009, 06:23 PM
Hi Steve
Thanks for the very useful photos.
I think I may have to do this job soon, my car is an 04 but I assume it's more or less the same, were there any difficulties getting at the filter housing?
Apart from removing the wiper arms how is the windscreen trim removed, is that a bead of adhesive along the bottom of the screen?
Can the job be done without removing the trim?
On a slightly different matter there is a mention earlier in this thread of a service bulletin TSB 51B8, does anyone know if this relates only to the plenum drains or does it also deal with the filter housing problem.
Are the 2 problems separate issues or are they connected?
Cheers
fozzie
23-01-2009, 07:41 PM
No more details at the mo, i will attempt to contact the dealer tomorrow and find out. Failing that my car is booked in on the 4th, "free of charge" they said and i will dig a little deeper.
Fozzie.
richard@thebrae
23-01-2009, 09:13 PM
Great Photos, but you have missed the real culprit.,rotted away is another seal which is fitted to the Pollen Filter casing on the underside (there is a shallow recess for it).
This is the water seal, not the foam transition seal you see in your pics. which only acts as an air guide from the filter to the induction trunking.
This other seal is a closed cell foam seal which is not fit for purpose, and the dealers do not refit this seal any more, they use a mastic type seal which they keep on a roll and will normally give it to you. (but some may charge)
The scuttle which forms the seal to the windscreen and deflects the water from the pollen filter is only £12 and I recommend you buy it before starting the job. Remove it from the outer edges after taking off the two clips down by the battery (one in the middle and one near the ecu).
Refit it from the middle outwards with the aid of some washing up liquid and do not use any thing to tap it on unless you want to buy a new windscreen.
gbdxo
23-01-2009, 10:17 PM
The other 'rubbery' seal I washed, dried and fitted back on th housing with a thick bead of silicon grease as mentioned. If this fails I will try the other type of seal. The 'old,' did last 10 years. It was only the build up of silt in the windscreen corners at the rear of the housing that found its weak spot.
The scuttle did prove to be a pain. But start from one end and pull it 'out of the car' towards you. To put it back proved just as difficult. I cleaned all the muck out with a screw driver and I did use gentle taps with a rubber mallet. I'll leave the last bit to your judgement!
Steve.
:biglaugh:
richard@thebrae
24-01-2009, 10:54 AM
Hi do you have pics of the"rubbery" seal and underside of the pollen filter box, if so could you post them also, this would complete an excellent "How To". Thanks Richard
gbdxo
24-01-2009, 06:55 PM
No pictures of the underside with the seal on as yet. If it leaks tonight I will srtip it down again and try again. Then I will take photos and then apply more sealant.
I think I have cured the waterfall but I may sill have a weep.
steve
I too have had water in the passenger side footwells and yesterday replaced the Pollen Filter Housing Seal with the recommended putty/plastic sealing and unblocked the drains holes in the plenum chamber to release about 2 ins of water.
At the moment there does not appear to be any problems with the electrics. The carpets are still damp and I will probably inspect the ECU and wiring underneath in due course as I think the plastic trims will be very brittle in this current cold weather.
My main concerns are the potential (and expensive) problems that the water infiltration can cause (I see that there is a proposed lawsuit in the US: http://www.volkswagen-classaction.com/ ). I managed to find a copy of the VW Information Update 443/06 to Dealerships covering the Pollen Filter Seal and would be very interested to see a copy of the service bulletin TSB 51B8 for the plenum chamber drains.
Steve - I had great problems removing the wiper arms (in fact I only managed one). Is the wiper arm pulling tool a VW part or something you can get at Halfords?
Thanks
Ken
martin1810
01-02-2009, 02:45 PM
You can get a wiper arm puller from any good motor factor. If you really can't find one I can sell you one but really you are better trying locally. You need to spend at least £10.00. If you buy too cheap it won't work.
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